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| maaku | 'i would blow up the planet for a good milkshake' lol | 01:15 |
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| pasky | kanzure: what are your thouhts about http://www.augur.net/ ? will it make sense? some people want me involved and I'm a bit torn... | 04:52 |
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| kanzure | pasky: ask maaku | 06:38 |
| kanzure | maaku: :-) | 06:38 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i think BlueLobster is mgin, they both refuse to read anything | 06:38 |
| justanotheruser | pasky: that website is terrible | 06:39 |
| justanotheruser | white on pink | 06:39 |
| justanotheruser | the incredibly low text density | 06:39 |
| cluckj | lol @ scrollback | 06:40 |
| justanotheruser | oh wait, I had to turn flash on so they could show me their neat effect where things come together as I scroll down | 06:40 |
| justanotheruser | s/flash/js/ | 06:40 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: nah, he was just trolling I think | 06:41 |
| justanotheruser | Refused to acknowledge that the definition of transhumanism allowed the benefit of living humanss | 06:42 |
| kanzure | the wikipedia article is sort of shit | 06:42 |
| kanzure | a long time ago i tried to refactor the article but my refactor was rejected | 06:43 |
| kanzure | because of the local wikipedia article owner (Loremaster) | 06:43 |
| kanzure | the problem with the wikipedia article is that it doesn't make it out to be a "personal philosophy", instead it's about large groups of _other_ humans | 06:44 |
| kanzure | in the james hughes "social democratic transhumanism" sense, which is a clusterfuck disaster | 06:44 |
| kanzure | to be fair, they were right to reject my refactored version of the article, although they are still wrong to have such a clearly biased definition | 06:45 |
| justanotheruser | if only definitions were preceded by namespaces | 06:48 |
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| JayDugger | How would you handle all the namespaces in a reference work? | 06:49 |
| justanotheruser | very carefully | 06:49 |
| JayDugger | Fair enough. :) | 06:49 |
| justanotheruser | not a serious suggestion, too many different definitions to keep track of | 06:50 |
| JayDugger | Thought so, but asking you made a welcome distraction from housework. | 06:51 |
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| delinquentme | BlueLobster, I like your talking head appeal | 07:17 |
| juri_ | much scroll. many wow. | 07:25 |
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| delinquentme | yeahh right! | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | we've got fucking che in our presence | 07:29 |
| delinquentme | juri_, I too, cant believe were blessed w such austerity | 07:29 |
| JayDugger | Shush! Back to your navel gazing. | 07:31 |
| delinquentme | JayDugger, right now its more than just gazing ! theres lint in there ! | 07:33 |
| juri_ | I've... got such a pretty navel... | 07:34 |
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| kanzure | sci-hub mirror(?) http://sci-hub.club/ | 08:02 |
| kanzure | https://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/comments/3bs1rm/meta_the_libgenscihub_thread_howtos_updates_and/ | 08:02 |
| kanzure | ah they finally know about expaper.cn | 08:07 |
| kanzure | and for some reason libgen recommends http://cyberleninka.ru/ | 08:08 |
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| cluckj | the sci-hub lawsuit makes me real nervous | 09:01 |
| cluckj | "bullshit that might get my field notes subpoenaed" | 09:02 |
| ParahSailin_ | jrayhawk: came up with an interesting "keto" soylent | 09:11 |
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| JayDugger | Oh? | 09:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | jrayhawk: 150 grams olive oil, 20 grams ultra-tex 8, 100 grams whey protein, 3 grams salt, shaken to 1 liter with water | 09:13 |
| JayDugger | Ultra-tex 8? What's that? | 09:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | fancy food starch | 09:13 |
| ParahSailin_ | its what i had around as a free sample | 09:14 |
| JayDugger | http://www.modernistpantry.com/ultra-tex-8.html, and http://www.molecularrecipes.com/hydrocolloid-guide/ultra-tex/? | 09:15 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah | 09:16 |
