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| delinquentme | Carl -- You and 4 Friends are Invited to the Heroes of the Storm Closed Beta! | 02:15 |
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| yoleaux | 26 Mar 2015 05:06Z <kanzure> delinquentme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjRUee5S44w | 02:15 |
| yoleaux | 27 Mar 2015 01:57Z <kanzure> delinquentme: nevermind | 02:15 |
| delinquentme | kek. | 02:15 |
| delinquentme | kanzure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxov0BQ2fpE | 02:15 |
| delinquentme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MzhpZ5tVQU | 02:15 |
| delinquentme | this is good though | 02:15 |
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| kanzure | 00:27 [freenode] DCC aborted receiving file STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0A سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ from MegaDork | 06:41 |
| kanzure | MegaDork :( | 06:41 |
| kanzure | i was hoping he was a real user | 06:41 |
| kanzure | had good nick | 06:41 |
| archels | .tr سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ from Me | 06:59 |
| yoleaux | archels: Sorry, that command (.tr) crashed. | 06:59 |
| kanzure | bloop | 07:07 |
| kanzure | "Also, it turns out senators have a hard time differentiating the APA (American Psychiatric Association, fighting tooth and claw against psychologist prescribers) from the APA (American Psychological Association, fighting tooth and claw for psychologist prescribers) and they end up freaking out and trying to figure out why the same people are lobbying for both sides and whether this is some kind of weird shrink mind game thing." | 07:17 |
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| kanzure | "In regards of a suitable system, I was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymnaea_stagnalis which is easy to culture, has big neurons and a well-defined, compact 20 kNeuron central ring ganglia (the scale bar is 1 mm) which is reasonably easy to prep: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Lymnaea_stagnalis_central_ring_ganglia.jpg " | 10:08 |
| kanzure | what happened to that dude that was trying to grow a potato in his stomach | 10:13 |
| chris_99 | lol | 10:15 |
| chris_99 | seriously | 10:15 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: some irish dude? | 10:42 |
| kanzure | i dunno | 10:43 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787, i did the calibration thing and now have SG graphs https://www.anfractuosity.com/projects/zymeter-simple/ theres a big bump which can only be due to yeasty foam i believe | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | kanzure:nmz heath | 11:26 |
| kanzure | hm? | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | when you modify an object.... mutate it without redefining a new object | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | that is referred to as what | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | " in place " | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | ? | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | mutation ? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | immutability/mutability is a property of some types in some type systems | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | http://pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/dev/generated/pandas.DataFrame.drop.html | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | this is whats making me ask | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | dataframe.drop('RP1Imp', 1, inplace=True) | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | vrs | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | dataframe = dataframe.drop('RP1Imp', 1) | 11:28 |
| kanzure | another related term you may be interested in is "idempotency" | 11:28 |
| delinquentme | yeah i know about that | 11:28 |
| kanzure | "A function with side effects is said to be idempotent under sequential composition (f; f) if, when called with the same argument twice, the second call returns the same value and has no side effects which can distinguish it from the first call." | 11:28 |
| kanzure | inplace=True there is more about mutability in python i suppose | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | yeap. if function is idempotent, you can call it multiple times and the output object remains static | 11:29 |
| kanzure | some of the standard library functions in python are immutable, so all of their methods return new instances or whatever | 11:29 |
| kanzure | whoops i mean some of the standard library types | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | yeah but you're not answering my question. | 11:30 |
| delinquentme | redefinition of an object by equation ... vrs mutation in place, without equation/re equating that object | 11:31 |
| kanzure | usually the reasons why i choose in-place modification is related to "well copying this entire object would require way too much memory" | 11:32 |
| kanzure | although sometimes i may still return "self" anyway because i like to pretend i am good at method chaining | 11:32 |
| kanzure | maybe the word you are looking for is side-effect-free | 11:33 |
| delinquentme | sure and human defined object creation / destruction vrs consigning to GC | 11:34 |
| kanzure | that's quite verbose. | 11:34 |
| delinquentme | loquacious even | 11:38 |
| kanzure | let's not get carried away | 11:39 |
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| delinquentme | Ok so #pydata is being useless ... and #pandas isn't really a channel. SO! I've got 2 dataframes which id like to merge . I Need to get them aligned by timestamp. What is the most efficient way to do this ? | 12:06 |
| kanzure | is there a merge function? | 12:08 |
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| delinquentme | KANZURAGI | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | WHEN HANGOUT | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | OH WAIT. KINDA R | 12:52 |
| delinquentme | HA | 12:52 |
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| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inonotus_obliquus#Medicinal_use | 13:33 |
| kanzure | .wik | 13:33 |
| yoleaux | Search for an article on Wikipedia | 13:33 |
