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| kanzure | don't everyone die at once | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | cool i got keynote | 06:02 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, again. | 06:03 |
| kanzure | might have to make my talk actually good if i'm going first... | 06:04 |
| JayDugger | Good idea. Why make it easy for the second act? | 06:06 |
| kanzure | agreed, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v2.pdf | 06:07 |
| kanzure | er, updated: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v3.pdf | 06:08 |
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| JayDugger | Will you use that PDF as notes for next week's talk, or as slides for it? | 06:32 |
| kanzure | slides | 06:33 |
| JayDugger | Okay, pm stands. | 06:33 |
| JayDugger | Also, replace ugly small type link on "Maximum Scale" slide with legible text of just title and author. | 06:34 |
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| JayDugger | Audience can see and read a title, but the cheap seats won't have any idea what to search for later. | 06:34 |
| JayDugger | Ha! Systemantics. Haven't seen that in a whiel | 06:35 |
| kanzure | yes i expect them to have access to my pdf after my talk, or even before | 06:35 |
| kanzure | (the physical file) | 06:35 |
| JayDugger | Then just make the raw URL look a little nicer. Back-row legibility won't matter. | 06:36 |
| JayDugger | Same for the link on "Scaling What?" Bigger font makes it easier to click. | 06:38 |
| JayDugger | The draft has no material on the slides "Merkle trees," "Merkle mountain ranges," "Merklized abstract syntax trees." | 06:39 |
| kanzure | there are many blank slides at the moment | 06:39 |
| JayDugger | I'll shut up about them, then. Did you spell "Merklized" correctly? I don't know because I've never seen that phrase until now. | 06:40 |
| JayDugger | The footer link on "Simplified Payment Verification (SPV)" is easy to read and to click. | 06:41 |
| kanzure | there's both "merkleized" and "merklized" floating around in the community, bitcoiners suck at spelling | 06:42 |
| JayDugger | Another good-sized URL is the one on "MAX-BLOCK_SIZE proposals" | 06:42 |
| JayDugger | The slide "Funding (F)" diagram after "Lightning Network" lacks a title, and the diagram has a bar to its right and below it. That looks like a bad crop. | 06:43 |
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| JayDugger | Move all the URLs to the bottom of the slide, but use a consistent style to size and place them. | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | UTXO appears without first being defined. Probably not a problem for the audience, but you know best on that point. | 06:46 |
| JayDugger | Do you want the slides "Fraud proofs" and "Fraud proofs (links)" separated by the slide "Proof-of-Treachery"? | 06:50 |
| JayDugger | Correctly spell succinct, not "Succint" on "Likely ingredients...." Also an ellipsis has three dots, not four. | 06:52 |
| JayDugger | On "Useful principles" why did you switch from an unordered list to a block set off by """ | 06:54 |
| JayDugger | Thank you for letting take a look at the slides. | 06:55 |
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| kanzure | blockquote was because it was quote and not list of separate statements | 07:06 |
| kanzure | about "glaucus project" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34139309 (underwater habitat on a shoestring budget?) | 07:07 |
| JayDugger | Got it. That's unclear from the slide itself. | 07:07 |
| kanzure | thanks for the review | 07:11 |
| JayDugger | You're welcome. I'll pass on living underwater just yet. | 07:12 |
| kanzure | surfacedweller | 07:13 |
| JayDugger | More like ex-Navy, and still not ready to go back to sea. | 07:18 |
| JayDugger | I'd happily live underground, especially during summer. | 07:19 |
| kanzure | do you have something against living under 10 meters of extremely dense matter? | 07:51 |
| JayDugger | Nothing at all, just don't want to be reminded of a bunch of memories so boring that I consciously decided to replace them with "This was really boring for a long period." | 07:55 |
| kanzure | "yeah but it builds character" | 07:56 |
| JayDugger | Yes, it did. Note past tense. | 07:57 |
| kanzure | i always thought the character building was during basic training | 07:57 |
| kanzure | not cooridor staring contests | 07:58 |
| JayDugger | Eh, that too, but basic's sufficiently well known that it brought no surprises (aside from getting sick, learning tear gas makes a great decongestant, and meeting strange people from other parts of the nation). Out at sea, well, that was just different enough to have lots of surprises. Relevant here: the open ocean is boring. | 08:00 |
| kanzure | i think my brain would rot. 8 hour shifts of cooridor watching? | 08:01 |
| JayDugger | Yup. Watch standing was about the worst part of the military. | 08:03 |
| kanzure | oops i mean corridor | 08:03 |
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| fenn | indescriminate->indiscriminate | 08:15 |
| fenn | slide 7 | 08:15 |
| JayDugger | Good catch, fenn. Can't believe I missed that in big bold letters. | 08:16 |
| kanzure | ouch | 08:17 |
| fenn | slide 37 the text under libsnark is really small, maybe move it to the line "snark: a proof that code was faithfully executed, without self-executing" | 08:23 |
| fenn | or use same font size as "revocable delivery..." | 08:24 |
| fenn | also include link for slides on last page so people can get the links from it | 08:24 |
| JayDugger | Duh. Another good one from fenn. | 08:25 |
| kanzure | there's too much snark content to fit into one slide; i need to split it up better. | 08:25 |
| fenn | i bet the glaucus wreck will long outlast the virtual tour app | 08:35 |
| fenn | apple changes its API every 2 years in a backwards incompatible way... | 08:35 |
| fenn | i was reading about underwater welding and what it takes to be one, sounds like fun and really difficult | 08:36 |
| fenn | to be a welder | 08:36 |