| ParahSailin_ | used to be able to get it from national starch as a free sample | 09:16 |
| ParahSailin_ | but that was in like 2008 | 09:16 |
| JayDugger | How many servings does that make? | 09:17 |
| ParahSailin_ | http://www.ingredion.us/applicationsingredients/Document-Library/Pages/DocumentLibrary.aspx | 09:17 |
| juri_ | a member of my hackerspace (mike chellen) is on his way to SF. he's visiting biocurious, and counterculture. | 09:17 |
| juri_ | please give him a warm welcome. and NOT a laser to the face. | 09:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | thats like 1800 kcal | 09:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | thats the free sample link btw | 09:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | the emulsion is quite stable | 09:19 |
| ParahSailin_ | can have it in the fridge overnight | 09:19 |
| ParahSailin_ | and it doesnt give you the oil shits | 09:20 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. Ha! I have, or rather had, the opposite problem when I started with a spirulina and chlorella heavy recipe. | 09:21 |
| JayDugger | Not constipation, but clogged plumbing. | 09:21 |
| ParahSailin_ | i havent eaten that exclusively, just using it to supplement meat | 09:22 |
| ParahSailin_ | spirulina too heavy in fiber? | 09:22 |
| JayDugger | No, I don't think so. Feces was just really solid, and (relatively) poorly water-soluble. | 09:23 |
| ParahSailin_ | maybe good idea to mix that green stuff with this mix then, and give it some semblance of completeness | 09:24 |
| ParahSailin_ | i just used what happened to be at trader joes on a whim | 09:24 |
| JayDugger | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+T+spirulina | 09:25 |
| JayDugger | 500 mg of fiber or so, per Wolframalpha--shit, there's a yoleaux command for that isn't there. | 09:25 |
| ParahSailin_ | i have a friend with cancer who needs some way of getting food in, so i was trying to experiment for him | 09:26 |
| ParahSailin_ | wouldnt do to give such a carb heavy mix as soylent | 09:26 |
| JayDugger | I have several other ingredients in that recipe. If you can wait 20 hours or so, I can get the whole thing from my work email account. (I entered into the summer cook-off contest. I lost.) | 09:26 |
| ParahSailin_ | cookoff? | 09:27 |
| ParahSailin_ | apparently olive oil is supposed to have some compounds that are useful against cancer? | 09:27 |
| ParahSailin_ | dude's in stage 4, doing chemo | 09:27 |
| JayDugger | Yes, a cooking contest at work. Submit a dish, taste panel, etc. | 09:27 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah i bet a soylent mix would not win a cooking contest | 09:27 |
| JayDugger | Oh, my sympathies and best wishes for a complete remission. | 09:28 |
| JayDugger | No, especially not when it has a deep dark green color. | 09:28 |
| JayDugger | My wife can't stand the smell, either. | 09:28 |
| ParahSailin_ | so the algae has an aroma? | 09:28 |
| cluckj | I can't imagine soylent + spirulina tasting very awesome | 09:29 |
| JayDugger | It's pretty mild, but spirulina and chlorella both have distinct aromas. | 09:29 |
| JayDugger | You also have to take care in mixing them. They have such small sizes (microalgae) that it's worse than confectioner's sugar. | 09:30 |
| cluckj | turn all the things green? | 09:30 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, my stock answer to the flavor question is to dodge it by listing just how nutritious it is, and then circle back to the adage "Things that taste good usually aren't good for you." | 09:31 |
| JayDugger | If that doesn't give the hint, I fall back to "I eat it because it is good for me, not for the taste. You buy gasoline for its octane, not its fragrance." | 09:32 |
| JayDugger | And yes, initially. | 09:32 |
| cluckj | lol | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | Stool changes back after about two weeks, in my case, if I don't change the amount in the meal. | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | Urine doesn't change color based on this. You can turn it bright yellow with large vitamin B doses, but I've only done that with supplements. | 09:33 |
