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| archels | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XdC1HUp-rU& | 06:06 |
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| yoleaux | da Vinci Robot Stitches a Grape Back Together - YouTube | 06:06 |
| chris_99 | impressive | 06:07 |
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| kanzure | http://davincisurgery.com/ | 06:44 |
| chris_99 | i actually thought it was doing the grape surgery autonomously but alas not | 06:45 |
| chris_99 | still cool though | 06:45 |
| archels | nah definitely not, we ain't there yet | 06:47 |
| kanzure | what's a good way to distinguish between a pdf page number and the page number lies written on the pdf page? | 07:18 |
| kanzure | when i tell someone to look at pdf page 19 how do i tell them i really mean pdf page 19 and not page 19? | 07:18 |
| Aurelius_Work | 'file page 19'? | 07:19 |
| kanzure | which one is the file? | 07:20 |
| kanzure | still ambiguous | 07:20 |
| Aurelius_Work | hmm | 07:20 |
| Aurelius_Work | 'go to the 19th page as indicated by the pdf reader rather than indicated on the page' :P | 07:20 |
| maaku | kanzure: numbered page 19 | 07:20 |
| kanzure | they are both numbered! gah | 07:21 |
| kanzure | this is less ambiguous: "pdf-viewer-numbered page 19" | 07:21 |
| maaku | ok guess that one didn't work (to me "numbered" means physically marked on the page) | 07:21 |
| kanzure | nonauthor-page-number 19 | 07:24 |
| kanzure | screw it, we should just write a script to fix page numbers in broken pdf files | 07:24 |
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| poppingtonic | Yeah, I've always just memorized the page-number-on-pdf to the page-number-in-pdf-viewer in my head, and added them in my head | 07:29 |
| poppingtonic | I've just decided that that's just too much makework. | 07:29 |
| kanzure | pdf page numbers should be in hex, since no document uses hex page numbering | 07:34 |
| kanzure | pdf page 0x1 | 07:34 |
| kanzure | problem solved | 07:34 |
| pompolic | PoC or GTFO might, actually | 07:34 |
| pompolic | or is that the chapter numbers | 07:35 |
| kanzure | damn it | 07:35 |
| kanzure | the problem with automatically fixing the labeled page numbers is that the text might refer to pages. so you have to keep the labels unfortunately. you could use color coding perhaps, like "pdf red page number 5". and then print red text in one of the free corners. | 07:36 |
| kanzure | "digital page number" could work. it's slightly ambiguous but i think people would realize there is a distinction between data and what the digital data says. | 07:38 |
| FAMAS | greetings | 07:39 |
| poppingtonic | pompolic: those are just chapter numbers. Also, the volume numbers | 07:41 |
| archels | kanzure: use PDF authoring software that handles them correctly (i.e. lines them up so they match) | 07:49 |
| archels | otherwise maybe something like "the 42nd sheet" | 07:50 |
| poppingtonic | archels: you mean, actually edit the pdf? like using FoxIt? | 07:50 |
| archels | yeah | 07:50 |
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| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10653179 | 08:20 |
| yoleaux | Why FPGA manufacturers keep their bitstream formats secret | Hacker News | 08:20 |
| juri_ | kanzure: working on it. ;) | 08:23 |
| poppingtonic | ooh kanzure is the hn discussion more interesting than the article? | 08:24 |
| kanzure | well it mentions clifford wolf's work on the ice thingy. but we already knew about that (see logs). | 08:25 |
| kanzure | so other than that, skippable | 08:25 |
| kanzure | "it" == HN comments | 08:25 |
| poppingtonic | Here's the ice thingy http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/ | 08:26 |
| kanzure | have there been any cochlear implant control groups with healthy hearing that received functioning cochlear implants? | 08:30 |
| kanzure | i see a few studies where the two test groups are "some old people with hearing loss" and "some middle-aged adults wth hearing loss". how is that a control group? wtf | 08:32 |
| kanzure | apparently some parents teach their infants to use sign language since they pick that up faster than speech http://www.mybabycantalk.com/content/information/research/Impact%20of%20Symbolic%20Gesturing.pdf | 08:35 |
| kanzure | but that's not quite what i was looking for heh | 08:35 |
| kanzure | surely there's at least one cochlear implant recipient that got an implant as a child but later found out that he has perfectly fine hearing. and now has extra audio input. | 08:37 |
| kanzure | 08:41 < Act> kanzure: oooh. can you stream music direct to cochlear implants? | 08:41 |