| kanzure | bah | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: ahh, so maybe you need some agitator to de-bubble it... then let it sit a few minutes, then sample... or maybe you want to sample right after turning off the agitator (if the yeast froth it fast enough to start affecting the gravity) | 13:36 |
| chris_99 | yeah that could work, i think i'm gonna play with ultrasound now though | 13:36 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: would that be sensing from the bottom of the tank then, to avoid the foam? or would the foam be so much less dense that it wouldn't interfere with the signal? or is this ultrasound to break up the foam/de-bubble? | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | yeah at the bottom | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | the foam is all on the top | 13:47 |
| nmz787 | so that's just a normal robot-type ultrasound distance sensor then? | 13:48 |
| chris_99 | nah | 13:48 |
| chris_99 | it's a 2MHz one, and i'm gonna sample the output with a 100MHz ADC | 13:48 |
| chris_99 | and do processing with an FPGA | 13:49 |
| fenn | *cough* overkill *cough* | 13:52 |
| chris_99 | heh | 13:53 |
| kanzure | overkill? i knew that guy once. | 13:53 |
| archels | chris_99: saw on your site that you built a cloud chamber---cool stuff. | 13:54 |
| archels | I want to build one with a friend as well, any tips? | 13:54 |
| chris_99 | that didn't work properly for me alas, the peltier didn't seem to get the chamber cool enough | 13:55 |
| chris_99 | i bought a 400W one to try, but haven't got round to it yet | 13:55 |
| chris_99 | if you try that approach, it turns out server PSUs output ~50A so you can use those for it | 13:56 |
| chris_99 | and they're dirt cheap on ebay | 13:56 |
| chris_99 | like £17 | 13:56 |
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| nmz787 | the PSU or the peltier? | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | PSU or TEC? | 13:59 |
| chris_99 | the PSU | 13:59 |
| chris_99 | http://www.tjinguytech.com/my-projects/HP47A | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | thats the type of PSU | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | i got | 14:02 |
| archels | yeah, I have a couple of old ATX supplies | 14:15 |
| archels | I read about stacking Peltiers | 14:15 |
| archels | apparently you have to get different power grades and arrange them in a certain way to get the largest temperature differential | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | they won't give you a high amperage though | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | i've used them myself and had issues with them getting far too hot | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | (the cables) | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | yeah i think my setup was stacked iirc | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | it's hard to see but i'm pretty sure there are 2 red wires | 14:17 |
| archels | oh, I think I have some that'll do 20A, possibly 2 * 20A at 12V | 14:19 |
| archels | otherwise modern ATX supplies will do 4 * 20A for around €100 | 14:19 |
| archels | that's about a kilowatt, should get us some place :) | 14:19 |
| chris_99 | the thing is, when they say they can do 1KW i think it's actually across all voltages, so i don't think it can really put out 1kW at a single voltage | 14:21 |
| chris_99 | whereas these server PSUs can output 50A via one cable | 14:21 |
| chris_99 | i'm sure i tried a 400W peltier with an ATX psu and it just turned off | 14:22 |
| archels | 400W, that's pretty brutal | 14:23 |
| chris_99 | mmm heh | 14:23 |
| archels | any ballpark figures for how much Peltier power you need to maintain a certain temperature differential? | 14:23 |
| archels | if you're doing a cloud chamber in 25°C ambient, you need to maintain roughly 60°C difference | 14:24 |
| chris_99 | not off the top of my head sorry, you've got to use a really beefy fan too, to chill it too | 14:24 |
| chris_99 | semi related - https://www.anfractuosity.com/projects/peltier-fermentation-control/ that has 4 peltiers, but if you look at the graph the peltiers aren't cooling at all really, which i think is due to the fan being crap heh | 14:25 |
| chris_99 | maybe a metal container would help also? | 14:28 |
| chris_99 | instead of a plastic tub | 14:28 |
| archels | hehe yeah, that fan is pitiful | 14:34 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 14:35 |
| chris_99 | i took appart a hairdryer one which i need to use | 14:35 |
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| archels | came across a bunch of water cooling setups too | 14:41 |
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| kanzure | 14:15 <+nsh> i can't wait until my roboplasty | 14:55 |
| kanzure | 14:15 <+nsh> i've been a 90 foot call solid gold robot trapped in the body of a boy for 30 years | 14:55 |
| kanzure | 14:15 <+nsh> and it's about damn time society did something about it | 14:55 |
| kanzure | 14:15 <+nsh> *foot tall | 14:55 |
| kanzure | 14:15 <+grr> are your emoglands secreting emotions again? | 14:55 |
| archels | chris_99: just ordered some gear from DealExtreme ^_^ | 14:56 |
| chris_99 | heh, whatcha order? | 14:57 |
| archels | some Peltiers, CPU cooler, temp sensor and PWM controllers | 14:59 |
| archels | ordered 360W of Peltiers in total | 15:00 |
| archels | we'll see how far we get | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | neat :) | 15:01 |
| ParahSailin | i think theres something called a heat engine that can also do temperature differences | 15:08 |
| archels | a Stirling engine? | 15:14 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: do you know how to use the Rthja value in the datasheet for that peltier motor-driver chip? it says 35K/W... but I'm not sure how to determine at a given voltage and the max of 43A, how big of a heatsink and how much airflow you'd need on average | 16:26 |
| chris_99 | nah i don't sorry, i just bought the module that had a heatsink on | 16:27 |
| nmz787 | obv your supply might not emit 43A... but in general I can't tell how much cooling you'd need on the driver board for e.g. 400W of load (peltier) | 16:27 |
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| kanzure | security stuff https://exploit-exercises.com/ | 22:17 |
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| nmz787 | this is pretty exciting http://hackaday.com/2015/03/28/arduino-ide-support-for-the-esp8266/ | 22:50 |
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