| JayDugger | .wa "50 grams olive oil, 20 grams ultra-tex 8, 100 grams whey protein, 3 grams salt, shaken to 1 liter with water" | 09:34 |
| yoleaux | JayDugger: Sorry, no result! | 09:34 |
| JayDugger | .insult | 09:35 |
| yoleaux | you creepy douche-pilot | 09:35 |
| JayDugger | right back at you, bot. | 09:35 |
| ParahSailin_ | yeah, thats 150 grams olive oil | 09:35 |
| cluckj | bbl | 09:36 |
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| JayDugger | .wa 150 grams olive oil + 100 grams whey + 3 grams salt | 09:37 |
| yoleaux | olive oil: amount: 150 grams+whey: amount: 100 grams+salt: amount: 3 grams: Protein and amino acids: |: mean value: % daily value: range; protein: olive oil: 0 g: 0%: | whey: 805 mg: 2%: (760 to 850) mg: salt: 0 g: 0%: | total: 805 mg: 2% |; Sterols: |: mean value: % daily value: range; cholesterol: olive oil: 0 g: 0%: | whey: 1.5 mg: 1%: (1 to 2) mg: salt: 0 g: 0%: | total: 1.5 mg: 1% | | 09:37 |
| JayDugger | Well, anyway, good night, everyone. Bed time where I am. | 09:39 |
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| BlueLobster | delinquentme: thank you | 11:04 |
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| fenn | i like the taste of chlorella, it reminds me of matcha green tea and dark chocolate | 13:15 |
| cluckj | tasting/pairing notes (like wine) for nutritional algae would be a great boon to science | 13:19 |
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| fenn | culture | 13:21 |
| cluckj | I suppose that too | 13:22 |
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| jrayhawk | "09:29 < ParahSailin_> apparently olive oil is supposed to have some compounds that are useful against cancer?" phenolics are a hormetic stressor used to upregulate a bunch of antioxidant pathways like Nrf2, but ketosis would already be doing the same thing with methylglyoxal. | 13:41 |
| EnLilaSko | .g olive oil examine.com | 13:50 |
| yoleaux | http://examine.com/supplements/Olive+Oil/ | 13:50 |
| BlueLobster | hmmm | 13:51 |
| BlueLobster | green tea... and dark chocolate | 13:51 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: what do you do for your chocolate? | 13:51 |
| fenn | trader joe's 500g bar 72% cacao | 13:51 |
| BlueLobster | ever done something a bit more exciting? | 13:52 |
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| fenn | ghirardelli chips are good too but sometimes they have gotten chalky from improper storage | 13:52 |
| BlueLobster | I like your style, fuck milk chocolate | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | how's the protein synthesizer going? any advances? | 13:52 |
| fenn | i like milk chocolate too | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | :P | 13:52 |
| BlueLobster | I detest milk chocolate. | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | (I am joking) | 13:53 |
| BlueLobster | let's focus on dark chocolate | 13:53 |
| fenn | no nmz787_i we are busy navel gazing | 13:53 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: have you read the links yet? | 13:53 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: still don't know how to do gene assembly with an inkjet | 13:53 |
| kanzure | or oligo synthesis | 13:53 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: you and your fucking links | 13:53 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: what's your favourite chocolatE? | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: oranges or bellybuttons? | 13:53 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: i'd tell you, but you'd have to visit a link | 13:53 |
| BlueLobster | fine fine I'll click something | 13:54 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | xrr: yep, that was me... I think 3 years ago | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | xrr: still don't have anyone who wants to help other than with a passing comment | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | (on the non-macro-scale ideas, at least) | 13:55 |
| * fenn doesn't see anything from xrr in the scrollback... | 13:55 | |
| kanzure | it was a few days ago | 13:56 |
| kanzure | we've lost captain hindsight | 13:56 |
| fenn | why/how | 13:56 |
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| kanzure | not enough focus for his taste | 13:56 |