| kanzure | 08:41 < kanzure> no, because they are proprietary and evil | 08:42 |
| kanzure | 08:41 < kanzure> but other than that, in theory yes | 08:42 |
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| kanzure | "Fewer than 1% of deaf individuals have a missing or damaged auditory nerve, which today can be treated with an auditory brainstem implant." | 08:51 |
| poppingtonic | kanzure your conversation with Act reminds me of Cory Doctorow's perennial talk subject: DRM locking up the-miniature-turing-complete-computer-in-your-ear | 08:53 |
| poppingtonic | Is anyone here backing up libgen? | 08:54 |
| poppingtonic | or scihub? | 08:54 |
| kanzure | scihub creator once showed up in here | 08:54 |
| kanzure | she is currently busy with the elsevier lawsuit | 08:55 |
| kanzure | *allged scihub creator | 08:55 |
| kanzure | *alleged scihub creator | 08:55 |
| kanzure | as far as i know, libgen backups are currently hindered by lack of contact with libgen people. i'm willing to send someone to russia with hard drives if necessary but need more details about where to go. | 08:55 |
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| nmz787_i | sup | 11:27 |
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| cluckj | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck | 11:38 |
| cluckj | I "have to" grant ProQuest a license to profit off my dissertation in order to submit it to my university | 11:39 |
| kanzure | proquest has an exclusive deal with your university? | 11:39 |
| cluckj | yeah | 11:39 |
| kanzure | hahaha | 11:39 |
| cluckj | there's no "download it from sci-hub, you shitheads" option | 11:39 |
| kanzure | your university doesn't archive its own theses? | 11:40 |
| cluckj | they do! | 11:40 |
| cluckj | they've "streamlined" the thesis submission process to grant proquest a monopoly on the submission process | 11:40 |
| cluckj | we'll fuckin' see about that | 11:40 |
| cluckj | I'm tempted to make an egregious copyright violation in my introduction so that they can't secure the rights (and consequently can't publish it) | 11:41 |
| cluckj | a big picture of mickey mouse or something... | 11:41 |
| chris_99 | heh | 11:41 |
| nmz787_i | wow | 11:43 |
| nmz787_i | that sounds sucky | 11:43 |
| nmz787_i | is there anyway you can argue it "you didn't tell me I had to give this away when I was admitted 5 years ago" | 11:44 |
| nmz787_i | or something | 11:44 |
| cluckj | maybe | 11:44 |
| cluckj | I'm asking my advisor about it now | 11:44 |
| cluckj | this is pretty much a deal breaker, though | 11:44 |
| nmz787_i | or can you just upload to the web now, before giving it to them? | 11:44 |
| nmz787_i | pre-print or something? | 11:45 |
| nmz787_i | and include a link in the submitted version too, or something | 11:45 |
| nmz787_i | so anyone accessing via payway can find the non-paywalled link for sharing | 11:45 |
| cluckj | oh, like put a link in the abstract? | 11:46 |
| cluckj | I dunno, I'm finding out now if I can opt-out of granting them a license | 11:47 |
| nmz787_i | idk if you could get away with that | 11:47 |
| nmz787_i | i mean putting a link in the abstract | 11:47 |
| cluckj | yeah | 11:47 |
| nmz787_i | it would seem like you'd need some leverage to get around their protocols... like if publication of your results will get the uni funding or something | 11:48 |
| chris_99 | does it mean you're not allowed to self host your thesis? | 11:48 |
| nmz787_i | "well if it isn't free, it isn't publishable" "I'll quit school right now" | 11:49 |
| nmz787_i | haha | 11:49 |
| cluckj | I (will) have the copyright on it, so I can do whatever I want with it | 11:49 |
| chris_99 | ah cool | 11:49 |
| nmz787_i | but you can't make money on it? | 11:49 |
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| nmz787_i | or rather, you have to watch proquest make money on it | 11:49 |
| cluckj | I can grant my university a CC 3.0 license | 11:49 |
| cluckj | it's a non-exclusive license | 11:49 |
| cluckj | (for proquest) | 11:49 |
| nmz787_i | too bad you can't use some infectious license, whereby all of proquest could be legally challenged to be opened up | 11:50 |
| nmz787_i | a single one-line clause in your publication, in super-small type.... | 11:50 |
| cluckj | parasitic licenses for the parasitic dissertation | 11:50 |
| nmz787_i | some phone-home javascript baked into the PDF | 11:51 |
| nmz787_i | that calls out from proquest | 11:51 |
| cluckj | I'm perfectly happy granting my university a license, but fuck proquest right in its ear | 11:51 |