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| JayDugger | Remember you also get to dive in all sorts of unpleasant water, such as sipyards. | 08:44 |
| JayDugger | shipyards, rather. | 08:44 |
| fenn | yeah radioactive plumes, toxic waste, fecal contaminated water, electricity everywhere, explosive gas mixtures, and all the usual hazards of saturation diving | 08:49 |
| JayDugger | Sums up Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyards pretty well. | 08:51 |
| fenn | it was the extreme physical exertion that sounded like the hard part. apparently most people quit after 5 years because they can't physically take it | 08:53 |
| fenn | cold water and constant movement just to keep in place | 08:53 |
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| kanzure | more drafting.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-001.pdf | 11:00 |
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| c0rw1n | "Upload everyone's brain into cloud, analytically simulate all economic activity, problem solved. (ask Ralph Merkle!)" <- might be easier than to get a consensus from the bitcoin cat herd? | 11:02 |
| kanzure | entirely possible. | 11:05 |
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| chris_99 | has anyone ever played with Acousto-optic modulator lasers out of interest | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | to use possibly for some kind of display | 12:18 |
| chris_99 | instead of a mirror galvanometer | 12:18 |
| fenn | were you talking to ganzuul? | 12:22 |
| chris_99 | me? | 12:23 |
| fenn | yes | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | oh, i was talking to anyone | 12:23 |
| fenn | i mean yesterday ganzuul and i were talking about this in #linuxcnc | 12:23 |
| fenn | well, yesterday for me | 12:23 |
| chris_99 | oh yeah, that's why i mention, i saw someone mentioned AOM there | 12:24 |
| chris_99 | i found an MIT paper | 12:24 |
| chris_99 | on a display using them | 12:24 |
| fenn | anyway i've never actually seen one much less used one | 12:25 |
| chris_99 | it looks like they're not exactly cheap | 12:25 |
| fenn | this place has some cool toys http://www.electro-optical.com/ | 12:25 |
| chris_99 | going by ones i founbd on fleabay | 12:25 |
| chris_99 | cool | 12:26 |
| chris_99 | i'll have a browse | 12:26 |
| fenn | wait that's the wrong site i think | 12:26 |
| fenn | damn there are a bunch of these places | 12:27 |
| fenn | http://www.eopc.com/ | 12:27 |
| chris_99 | cheers | 12:28 |
| fenn | nevermind it's probably in some tab somewhere in a browser i can't open | 12:30 |
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| kanzure | "yes i'm calling this new data structure 'merkle tears' for obvious reasons" | 12:55 |
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| justanotheruser | https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/paulellenbogen/ancestry-com-can-use-your-dna-to-target-ads/ | 14:48 |
| kanzure | beep boop http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-003.pdf | 14:48 |
| justanotheruser | If only there were a diff for pdf | 14:48 |
| kanzure | there's a phantomjs visual diff module | 14:50 |
| kanzure | pdfjs could probably be rigged up to do this | 14:50 |
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| andytoshi | when developing the sidechains paper we used a program that did a diff on the latex and produced a pretty PDF | 15:12 |
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| Betawolf | there's a latexdiff program | 15:19 |
| Betawolf | no help if you've just got pdfs, though | 15:21 |
| andytoshi | these slides look like latex to me .. kanzure is driving now, we'll have to wait to ask him | 15:23 |
| Betawolf | Really? sans font, no maths, odd image placement on pg 13. Could be, but would be suprised. (In the case where they're not, you could run things through pdftotext and diff them, if it's just a text comparison). | 15:25 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: "● Recovery from consensus hard-forks?" | 15:28 |
| justanotheruser | do you mean contentious? | 15:28 |
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| kanzure | justanotheruser: all sorts of hard-forks.. not just contentious. | 17:09 |
| justanotheruser | what is a consensus hard fork | 17:22 |
| justanotheruser | as opposed to a protocol hard fork? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | same thing i think | 17:23 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, protocol is ambiguous | 17:24 |
| justanotheruser | but I meant like the 0.2 -> 0.3 change that changed the relay protocol | 17:24 |
| justanotheruser | besides the point though. | 17:24 |
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| justanotheruser | If you're looking for clean up material for a consensus hard fork, I assume you have already seen BIP50? | 17:25 |
| kanzure | the post-mortem? yes i've seen that | 17:26 |
| kanzure | can't remember if that's bip50 tho | 17:26 |
| justanotheruser | it is | 17:26 |
| kanzure | biggest addition is slide 48 i guess http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/scaling-review-draft.v4-004.pdf | 17:28 |
| kanzure | also a bunch of the snarks stuff has been cleaned up (thanks andytoshi) | 17:28 |
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| nmz787 | programmable magnets http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?PHPSESSID=bp8undeb519v1tkmvlhjpfcpu7&topic=19147.msg139932#msg139932 | 18:32 |
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| kanzure | http://www.polymagnet.com/ | 19:46 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 19:46 |
| kanzure | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_magnet | 19:46 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drD416THU7Y | 19:46 |
| yoleaux | CMR Demos Its Printed Polarity Magnets - YouTube | 19:46 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=962e31f9 Bryan Bishop: transcript: adam3us on scalability and max block size >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/2015-09-07-epicenter-bitcoin-adam3us-scalability/ | 21:51 |
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