| nmz787_i | huh | 13:56 |
| fenn | i thought he was just doing a jobber job | 13:56 |
| nmz787_i | I wondered if that would happen | 13:56 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: I'm going to have to replicate that remotely because I don't click on links | 13:57 |
| BlueLobster | but I'll get back to you | 13:57 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: it's a git repository | 13:57 |
| kanzure | BlueLobster: https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki or git clone git://diyphl.us/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git | 13:57 |
| BlueLobster | kanzure: who is the domain registrar | 13:57 |
| BlueLobster | ok | 13:57 |
| BlueLobster | very good | 13:57 |
| BlueLobster | that will suffice | 13:57 |
| nmz787_i | BlueLobster: but that 'github' link could be a victim of bitsquatting, so best not to click that either | 13:57 |
| nmz787_i | unicdoe and whatnot | 13:58 |
| nmz787_i | unicode | 13:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: he's ready to roll but i don't have enough details for him. | 13:58 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: no longer interested in direct POSAM replication? | 13:58 |
| BlueLobster | nmz787_i: my environment is sterile | 13:58 |
| BlueLobster | it won't do anything naughty | 13:58 |
| kanzure | he'd be willing to throw together the inkjet printer, but i don't think he's willing to debug the chemistry | 13:58 |
| BlueLobster | default routes will be deleted :) | 13:59 |
| nmz787_i | what was the word from the biohacker groups? | 13:59 |
| kanzure | plus, all of the machine requirements aren't known at the moment | 13:59 |
| jrayhawk | corrected domain and shorter path: git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git | 13:59 |
| kanzure | biohacker groups would be happy to house it, but none of them expressed an understanding of how much hard work this is going to take | 13:59 |
| nmz787_i | mmm | 13:59 |
| nmz787_i | yeah | 13:59 |
| fenn | the only missing machine requirement is linker chemistry | 13:59 |
| ParahSailin_ | jrayhawk: hm i havent really been in ketosis though | 13:59 |
| nmz787_i | biohackers being bio-logists | 13:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: lcds are not dense enough to do this | 13:59 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: wasn't the linker chem also in POSAM? | 13:59 |
| fenn | i agree about biohackers being lame though | 14:00 |
| ParahSailin_ | so this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleocanthal mechanism is probably as hormetic stressor? | 14:00 |
| kanzure | lcds aren't going to move 10 picoliter droplets or whatever | 14:00 |
| fenn | what's wrong with lcd's and SCOEW | 14:00 |
| fenn | i don't care about moving 10 picoliter droplets | 14:00 |
| kanzure | what's the inkjet for then? | 14:00 |
| fenn | i mean i don't care about moving 10 picoliter droplets around with an lcd | 14:01 |
| fenn | if you are just going to combine them together anyway, just use bigger droplets | 14:01 |
| fenn | also we can do DLP projector if it comes to that | 14:01 |
| jrayhawk | huh, the LPS mitigation stuff in that article is interesting | 14:01 |
| kanzure | dlp has the same limitations | 14:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: how many drops do you want on an lcd? | 14:02 |
| fenn | lcds have more pixels and are cheaper and more compact so i'm inclined to do that instead | 14:02 |
| fenn | .g retina tablet resolution | 14:02 |
| yoleaux | http://ipv6.google.com/sorry/IndexRedirect?continue=http://www.google.com/search%3F%26q%3Dretina%2520tablet%2520resolution%26btnI%3D&q=CGMSECoBBPgCAXIwAAAAAAAIaucY-9zfrQUiGQDxp4NLHfuRj_QW2_kW7cFGJZ6RRY8FGjc | 14:02 |
| jrayhawk | But, yeah, potentially. | 14:02 |
| fenn | hm i guess .g is borked dpk | 14:02 |
| fenn | an ipad has 3 megapixels so assuming it takes 9 pixels per droplet that's 333k droplets | 14:05 |
| fenn | maximum | 14:05 |
| fenn | this is just for reference, not suggesting we actually use an ipad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display | 14:06 |
| kanzure | where is the 9 pixel assumption from? | 14:06 |
| fenn | me | 14:06 |
| kanzure | plus you need space for movement and isolation | 14:06 |