| nmz787_i | the "just dumped your server keys" clause | 11:51 |
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| cluckj | I totally need to add a couple sentences of lowkey hate on proquest in the section where I talk about journal piracy and resistance to open-access models | 11:52 |
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| chris_99 | has anyone ever looked into ECG biometrics for passwords out of interest | 12:05 |
| chris_99 | i mean i know it's done, but does it work well | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | chris_99: unrelated, but did you know of vein authentication? http://biowatch.ch ish | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | i did not, just loading that up :) | 12:06 |
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| chris_99 | does it work with an IR camera or something | 12:07 |
| chris_99 | their website is v. slow for me | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vein_matching | 12:08 |
| chris_99 | mm that meantions IR light | 12:08 |
| chris_99 | i'd assume ECG may be cheaper in terms of hardware possibly | 12:09 |
| cluckj | oh boy | 12:16 |
| cluckj | "you have to do it, but you can CC license it too" | 12:16 |
| cluckj | http://library.rpi.edu/update.do?artcenterkey=1389 | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: i could see that being hard to use... someone could denial-of-service attack you by just constantly annoying you so you couldn't achieve the same brain-state, I think | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | "And, for an additional fee, you may also authorize ProQuest to make electronic copies of your dissertation available as an “open access” publication." | 12:21 |
| nmz787_i | "Rensselaer has participated in the ProQuest Dissertation Service since the early 1950's. This voluntary program for universities was established by an act of the U.S. Congress to preserve doctoral dissertations on microfilm and to promote the dissemination of original research at a national level." | 12:22 |
| nmz787_i | huh | 12:22 |
| nmz787_i | now I want to listen to the Folsom Prison song by Johnny Cash | 12:22 |
| nmz787_i | 'stuck in Folsom prison, reading these theses til I die..." | 12:23 |
| cluckj | yeah seriously | 12:25 |
| cluckj | the fee is $95, and they are still granted a license to print copies | 12:25 |
| archels | is there an argument to make for the case that we shouldn't use biometrics for identification? | 12:26 |
| cluckj | maybe I can revoke their license asap | 12:26 |
| cluckj | hmmm | 12:29 |
| nmz787_i | cluckj: well allowing them to print it seems OK, or letting them shove it into the library of Congress (unless the Folsom library is some local campus library)... who else is going to do it? | 12:31 |
| cluckj | the folsom library is a local campus library :) | 12:31 |
| cluckj | Grant of Rights. Author hereby grants to ProQuest the non-exclusive, worldwide right to reproduce, distribute, display and transmit the Work (in whole or in part) in such tangible and electronic formats as may be in existence now or developed in the future. Author further grants to ProQuest the right to include the abstract, bibliography and other metadata in the ProQuest Dissertations and Theses database (PQDT) and in P | 12:32 |
| cluckj | roQuest's Dissertation Abstracts International and any successor or related index and/or finding products or services. | 12:32 |
| kanzure | oh, non-exclusive proquest license. meh. | 12:35 |
| cluckj | yeah | 12:36 |
| cluckj | they need to get that in before I can release it under a CC license | 12:36 |
| ButaTine | Stskeeps, we sell computers with vein scanners at work. | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ButaTine: cool :) | 12:36 |
| ButaTine | I could run some tests on one if you like. | 12:36 |
| ButaTine | higher end laptops they are though, unlikely to be cost effective if you buy them for the sensor. | 12:37 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787_i, sorry was afk, it's ECG rather than EEG | 12:58 |
| ButaTine | chris_99, isn't it the same signal measuring method, just different interpretation of the collected data? | 12:59 |
| chris_99 | i think EEG amps might amplifier more, and they're placed in different areas of the body | 13:00 |
| chris_99 | *amplify | 13:00 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: I guess ECG would pose the same challenge... heart rate is modulated by annoyance, fear, shock, etc | 13:05 |
