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| maaku | .title http://nautil.us/blog/the-case-for-making-humans-smaller | 02:18 |
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| yoleaux | The Case for Making Humans Smaller - Facts So Romantic - Nautilus | 02:18 |
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| kanzure | .wik inventor's paradox | 09:01 |
| yoleaux | "The inventor's paradox is a phenomenon that occurs in seeking a solution to a given problem. Instead of solving a specific type of problem, which would seem intuitively easier, it can be easier to solve a more general problem, which covers the specifics of the sought after solution." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventor%27s_paradox | 09:01 |
| kanzure | "in other words, to solve what one desires to solve, one may have to solve more than that in order to get a properly working flow of information" | 09:01 |
| kanzure | thomson reuters is trying to sell web of science and their other academic properties http://thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2015/november/explore-strategic-options-ip-science-business.html | 09:40 |
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| abetusk | re: inventors paradox. This happens in math and computer science a lot. I think one of the reasons is that standard tools are tried for the specific problems when new ideas are needed. A theory is developed that has a key idea that solves a broader more general problem of which the task is one specific sub type. | 10:16 |
| TMA | the main reason it works in math/cs is by making a variable from one of the constants enables to dissect the problem along another axis, which might be easier to do | 10:20 |
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| abetusk | no, sometimes the ideas are deeper and connect two areas that didn't have an obvious relation. Polynomial factorization via lattice reduction, for example. Connecting questions of geometry and linear algebra to a question of algebraic number theory | 10:34 |
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| TMA | that's translation to another domain. sidestepping the problem is a valuable and powerfull tool too, but I think it is not covered by the inventor's paradox category | 12:25 |
| abetusk | In many cases it's solving a broader problem by encompassing other domains | 12:37 |
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| superkuh | http://superkuh.com/pictures/PhysicsProblems.png | 12:46 |
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| archels | [New_Cryonet] Is Stephan Beauregard actually Jonathan Despres under an assumed name? | 13:29 |
| archels | haha, that guy (Despres) is an internet legend | 13:29 |
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| nmz787 | .tell chris_99 the window on the CCD is the limiting factor, to get below the glass absorbtion, you either need to coat it with a fluorophore, or swap the glass with quartz | 13:50 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 13:50 |
| nmz787 | .tell chris_99 you can also run without a window, but then you risk dust and moisture | 13:50 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 13:50 |
| chris_99 | hey nmz787 | 13:51 |
| yoleaux | 21:50Z <nmz787> chris_99: the window on the CCD is the limiting factor, to get below the glass absorbtion, you either need to coat it with a fluorophore, or swap the glass with quartz | 13:51 |
| yoleaux | 21:50Z <nmz787> chris_99: you can also run without a window, but then you risk dust and moisture | 13:51 |
| chris_99 | oh cheers that's intresting | 13:51 |
| chris_99 | i just found something kind of cool - the patent for the scio (which i've just gotten a refund for heh) patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20140320858.pdf | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | oh yeah, I was trying to remember that recently to show how horrible they were | 13:52 |
| nmz787 | (the name) | 13:52 |
| chris_99 | heh, i'm just tring to understand the patent | 13:53 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: not much new, just integration it seems | 13:59 |
| chris_99 | is the microlens idea new | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | probably the only thing that might be novel is 'the cloud' | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | sending the data to be processed on the cloud | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | integrated optics are done all the time | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | the raman 'gun' manufacturers have probably done exactly that | 14:00 |
| nmz787 | or if they haven't, have it in their back pockets | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | only I guess they give the users some DRM-ed database locally | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | rather than keeping their DB in the cloud | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | microlense is kindof a misleading remark I think, as it says it doesn't use 'dispersive' optics... so I take that to me it's all refractive (i.e. gratings and pinholes, etc) | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | and I'm sure some of their catch-all claims are novel in terms of patenting, but nothing novel in terms of what smart people would be expecting... | 14:03 |
| nmz787 | like "compact spectrometer system is incorporated into a refrigerator." | 14:03 |
| nmz787 | duh | 14:03 |
| chris_99 | hehe | 14:04 |
| nmz787 | they don't have 'spectrometer in the toilet'... my claim is saved! | 14:04 |
| nmz787 | ttyl | 14:05 |
| chris_99 | toodles | 14:05 |
| * nmz787 goes to cut wood for a workbench | 14:05 | |
| chris_99 | nice :) | 14:05 |
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| kanzure | i hate hangouts so much. everyone needs to die in the worst imaginable way. how the shit am i expected to be in four hangouts simultaneously? everyone is awful. | 15:25 |
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| kanzure | dbz interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDr93H4VBMo | 17:21 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDc1YVxHA0 | 18:24 |
| yoleaux | "Devs Play" S1E06 - Psychonauts "The SMK Speedrun" [1/1] - YouTube | 18:24 |
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| drethelin | kanzure: yeah I don't unerstand why people are so obsessed with low-bandwidth voice communication | 19:21 |
| kanzure | there might be one or two situations where voice is okay, but the vast majority of the cases should not default to voice | 19:24 |
| kanzure | and they certainly should not default to face relay | 19:24 |
| drethelin | voice has value for non-strangers | 19:30 |
| drethelin | you can convey information really quickly with people you know or work with | 19:31 |
| drethelin | but for impersonal stuff like lectures voice is really slow | 19:31 |
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| kanzure | anders sandberg is surprisingly anti-transhumanist here "One take would be that there really is a level of persuasion that is unacceptable because it allows them to exert will on us reliably enough that our will becomes overruled. Another take would be that persuasion through the usual channels - good arguments, winning ways, a nice face - is something we understand and can handle using our normal mental firewalls, while other methods - ... | 19:33 |
| kanzure | ... subliminal signals, pheromones - might circumvent our firewalls and hence be unacceptable. | 19:33 |
| kanzure | " | 19:33 |
| kanzure | who the shit cares whether that's bad? if it's happening, you can't just tell them "you're being a meanie butthead, so therefore you're not really happening". that's the dumbest strategy i've heard from him besides "work with nick bostrom". | 19:34 |
| drethelin | what's so dumb about bostrom | 19:35 |
| kanzure | well, the primary wrong that he has committed in his life is that he failed to point anders back on a path of righteous badassery | 19:35 |
| kanzure | second, for as much as he might seem transhumanist, his primary motivation seems to be the typical drugery of academic bullsiht | 19:35 |
| kanzure | writing these things down is important but you don't need to be in academia to do that | 19:36 |
| kanzure | most of his ethics articles are these weirdo "ask for permission now, but never for forgiveness" philosophy that makes him ineffective at achieving any of these goals | 19:36 |
| kanzure | he is far too eager to appease the bioethics people at the expense of other work | 19:37 |
| kanzure | he doesn't spend enough time on biology (his "embryo selection" article is evidence of this) | 19:38 |
| kanzure | i would call a truce if he kicks anders out of the nest and back into the world | 19:38 |
| kanzure | george church is a way more pragmatic academic transhumanist than nick bostrom | 19:41 |
| kanzure | i'm allowed to say that now that this channel is no longer sponsored by his billion-dollar lab hedge fund | 19:42 |
| drethelin | hah | 20:05 |
| drethelin | I didn't reallize IRC channels needed sponsors | 20:05 |
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