| nmz787_i | up down left right NW NE SW SE center? | 14:06 |
| kanzure | and also wasn't this the one where you don't need an inkjet? | 14:06 |
| nmz787_i | up down left right A B start | 14:07 |
| fenn | o-- | 14:07 |
| fenn | oo- | 14:07 |
| fenn | o-- | 14:07 |
| nmz787_i | .ud | 14:07 |
| yoleaux | Verb: The act of last minute screaming planning action that does not divert panic Blazin' it in the daytime. Let life go by or pass on by Talking shit over social media (twitter,Instagram) or talki | 14:07 |
| fenn | the droplet would be at the tip of the two o's | 14:07 |
| nmz787_i | .ud up down left right a b start | 14:07 |
| yoleaux | ENOTFOUND | 14:07 |
| nmz787_i | well that's def the first google hit for me | 14:08 |
| fenn | o is light and - is dark | 14:08 |
| fenn | or maybe the other way around | 14:09 |
| fenn | hrm | 14:09 |
| CaptHindsight | kanzure: still lurking, just waiting for things to get organized here | 14:11 |
| kanzure | oh | 14:11 |
| kanzure | whoops | 14:11 |
| kanzure | yea i guess i should actually check before i make up shit, huh? | 14:11 |
| fenn | "CaptHindsight> ssi: I quoted an open source design for an inkjet that included mesa hardware. The majority of complaints and hub-bub was the cost of the Mesa hardware and complexity of Linuxcnc" CaptHindsight i think you are imagining this, i don't remember anyone ever complaining about the cost of mesa boards in particular | 14:12 |
| nmz787_i | so fenn, you didn't answer when I asked about the supposed 'missing linker chemistry details'.... are these not outlined in the POSAM papers (it seemed to be to me) | 14:12 |
| CaptHindsight | fenn: it's in the logs | 14:13 |
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| fenn | juri_ was being a free software zealot about fpga programming mostly | 14:13 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: to be honest, I asked how under-resourced an ice40 FPGA would be vs the Mesa (I don't believe that was answered)... the answer I got was 'why reimplement motor drivers, and you'd lose out on the open-source CPUs/MCUs that Mesa offers' | 14:13 |
| CaptHindsight | possibly, I just ask whenever it comes up | 14:14 |
| CaptHindsight | reinvention of Linuxcnc, FPGA boards etc | 14:15 |
| nmz787_i | but that was about cost, not feasibility | 14:16 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: are there plans for things to get organized in here | 14:16 |
| kanzure | elaborate | 14:17 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: ever post that chemist-wanted to anywhere? | 14:17 |
| ParahSailin_ | those lesswrong people were big on quantified health hypothesis stuff, do they have a best answer for someone who has cancer? | 14:17 |
| ParahSailin_ | didnt one of them even have a startup about that? | 14:18 |
| fenn | ParahSailin_: that was metamed, not lesswrong specifically(?) | 14:18 |
| justanotheruser | Is there some plan to organize individuals to work along the roadmap | 14:18 |
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| jrayhawk | almost everyone at metamed was LW-associated anyway | 14:18 |
| CaptHindsight | how long were the inkjet oligos? ~100mer | 14:18 |
| justanotheruser | I don't know of better elaboration because I'm asking a very general question | 14:19 |
| justanotheruser | What is the timeline for the next 5 years | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | only interesting health thing i have seen come out of the QS movement was HRV | 14:19 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: that's because all the consumer accelerometers are bullshit and don't give you raw data | 14:19 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: no, it needs to be rewritten | 14:20 |
| BlueLobster | good evening justanotheruser | 14:20 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: you mean by paying them? | 14:20 |
| justanotheruser | or collaboratively volunteering | 14:20 |
| justanotheruser | BlueLobster: hey | 14:20 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: well that would require actual volunteers | 14:20 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.apdm.com/ i do some work for a biosensor company, as it happens | 14:20 |
| justanotheruser | true | 14:20 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i can only shame you people so much into doing work | 14:20 |