| chris_99 | apparently they don't look at the bpm though | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | i still imagine the pattern would change | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | i guess that could be learned though | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | the training wouldn't be quick I guess | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | it would need to watch your heart to really find the 'golden' pattern... or some set of possible patterns | 13:07 |
| nmz787_i | I'd also guess that drugs and brain injuries would change the pattern too | 13:07 |
| chris_99 | or developing arrhythmia | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | yeah | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | something like that | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: seen any cheap sources for optical probes with an SMA connector? something like this http://www.avantes.com/products/fiber-optics/item/254-transmission-dip-probe-with-variable-path-length | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | seems this is pretty much the only thing I'm lacking now for practical use of my spectrometer | 13:11 |
| chris_99 | don't that surplus science place sell them | 13:11 |
| chris_99 | for $20 | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | or some sort of coupler for a cuvette | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | oh, lemme check | 13:12 |
| chris_99 | i thought they came with them | 13:13 |
| chris_99 | normally | 13:13 |
| nmz787_i | pretty nice site: http://amasci.com/suppliers.html | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | it came with a fiber patch cable | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | but not a probe | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | I was with a friend last night who was doing some color-change reactions and I was looking in the box I got with the spectrometer | 13:15 |
| chris_99 | whats the difference between a probe and patch? does one have a lens on | 13:16 |
| chris_99 | or something | 13:16 |
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| chris_99 | oh i see | 13:20 |
| chris_99 | it has some kind of reflector on? | 13:20 |
| chris_99 | oh and it transmits light | 13:21 |
| chris_99 | well that is handy | 13:21 |
| nmz787_i | the patch is just one-to-one (input goes to output, or visa versa) | 13:22 |
| chris_99 | yeah i see now | 13:22 |
| chris_99 | how much does a dip probe cost | 13:22 |
| nmz787_i | idk ! | 13:22 |
| nmz787_i | ocean optics has a few, but no prices :/ | 13:23 |
| chris_99 | :( | 13:23 |
| nmz787_i | so I can't buy one (quickly, at least) even if it was expensive | 13:23 |
| chris_99 | http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Fiber-optic-dip-transmission-probes_108914029.html?spm=a2700.7724838.38.1.v4Mc59 | 13:23 |
| chris_99 | no price | 13:23 |
| nmz787_i | huh, well here's a $6 one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reflection-type-Photoelectric-optical-fiber-amplifier-sensor-probe-M4-/331559354508?hash=item4d327a408c:g:3MMAAOSwaNBUkR0H | 13:24 |
| nmz787_i | but it doesn't appear to have the connectors on the ends | 13:24 |
| chris_99 | doesn't seem to say the wavelength? | 13:24 |
| nmz787_i | no :/ | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | also is that the dip type? | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | or is it just two bundles pointing out? | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i | no idea | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | a dip one could be perfect to just shove in a fermenter :) | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | i think the dip is usually two fibers pointing out, and then there's some kind of reflector some distance away | 13:27 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | well | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | i guess in that case it would be transmission | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | so maybe a 'reflective' just lacks the reflector | 13:27 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | also, with the reflective, I think the light source gets combined with the sensing fiber... via a prism... before the end of the probe | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | so a 'transmissive' dip probe is probably cheaper | 13:29 |
| nmz787_i | since they use a reflector/diffuser instead of a beam combineer | 13:29 |
| nmz787_i | alibaba link seems like worthwhile to check into | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | have you tried the spectrometer with the patch though | 13:31 |
