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| archels | .title http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/technology/computer-scientists-are-astir-after-baidu-team-is-barred-from-ai-competition.html?_r=1 | 03:10 |
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| archels | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4tYEZvh90 | 04:46 |
| yoleaux | Guy on NYC subway passes the time with virtual reality - YouTube | 04:46 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-net-simul/blob/4cedd14ab7a816b158e1f51e062df70537ba7c4c/simul.cpp | 10:23 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, python: difference between fork, query, process, thread | 10:26 |
| kanzure | no | 10:28 |
| Adlai | delinquentme: python's thread vs process difference is basically the same as that of operating systems | 11:14 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: i've a question for you related to what i was talking about yesterday re:plugins/drivers for skdb to interface with 3d printers/cnc mills/external hardware | 11:18 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: what do you think would be the best approach? all drivers written in python or written in whatever, shipped as exes, executed as a subprocess by skdb and they communicate through an HTTP server or by writing to stdin/reading from stdout | 11:19 |
| eudoxia | that is, should drivers be written in the same language as skdb and loaded into it or be separate executables that communicate through some standard interface | 11:20 |
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| maaku | eudoxia: skdb should be a common intermediate format, like LLVM or CLR | 11:26 |
| eudoxia | maaku: yes, i agree. the thing is, you're gonna need some way go from an instruction in a YAML file to actually pushing parts in a CNC mill | 11:27 |
| eudoxia | that's what drivers would be for. a new 3d printer comes out and someone writes a driver for it, so the general '3d-print this STL file' command can be executed with that new printer | 11:28 |
| maaku | ugggh please not YAML files | 11:28 |
| eudoxia | why | 11:29 |
| kanzure | yaml is not for writing software | 11:29 |
| kanzure | i am also strongly opposed to monolithic projects such as skdb | 11:29 |
| kanzure | i don't think that machine interfacing is of particular concern | 11:29 |
| maaku | but anyway, the 'driver' can be whatever. it's not part of the stack | 11:29 |
| maaku | what you are describing is e.g. the thing which runs JVM programs | 11:29 |
| maaku | which needn't be specified. | 11:30 |
| maaku | agree on the semantics of the JVM, and then a JVM can be whatever -- interpreted, JIT, cross compiled, whatever | 11:30 |
| kanzure | the hardest part is the representation of data or knowledge, and then convincing people to type that up in a way that is computationally meaningful | 11:30 |
| kanzure | and in a useful way | 11:31 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: one way to create incentives for people to write skdb packages would be to tell them that once they're done they can be trivially sent off to CNC mills/3d printers/laser cutters | 11:32 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: also, instead of manually typing up a YAML file, a web interface that then writes the file would be better | 11:35 |
| kanzure | i would rather there be natural or systemic incentives, not things that i have to subsidize out of my own pocket | 11:36 |
| eudoxia | eh, you can start with something basic and hope The Community will work on the rest | 11:37 |
| maaku | eudoxia: famous words of every open source project that died | 11:37 |
| maaku | there might be room for a transcriptic-of-manufacturing though | 11:38 |
| kanzure | maaku: pm | 11:38 |
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| maaku | eudoxia: it would be a potential business idea to have an automated manufacturing floor that takes an skdb design, builds it, and fedex ships or courier delivers the manufactured product | 11:59 |
| maaku | lets companies outsource machine shop prototyping work | 11:59 |
| kanzure | emachineshop wsa doing that for a while | 12:00 |
| eudoxia | maaku: yes, though it would be simpler to do something like sell CNC/3d printer/laser cutter time | 12:00 |
| maaku | eudoxia: that's essentially what you're doing, no? | 12:03 |
| eudoxia | maaku: well, the difference is you wouldn't need to write, finish, publish, and grow the community of skdb before starting that business | 12:03 |
| eudoxia | you just expose an API that lets people post orders with g-code or STL files | 12:04 |
| maaku | eudoxia: imho that is absolutely how skdb should start | 12:04 |
| maaku | you've described a feature of this proposal ;) | 12:04 |
| eudoxia | anyone who implements that is required by law to give me a cut and/or a link to my linkedin profile | 12:05 |
| eudoxia | some law, somewhere, probably | 12:05 |
| maaku | you then start generalizing on top, making an intermediate language that is translated into g-code that also happens to take care of machine differences in the translation step | 12:06 |
| maaku | kanzure: btw if you do make any headway on elon musk, can you please find out why he hasn't donated to SENS? | 12:10 |
| kanzure | he probably got burned on halcyon molecular | 12:11 |
| kanzure | wait is this mailing list moderated | 12:13 |
| kanzure | or is it just eating my email >:( | 12:13 |
| kanzure | ah there we go | 12:14 |
| maaku | which one? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08183.html | 12:14 |
| maaku | bitcoin-development can be pretty slow | 12:14 |
| kanzure | right, right... it's sourceforge, after all. | 12:16 |
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| kanzure_ | http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/being-sneaky-in-c | 13:15 |
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| kanzure_ | so was nanodot supposed to be a slashdot spoof or what's the story there | 13:30 |
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| kanzure_ | .title http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=6583 | 13:32 |
| yoleaux | the Foresight Institute » Blog Archive » Conference video: Multi-Million Atom Simulations for Single Atom Transistor Structures | 13:32 |
| kanzure_ | lots of video content here, | 13:34 |
| kanzure_ | .title https://nanohub.org/courses/IMSB | 13:34 |
| yoleaux | nanoHUB.org - Courses: nanoHUB-U: Introduction to the Materials Science of Rechargeable Batteries | 13:34 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.ijcep.com/707005A.html | 13:43 |
| yoleaux | International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Pathology | 13:43 |
| kanzure | "Stability and Autolysis of Cortical Neurons in Post-Mortem Adult Rat Brains" | 13:43 |
| kanzure | "Algorithmic Estimation of Cortical Autolysis in Post-Mortem Adult Rat Brains: Summary" http://alcor.org/Library/pdfs/Algorithmic_Estimation_of_Cortical_Autolysis.pdf | 13:44 |
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| kanzure | http://engineering.monsanto.com/2015/06/12/etcd-clustering/ | 14:23 |
| kanzure | (although i use consul more than i use etcd) | 14:23 |
| kanzure | http://2015.igem.org/AlumniGEM/Mentorship | 14:31 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfYf_rPWUdY | 16:53 |
| yoleaux | mRNA Translation (Advanced) - YouTube | 16:53 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeTQLNFTgU | 17:02 |
| yoleaux | Inner Life of a Cell | Protein Packing - YouTube | 17:02 |
| kanzure | hmph | 17:06 |
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| delinquentme | theres some quote about doing good onto others + 20 % extra to account for cognitive bias ... anyone know what the actual quote is ? | 19:11 |
| delinquentme | Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error. | 19:13 |
| delinquentme | – Linus Pauling | 19:13 |
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| andytoshi | kanzure: that one is much better at showing motor proteins than the older ones | 19:58 |
| andytoshi | "much better" meaning "more jittery" :P | 19:58 |
| andytoshi | the original is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zD3NxSsD8 .. which also has a cooler soundtrack i think | 19:59 |
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| fenn | those cells look so empty :( | 20:09 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=45769876 Bryan Bishop: transcript: adam3us and gmaxwell >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-sidechains-unchained-epicenter-adam3us-gmaxwell/ | 22:17 |
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| kanzure | https://medium.com/@allenpiscitello/what-is-bitcoin-s-value-proposition-b7309be442e3 | 22:53 |
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| kanzure | hmph | 23:38 |
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