| jrayhawk | well, mechanical sensor, i suppose | 14:21 |
| justanotheruser | yes, I hope I can help when I'm done with my very important and fancy degree | 14:21 |
| kanzure | hehe | 14:21 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: also from my perspective the "movement" went from like 50 dudes having pizza and talking about nerd stuff to millions of dollars in VC hype in a matter of months, and the influx of people was like an elephant jumping into a kiddy pool (i personally felt splashed out/excluded) | 14:21 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: realistically, dna synthesis is pretty important for other stuff | 14:22 |
| CaptHindsight | nmz787: I think the confusion is over how to cleave the oligos from the tray and link that to the ones still bonded to the tray | 14:23 |
| justanotheruser | dna synthesis is the first goal then? | 14:23 |
| nmz787_i | CaptHindsight: I thought that was to be saved for a later revision... and simply cleave all-at-once to start | 14:23 |
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| nmz787_i | a million spots is pretty ridiculous anyway, unless the error rate and post-cleanup is horrible | 14:24 |
| nmz787_i | with a reasonable process, I bet a given user for something like this would be using 100 spots max | 14:24 |
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| CaptHindsight | inkjet onto an electrostatic array, bond the first base to the array using a photocleaveable link | 14:25 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: how much does apdm's opal cost? (roughly) | 14:26 |
| CaptHindsight | after you reach your 50-100mer you leave the first row bonded to the array and photcleave the next row and bond it to the first row | 14:27 |
| CaptHindsight | then photcleave the 3rd row. move it to the first row and bond, repeat | 14:27 |
| jrayhawk | i don't do sales, but i get the impression it's more than a hundred and less than a thousand, depending | 14:28 |
| fenn | APDM Opal 16 IMU $2,399.00 | 14:28 |
| fenn | from some academic paper | 14:28 |
| fenn | that's an expensive watch | 14:28 |
| jrayhawk | the real-time data streaming and sd card support are the two biggies | 14:30 |
| fenn | "the entire system, including Mobility Lab costs $20,032.00" | 14:30 |
| BlueLobster | who the fuck needs a watch | 14:30 |
| BlueLobster | phone | 14:30 |
| BlueLobster | the only watches I deal with are pocket watchs | 14:30 |
| fenn | i don't particularly care about data streaming but sd card is important | 14:30 |
| BlueLobster | beacuse that's a proper fashion piece | 14:30 |
| fenn | also the battery life is too short, 12h is not even a full day | 14:31 |
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| BlueLobster | justanotheruser: you know what's amusing | 14:31 |
| fenn | BlueLobster: it's an accelerometer worn on wrist or foot | 14:31 |
| BlueLobster | can't I put one in my pocket | 14:31 |
| CaptHindsight | http://ibin.co/w800/29eLd1TYvEx9 the danger with photo-cleaving and photo-deprotection is damage from the UV | 14:31 |
| fenn | yes but it would be a different measurement because it's measuring the movement of your pocket, not your wrist | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: why can't we just build this into my phone | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | why does it have to go on a lumb | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | limb | 14:32 |
| fenn | because measuring the movement of the limb is the whole point | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | that makes assmptinos about my gait | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | why don'tt we just use gps data to figure out how far I've travelled | 14:32 |
| fenn | i don't care about gait | 14:32 |
| BlueLobster | yes but "steps" are rather different for different peopl | 14:33 |
| BlueLobster | are we sure "steps" are the right increment | 14:33 |
| BlueLobster | what if I walk with my hands in my pockets | 14:33 |
| fenn | i want to do correlation between movement and other data sources in order to draw inferences about hidden variables | 14:33 |
| BlueLobster | there are many assumptions made in this aggregaton that likely do not result in reliable data | 14:33 |