| nmz787_i | not yet | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | I am getting close though... I glued the surface onto my new workbench two nights ago | 13:34 |
| chris_99 | cool :) | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | (which I need to have more workspace) | 13:35 |
| chris_99 | is the SEM in storage? | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | I was dumb though and didn't have enough clamps (I would have needed probably 10 more clamps)... so I used heavy boxes of books to press the thin plywood to the base.... but the weight caused the table to sink and bow down... so now it's glued that way! | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | yeah, still over at the local FIB lab | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | bought a small 4 or 5 inch black and white TV last week at a second-hand store | 13:36 |
| chris_99 | heh cool | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | runs on 12V or battery, is probably the newest CRT I can find used and cheap | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | figure that should provide some insight/experience on messing with the SEM | 13:37 |
| chris_99 | does the SEM have a built in CRT? | 13:37 |
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| nmz787_i | yea | 13:43 |
| nmz787_i | but the SEM itself is like a CRT | 13:43 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 13:44 |
| nmz787_i | actually I guess more like a TEM overall... without beam focus point | 13:44 |
| nmz787_i | or a STEM | 13:44 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787_i, http://www.spectraconn.com/product-classes/dip-probes/ | 13:50 |
| chris_99 | got prices | 13:50 |
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| FourFire | I might disappear for a bit, chances are my VM will shortly crash this computer :7 | 14:13 |
| FourFire | if not then yay, i won. | 14:13 |
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| cluckj | lol | 15:23 |
| cluckj | everyone I've talked to is misunderstanding what my problem with granting them a license is | 15:23 |
| cluckj | they're all like "no it's okay to do that" | 15:23 |
| cluckj | "they're not going to do anything bad with it" | 15:24 |
| cluckj | the friggin point is that I don't want to be forced to give those for-profit weasels a license | 15:24 |
| kanzure | you should point out that the upload process requires granting proquest a license, which is highly unethical | 15:27 |
| cluckj | yes | 15:27 |
| cluckj | that's exactly the issue | 15:28 |
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| kanzure | you should sell a license to proquest instead :) | 15:32 |
| kanzure | i'm sure you could twist that into a little media frenzy too if you want | 15:33 |
| cluckj | hah | 15:34 |
| cluckj | I just want to CC license it and throw it up on the internet | 15:34 |
| cluckj | nobody is going to read it, anyway | 15:34 |
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| cluckj | bah | 18:06 |
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| cluckj | looks like it's totally involuntary | 18:06 |
| cluckj | and compulsory | 18:06 |
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| fenn | while i want to back you up on sticking it to the man, i just don't think granting a non-exclusive license to republish is that big of a deal. it's not as if you're transferring copyright to them like many journals demand | 18:19 |
| fenn | if you publish as CC you're essentially granting them a non-exclusive license to republish anyway | 18:20 |
| fenn | given a choice of a world where people host their own papers and their websites go down and everything is lost forever, or a world with mandatory inclusion in a database of "all papers ever", i'll take the latter | 18:21 |
| cluckj | yeah | 18:37 |
| cluckj | nobody will buy copies anyway, so it's not like they will make any money off of them | 18:38 |
| cluckj | the CC license will prohibit commercial use, though | 18:54 |
| cluckj | so they need to get one that will let them print copies | 18:54 |
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| fenn | non-commercial copyleft licenses are a bad idea | 19:01 |
| fenn | creative commons made a mistake by allowing so many different licenses under the same name | 19:02 |
| fenn | they currently advise against using the non-commercial license | 19:02 |
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| cluckj | oh? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | aaronsw also advises against using non-commerical creative commons license types | 19:10 |
