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| nmz787 | zomg: http://xkcd.com/1445/ | 00:08 |
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| justanotheruser | I can relate | 00:48 |
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| kanzure | that's a lousy xkcd; there are other dimensions than time that matter for efficiency. both strategies might take the same time but give wildly different results. | 06:31 |
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| maaku | nmz787 justanotheruser : there's a theorum whose attribution I can't remember, that the less difference between two strategies, the more time we'll spend deciding between them | 08:23 |
| maaku | common failure mode, I guess | 08:23 |
| kanzure | 9009809f50464b77d7118af4be59790f6015e6e5269c0bac287c31246823f4af http://gnusha.org/logs/loghashes.002.txt | 08:27 |
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| kanzure | http://grahamwideman.wikispaces.com/Invitrogen+Electroporator+II | 11:29 |
| chris_99 | cool! | 11:29 |
| chris_99 | i had something like that on my fleabay watchlist for a while | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | "Our local Fab Lab and DIY Bio space acquired an Invitrogen Electroporator II in order to perform DNA transfer experiments. It didn't come with documentation of even how to operate it, nor was any found online. ... [so we documented a bunch of stuff]" | 11:30 |
| chris_99 | do they have a synthesizer too | 11:30 |
| kanzure | dunno, probably not | 11:31 |
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| chris_99 | getting hold of plasmids seems v. hard | 11:31 |
| kanzure | dna transfer can be done without plasmids | 11:34 |
| chris_99 | but then wouldn't you still need the dna in some other form?7 | 11:35 |
| heath | .title http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24627955 | 11:44 |
| yoleaux | Virus-encapsulated DNA origami nanostructures for cellular delivery. - PubMed - NCBI | 11:44 |
| heath | thought this was pretty interesting: http://scitation.aip.org/content/avs/journal/jvstb/32/4/10.1116/1.4879417 | 11:48 |
| heath | .title | 11:48 |
| yoleaux | Thermal stability of DNA origami on mica | 11:48 |
| heath | "The authors report the unusual thermal stability of deoxyribose nucleic acid (DNA) origami when adhered to a solid substrate. Even when heated to 150 °C for 45 min, these DNA nanostructures retain their physical and chemical integrity. This result suggests that DNA origami could be integrated into applications requiring moderate substrate heating, such as photoresist baking or chemical vapor deposition processes." | 11:48 |
| heath | and i'd like to read this at some point: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-13523-1_9#page-1 | 11:49 |
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| heath | .title | 11:49 |
| yoleaux | DNA Origami as Self-assembling Circuit Boards - Springer | 11:49 |
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| chris_99 | don't spose anyones used this https://theeyetribe.com/products/ | 12:12 |
| nmz787 | heath: neat paper | 12:27 |
| heath | nmz787: which one? | 12:28 |
| heath | i haven't read the first or the last | 12:28 |
| nmz787 | the last | 12:29 |
| heath | yeah, qca + dna origami could prove useful :) | 12:30 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: nice electroporation find | 12:31 |
| kanzure | was from diybio mailing list | 12:31 |
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| nmz787 | well, #ultrasound and ##ultrasound don't exist | 12:57 |
| nmz787 | no one over there to talk about watermelon ripeness sensors ;) | 12:57 |
| heath | nmz787: you're in portland, right? | 12:58 |
| nmz787 | therabouts, ya | 12:59 |
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| chris_99 | what are you trying to do with ultrasound out of interest? | 13:08 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: just a random comment that my colleague made when I told him about Amazon Prime Now being available in Portland, and he realized he was in the zones with service... he was looking at the grocery store they have available for Prime Now 2 hr free delivery, and saw watermelons | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | and then we started talking about watermelons, and he found this: 15:13 < nmz787_w> The world obviously is in dire need of this device becoming a reality http://www.me.udel.edu/meeg447/98/serffiles/fall4-design-reviews/dr-ppt/dr-02.ppt | 13:12 |
| nmz787 | which says they used ultrasound | 13:12 |
| chris_99 | aha lol | 13:12 |
| chris_99 | i was trying to solder my ultrasound MEMS sensor the other day, but failed because it's so tiny, ordered some thinner copper wire to try again | 13:13 |
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| archels | https://web.archive.org/web/20141219133936/http://celldynamics.org/celldynamics/index.html | 14:26 |
| archels | hmm, defunct? bummer | 14:26 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vjt29f_6mk | 15:56 |
| yoleaux | Elon Musk - Stephen Colbert Interview - The Late Show - 9/9/2015 - YouTube | 15:56 |
| kanzure | "nuking mars is the fastest way to make it habitable." | 15:57 |
| nsh | wat | 15:58 |
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| kanzure | who do we have in montreal | 17:55 |
| kanzure | besides padz | 17:55 |
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| kanzure | "if it bleeds, we can kill it" | 18:20 |
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| JayDugger | Nuking mars would work, if you want to thicken the atmosphere, but per Fogg's Terraforming, you'll need lots of large explosives. | 18:26 |
| JayDugger | (And evacuate the planet while blasting.) | 18:27 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, I read yesterday's draft, and I don't have much to add. Switch to a simpler block diagram of the Lightning network if one's available. | 18:28 |
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| kanzure | someone else is presenting on that concept | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Make sure to maintain consistent bottom margins for each slide. One of the other diagrams almost falls off the page bottom. One last spell check, too. | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Then you can probably get by with a simpler version of the diagram in your presentation. (If that's the simple one, fine.) | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | Everything else that came to mind when I read it would depend on the audience, and you know them better. So nothing valuable from me there. | 18:31 |
| JayDugger | Thank ypu for letting me read the draft. I learned a good deal. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | i still think it's weird that everyone knows ralph merkle here, but for all the wrong reasons | 18:32 |
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| JayDugger | By here, you mean what? | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | His dad worked on Project Pluto, IIRC. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | "here" as in "in these bitcoin topics" | 18:38 |
| kanzure | they don't know about his molecular nanotechnology work or cryonics work | 18:39 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 18:40 |
| JayDugger | I would've guessed the reverse; so I asked. | 18:40 |
| kanzure | well cryptography has much wider understanding i suppose | 18:41 |
| kanzure | so it makes sense | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | So back to nuking Mars: | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | Skipping to the punch line, Mars probably doesn't have enough carbonate rock to thicken the atmosphere unless you want to "involve the brecciation of most of the planet's crust." | 18:44 |
| JayDugger | But you could use it in carbonate and nitrate rock and ice to help. | 18:44 |
| JayDugger | The polar caps lack enough ice to do the job. | 18:45 |
| JayDugger | Fogg's Terraforming, Table 6.5 "Nuclear Mining of Carbon Dioxide on Mars" has rows for device yield (Mt), millions of devices to devolatilize 300 mbar CO2, total cost of devices in trillions of 1975 USD, and cost equivalent in multiples of 1975 Gross World Product. | 18:47 |
| JayDugger | Assuming thermonuclear bombs with lithium deuteride. | 18:49 |
| JayDugger | He goes on to talk about likely radioactive contaminants, and their durations of human affect. | 18:50 |
| JayDugger | Fun reading. | 18:51 |
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