| BlueLobster | I hate unreliable data | 14:33 |
| fenn | yes i agree "steps" is a terrible downsampling of the data and i hate all the consumer accelerometer companies because of this | 14:34 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: that's nice. Why is something on your wrist the best way to quantify movement? | 14:34 |
| fenn | because we do things with our hands? it may not be the best way | 14:34 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: I suppose the only reason we don't use constant gps polling is that it's battery expensive on most phone apps? | 14:34 |
| BlueLobster | that can be fixed | 14:34 |
| fenn | what does gps have to do with body movement? | 14:35 |
| BlueLobster | if I'm doing vertical pushups | 14:35 |
| jrayhawk | why accumulate data if most data is useless | 14:35 |
| BlueLobster | is my ankle tracking thing | 14:35 |
| jrayhawk | welp, i am convinced | 14:35 |
| BlueLobster | going to tell? | 14:35 |
| jrayhawk | time to throw out all my backups | 14:35 |
| fenn | yes an ankle accelerometer can determine if you are doing pushups or not | 14:35 |
| fenn | i don't know what a "vertical pushup" is | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk | handstand pushup, maybe | 14:36 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: do a handstand | 14:36 |
| BlueLobster | you'll figure it out | 14:36 |
| fenn | i don't think i can do a handstand pushup | 14:36 |
| BlueLobster | new goal in life | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | i usually have to kip them | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | some days i can manage | 14:37 |
| BlueLobster | fenn: the key is really more your core strength than your upper body | 14:37 |
| jrayhawk | uhhhh | 14:38 |
| BlueLobster | jrayhawk: keeping the legs upright is a lot more challenging than moving the weight | 14:38 |
| jrayhawk | there's a tradeoff between prioprioception and strength, there, yeah, but that's optional if you use e.g. a wall to stabilize yourself | 14:40 |
| fenn | .title http://youtu.be/mv04IgDWAF4 | 14:40 |
| yoleaux | Starship Troopers - disable hand - YouTube | 14:40 |
| jrayhawk | even tiny ladies can do handstands, though | 14:40 |
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| jrayhawk | which is to say if you have good proprioception you need almost no strength | 14:42 |
| CaptHindsight | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation contactless synthesis | 14:51 |
| kanzure | interference causes mixing | 14:52 |
| CaptHindsight | looks whizz-bang to get more funding | 14:53 |
| CaptHindsight | someone wanted to do this last year, now I see why | 14:54 |
| CaptHindsight | http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/9/1/57/figure/F1 I didn't see any specs on the energy required to deprotect | 14:57 |
| CaptHindsight | if the UV required is too close to what causes damage this wasn't a good plan | 14:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: so would SCOEW stuff get done though? | 14:58 |
| CaptHindsight | "conventional solid-phase synthesis of oligonucleotides, which has reached stepwise coupling efficiencies of ~99% over several decades of optimization" | 14:59 |
| fenn | i don't know, SCOEW is a research project in itself | 15:00 |
| kanzure | research needs to be minimized lots | 15:00 |
| kanzure | electrowetting on electrodes seems less researchy | 15:00 |
| fenn | unfortunately i don't see a way around it except to reduce the number of oligos by orders of magnitude | 15:00 |
| kanzure | well, do we have any uses for 1 oligo? | 15:00 |
| fenn | well both of those have low TRL | 15:00 |
| fenn | can use the abi 391 to do 1 oligo | 15:01 |
| fenn | it would be nice for pcr primers etc | 15:01 |
| kanzure | we haven't consumed any pcr primers ever | 15:02 |
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| fenn | hence why i'm not enthusiastic about dna synthesis | 15:02 |
| CaptHindsight | "the microarray are deprotected with light (12 J/cm2, to reach almost complete photodeprotection)" | 15:03 |
| fenn | light deprotection is much lower completion than other chemistries | 15:03 |
| CaptHindsight | so not exactly the most sensitive UV activated deprotector | 15:03 |