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| cluckj | my choices are: Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial No Derivative Works 3.0 license, or "you retain the copyright" | 19:11 |
| kanzure | no-derivatives? yeesh | 19:12 |
| cluckj | through this goofy online tool, anyway | 19:12 |
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| cluckj | what makes the NC licenses a bad plan? | 19:13 |
| cluckj | "the ProQuest fee for Open Access Publishing PLUS is $95.00 USD" | 19:14 |
| cluckj | hah | 19:14 |
| fenn | NC licenses have unforseen consequences, and it's unclear what exactly "non-commercial" means (and different people do in fact have different ideas of what it means) | 19:16 |
| fenn | and most of the time a simple copyleft license does the intended thing, which is preventing some third party from denying others use of our work or derivatives of it | 19:17 |
| cluckj | okay | 19:19 |
| cluckj | I'll retain all rights for now, and license it out later when I have time to read through all the licenses | 19:19 |
| fenn | here's some arguments against NC licenses http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC | 19:20 |
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| cluckj | hmm | 19:37 |
| kanzure | usually i stick to cc-by-sa | 19:39 |
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| cluckj | SA isn't an option, unfortunately | 19:52 |
| kanzure | you might as well write the whole thing in klingon and sticky-tape it to one of the voyager probes | 19:55 |
| fenn | just re-publish it on your website as -by-sa | 19:55 |
| cluckj | lol | 19:56 |
| fenn | and/or put it in the intro of the paper itself | 19:56 |
| cluckj | fenn, they will definitely not let me get away with that | 19:56 |
| fenn | why not? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | proquest is way more valuable to them than some thesis | 19:57 |
| cluckj | ^ | 19:57 |
| kanzure | they probably get sweet proquest discounts out of this | 19:57 |
| cluckj | somebody is making money from this, and it ain't me | 19:58 |
| kanzure | hard to imagine there's an entire multi-billion dollar industry around uploading papers to ftp servers and selling access back to universities | 19:58 |
| cluckj | this is an extremely ironic problem because I almost flat-out call publishing companies parasites | 20:00 |
| kanzure | if bill gates is unwilling to buy elsevier then maybe zuckerberg would consider it | 20:00 |
| kanzure | all this inefficency in transferring important knowledge around is completely stupid | 20:00 |
| fenn | or they would say "wow they make billions of dollars from doing absolutely nothing? where do i invest?" | 20:00 |
| kanzure | nah they both like to loudly proclaim they are doing stuffs for charity or something | 20:01 |
| kanzure | cost of science is already way too high, don't need additional costs of academic publishing and sending ideas to each other | 20:01 |
| cluckj | oh they do it from exploiting the labor of entrenched academics | 20:01 |
| fenn | starving children make better moral blackmail fodder than academics | 20:01 |
| kanzure | right, reputation stuff | 20:01 |
| kanzure | yeah, true, but i think it could be reasonably argued there are starving children because of academic publishing inefficiencies | 20:02 |
| kanzure | "tuberculosis absolutely hates this industry, so that's how you know you should be buying this up" | 20:03 |
| cluckj | maybe I will starve my child and publish open-access | 20:03 |
| cluckj | $95 fuckin dollars for web hosting... | 20:03 |
| fenn | lol "tuberculosis hates libgen" | 20:03 |
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| * fenn imagines propaganda posters like, "you wouldn't infect a pizza with tuberculosis" | 20:04 | |
| kanzure | i don't think that anyone has made a reasonable argument to gates or zuckerberg about literally buying up academic publishers | 20:04 |
| kanzure | so i guess that is going to have to be up to me | 20:04 |
| * kanzure makes a powerpoint | 20:05 | |
| kanzure | where's that damn hockey stick graph showing growth in number of papers per year.... | 20:05 |
| kanzure | billionaires love them some hockey stick graphs | 20:05 |
| cluckj | that's a good graph. gates loves graphs. | 20:05 |
| kanzure | babe hush i know how this rolls | 20:05 |
| kanzure | http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/05/global-scientific-output-doubles-every-nine-years.html | 20:06 |
| kanzure | next i need to super-impose an image of ray kurzweil on this image | 20:07 |
| cluckj | put the TED logo on it too | 20:07 |
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| kanzure | "strategic partnerships -- Wellcome Trust" (not really, but i'm sure they'd be cool with this, they'd dig it) | 20:08 |