| CaptHindsight | fenn: http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/9/1/57/ | 15:04 |
| CaptHindsight | Efficiency, error and yield in light-directed maskless synthesis of DNA microarrays | 15:05 |
| fenn | huh this is not what i had heard previously, "Coupling Insertions due to stray light are the limiting factor in sequence quality for oligonucleotide synthesis for gene assembly." | 15:06 |
| CaptHindsight | I really see why t12 mentioned how they spent most of their research on optimizing QC | 15:18 |
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| kanzure | and assembly | 15:20 |
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| dpk | fenn: yeah, it's been doing that a lot recently | 15:48 |
| dpk | it's flipping annoying but there's not much i can do | 15:48 |
| kanzure | perhaps the bot needs a new home? | 15:48 |
| dpk | i've even asked Google employees for whitelisting | 15:48 |
| fenn | google didnt like my captcha answers either | 15:49 |
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| kanzure | beep | 18:16 |
| * juri_ beeps. | 18:28 | |
| mgin | hey | 18:32 |
| mgin | so | 18:32 |
| mgin | anyone want to share their strategy for living forever | 18:32 |
| kanzure | what was your previous objections to http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration things (like cryoresuscitation)? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | *were | 18:34 |
| mgin | that's not a strategy | 18:34 |
| mgin | i don't think you ever claimed that it was | 18:34 |
| kanzure | how is it not a strategy? | 18:37 |
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| mgin | it's just a list. do you think it's a strategy? like i said i never heard you claim that it was | 18:37 |
| kanzure | and messages are just lists of words, so what? | 18:38 |
| mgin | anyone else? :P | 18:42 |
| mgin | :( | 18:46 |
| mgin | life is the most beautiful thing there is | 18:46 |
| mgin | idk why more people aren't obsessed with living forever | 18:47 |
| superkuh | Probably because it's not feasible. | 19:05 |
| mgin | it is feasible | 19:06 |
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| kanzure | mgin: there's no way to guarantee living forever, but guarantees aren't necessary to do so | 19:13 |
| kanzure | wait yes they are, nevermind | 19:13 |
| kanzure | (re: shorthand) "In yielding to this necessity. I did so with the thought that, when the system had demonstrated its superiority for commercial work and reporting, its value would be more readily recognized as a time- and labor-saving accomplishment. Through all the subsequent years, absorbed and enmeshed as I have been with the details of a constantly expanding movement and organization, I have looked forward to the time when it would ... | 19:13 |
| kanzure | ... be possible to return to my original purpose by inaugurating a campaign for the use of shorthand by everybody who had much writing to do. It has been a source of profound regret to me that time after time the pressure of other things has resulted in the postponement of such a campaign. It will come some day! The ever-increasing pressure of the times will render it inevitable.” | 19:13 |
| kanzure | and instead we just have text expanding to fill vacuums | 19:14 |
| mgin | what's that from? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | plover mailing list | 19:17 |
| mgin | anyway i obviously never said anything about guarantees | 19:17 |
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| kanzure | lsparrish: greetings | 21:49 |
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| justanotheruser | BlueLobster: what | 22:26 |
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| xrr | nmz787: I was also playing with the photoisomerization idea some time ago. But didn't get far. What molecule would you use for the light sensitive part? Ideally it should be something easily switched between two isomers via light. At first I was thinking about retinol. In the eyes, a photon flips 11-cis retinol to all-trans. But then eyes use LRAT and RPE65 to get it to 11-cis again, which is complicated. | 22:57 |
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| lsparrish | hi kanzure | 23:30 |
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