| cluckj | haha | 20:08 |
| cluckj | INTERDISCIPLINARY | 20:08 |
| cluckj | no no, STEM education | 20:09 |
| cluckj | that's hot now | 20:09 |
| kanzure | "fact: the u.s. student debt bubble is going straight into the pockets of elsevier and other military-industrial academic publishing houses" | 20:09 |
| fenn | international arms traders | 20:10 |
| kanzure | oh right, let's throw in some geopolitics | 20:10 |
| kanzure | actually i think we could reasonably get an audience with at least one or both of them. | 20:12 |
| fenn | http://biocurious.com/2006/08/17/elsevier-scientific-publisher-and-arms-trader | 20:12 |
| cluckj | hah | 20:12 |
| fenn | to be fair, they divested from the arms trade, but it's still good rhetoric | 20:13 |
| cluckj | I wonder which skeletons are in proquest's closet | 20:13 |
| fenn | going back to 1938 and working directly for the OSS in WW2 they probably have quite a few skeletons | 20:14 |
| cluckj | you mean they might be literal nazis... | 20:15 |
| fenn | well, no | 20:15 |
| kanzure | that they might have literal skeletons? | 20:16 |
| fenn | heh yeah | 20:17 |
| kanzure | google might be a better fit for this | 20:17 |
| kanzure | they like knowledge | 20:18 |
| fenn | good luck with that | 20:18 |
| cluckj | hah | 20:18 |
| fenn | might have been easy when they were in the mood 2007 ish | 20:18 |
| fenn | also i'm not sure giving google an even larger monopoly on access to information is such a good idea | 20:19 |
| kanzure | well, i was thinking eric schmidt or something | 20:19 |
| kanzure | not google actual | 20:20 |
| fenn | and they don't have a very good track record of supporting projects for more than a few years before dumping all the data in the trash can | 20:20 |
| cluckj | why haven't they already bought them all up and thrown the databases into google books? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | hessel knows sergey brin pretty well | 20:20 |
| fenn | wtf who is this guy | 20:21 |
| cluckj | ? | 20:21 |
| cluckj | hessel knows everybody, I think | 20:21 |
| kanzure | it's not hard to know everyone | 20:22 |
| kanzure | and lecturing at singularityu for so long probably helped too. but he was fine before that. | 20:23 |
| fenn | oh that's probably it | 20:23 |
| kanzure | i mean you could ask the same question about me, really. and it's just lots of preparation plus luck plus opportunity engineering. | 20:23 |
| fenn | i guess i just have a hard time believing that abusing the conference-speaking circuit is that powerful | 20:24 |
| kanzure | it's often not about the actual talks, although that does help others approach you | 20:25 |
| cluckj | he gets paid by autocad to mingle | 20:25 |
| kanzure | fenn knows him from before autocad | 20:25 |
| kanzure | he might not know about autocad heh | 20:25 |
| cluckj | lol | 20:25 |
| fenn | i watched the multi-scale cad software video | 20:26 |
| kanzure | was that a hessel video? | 20:26 |
| cluckj | gregarious dude + expense account = meets everyone | 20:26 |
| kanzure | i really wouldn't blame the expense account... i mean he was like this before autocad. | 20:26 |
| cluckj | it certainly doesn't hurt | 20:27 |
| cluckj | cya, time to get some sleep | 20:27 |
| fenn | nite | 20:27 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyohe. | 20:34 |
| JayDugger | er...everyone. | 20:35 |
| kanzure | good to see sqlmap still around | 20:38 |
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| kanzure | slides: science stats/motivation, how science works, growth (papers), how papers get published (lifecycle diagram), academic publishers, power-law distribution of academic publishers, academic publishing inefficiency estimates, contributions of academic publishing inefficiency to global scientific progress inefficiency, elsevier acquisition cost estimate, springer acquisition cost estimate, quantified humanitarian benefit, current ... | 21:31 |
| kanzure | ... status, long-term strategy, next steps, team | 21:32 |
| kanzure | probably can condense some of the details into a more succinct argument | 21:32 |
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| nmz787 | howdy | 22:18 |
| yoleaux | 25 Nov 2015 11:31Z <chris_99> nmz787: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3D-priter-control-board-MKS-SBase-V1-0-32-s-Motherboard-compatible-Smoothieware-open-source-firmware/32410815670.html | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | ah yes, saw that | 22:18 |
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