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| Alcyius | someone needs to get a bouncer | 08:53 |
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| kanzure | more about icestorm fpga stuff http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/article-j1a-swapforth.html | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | how can I easily orchestrate some website clicking, text pasting, and more clicking? | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | papa johns wont stop sending me spam pizza emails, and their unsibscribe button nor 'give feedback' buttons work on their page | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | so I want to just keep pinging them until they like blacklist me or something | 10:36 |
| kanzure | phantomjs, webkitgtk+ plus python (gobject bindings), casperjs, etc. | 10:37 |
| kanzure | you could also just watch the actual network-level requests and repeat them using python-requests or mitmproxy or whatever | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i | is there a 'stupider person' way? like some GUI that I can click 'record' and it just replays what I do? | 10:38 |
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| nmz787_i | i.e. I navigate to the URL, paste text, click 'send' then restart from the beginnign | 10:39 |
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| nmz787_i | Intel MKL enhanced Python (I think mainly numpy and scipy) www.bit.ly/intel-python | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | reference here to using it in GROMACS too https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-mkl-and-third-party-applications-how-to-use-them-together | 10:51 |
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| kanzure | "how do you know you actually had a conversation?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10772215 (and my reply) | 11:04 |
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| Alcyius | I was reading some religious nut job's objections to transhumanism | 11:09 |
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| Alcyius | And someone shut them down by saying that they wouldn't act like that to veterans with prosthetics | 11:09 |
| Alcyius | also has anyone here tried alternate sleeping patterns with any success? | 11:11 |
| kanzure | well fenn is on year 20 of a 25-hour day, does that count? | 11:13 |
| Alcyius | Kinda, but I do that already | 11:14 |
| Alcyius | I mean like that, 4 hours awake, half an hour sleep | 11:14 |
| kanzure | yes people have tried that | 11:14 |
| kanzure | including myself. | 11:14 |
| Alcyius | how'd it go? | 11:15 |
| kanzure | poorly. | 11:15 |
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| Alcyius | good to know | 11:15 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | I sleep about 6.5 hours a night | 11:17 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | it should be 7 | 11:17 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | but I get by with melatonin and zma | 11:17 |
| Alcyius | Melatonin has really bad effects on me | 11:17 |
| Alcyius | Gives me the worst nightmares | 11:17 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | kanzure : Meredith wrote a Thing: http://status451.com/2015/12/21/totalizing-politics-and-insurance-rackets/ | 11:17 |
| kanzure | she tends to do that | 11:18 |
| kanzure | Aurelius_Work2: also https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c | 11:20 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | kanzure : yeah, I've read most of her existing stuff | 11:20 |
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| nmz787_i | Alcyius: interesting... I've taken many many melatonin tablets at once and always seemed to have 0 effects | 11:45 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, might be that my family has a history of grave's disease | 11:45 |
| Alcyius | might be that I'm in generally poor health | 11:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3wm1v2/f_diet_gas_discharge_vizualization_biophotons_in/ | 12:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | what. | 12:16 |
| archels | that explains everything! | 12:18 |
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| nmz787_i | Alcyius: to be honest, when I was mega-dosing melatonin I was looking for it to either: knock me out like a strong benzodiazapene, OR induce lucid dreams / psychedelia.... neither happened... but it sounds like the latter case happens to you, at least in a slight manner, more effectively than for me | 12:22 |
| nmz787_i | .wik graves disease | 12:22 |
| yoleaux | "Graves' disease, also known as toxic diffuse goiter and Flajani-Basedow-Graves disease, is an autoimmune disease that affects the thyroid. It frequently results in hyperthyroidism and an enlarged thyroid." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graves_disease | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3lv5o7/relectromagnetics_is_being_hacked_information/ | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh. my. god. | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | these people are nutjobs | 12:22 |
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| nmz787_i | I thought raw almonds are gamma sterilized | 12:24 |
| nmz787_i | does that count as pasteurization (Which i thought was heat-treatment) | 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | https://www.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/3kcj2e/i_was_heavily_zombie_zapped_for_attending_the/ | 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy crap | 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | this guy is an epic troll | 12:24 |
| Alcyius | Anyone here maintain a multi of related subs? | 12:28 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, what am I reading | 12:30 |
| Alcyius | What is /r/electromagnetics and why are those posts insane/trolling? | 12:30 |
| Alcyius | Oh | 12:30 |
| Alcyius | "electromagnetic" sensitivity people | 12:31 |
| Alcyius | My great-grandpa thinks he has that | 12:31 |
| Alcyius | He doesn't | 12:31 |
| Alcyius | It's all fucking placebo | 12:31 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | schizophrenics | 12:32 |
| Alcyius | I mean | 12:34 |
| kanzure | i think i'm gonna ban all the reddit users | 12:34 |
| kanzure | who among you are reddit users? please raise your lightsabers. | 12:34 |
| Alcyius | I read reddit, but rarely, rarely post | 12:34 |
| Alcyius | It's pretty insane tbh | 12:34 |
| kanzure | guilty. | 12:35 |
| kanzure | off with your head | 12:35 |
| Alcyius | as charged I guess | 12:35 |
| Alcyius | Where can I pick up my new one? | 12:35 |
| Alcyius | And it better have those upgrades I requested | 12:35 |
| nmz787_i | well all the evidence points to ELF as being the most impressive statistically in human sensitivity studies (to EM fields) | 12:36 |
| nmz787_i | ELF being e.g. 60 Hz | 12:36 |
| nmz787_i | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/biological%20radio%20research/ | 12:37 |
| Alcyius | I remember reading a double-blind study that showed that so-called Electrosensitivity disorders were placebo effect | 12:37 |
| Alcyius | Ugh I'm trying to recover files from a computer with a failing drive and a broken screen | 12:39 |
| Alcyius | It's not going well | 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: this is all insane shit | 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I find about that sub because their leader posted in /r/paleo | 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I downvoted the post and reported it as spam | 12:40 |
| Alcyius | the paleo diet is stupid as hell too | 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | You do realize the paleo diet is just removing substances that are known to cause problems in most people, right? | 12:41 |
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| Alcyius | I mean the concept. The idea that what we hate in some arbitrary period of the past is somehow better for us because its more natural | 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | Oh, see, thats the strawman | 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | paleo is just badly named | 12:41 |
| Alcyius | There are a lot of people who subscribe to it that think that way though | 12:41 |
| Alcyius | And just in general | 12:42 |
| Alcyius | The idea that natural is somehow better | 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has nothing to do with what our ancestors ate... it is merely where the research started... in the 70s. | 12:42 |
| nmz787_i | well there's obviously a lag in evolution and adaptation | 12:42 |
| Alcyius | Poison ivy is natural but you ain't gonna eat that | 12:42 |
| nmz787_i | otherwise smog wouldn't be a breathing problem | 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: exactly, thats literally the argument paleo followers have against the faux news types | 12:42 |
| Alcyius | I swear one of these days I'm going to sell all natural free range poison ivy toilet paper | 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and, frankly, we're tired of those idiots | 12:42 |
| kanzure | i bet there's a way to cook poison ivy | 12:42 |
| Alcyius | And insane rich people will buy it | 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | kanzure: there isnt. | 12:42 |
| Alcyius | WHY WOULD YOU TRY | 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | kanzure: poison ivy tea burns the whole way throgh | 12:42 |
| nmz787_i | Diablo-D3: maybe you didn't cook it enough or correctly? | 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | it literally can kill a person | 12:43 |
| Alcyius | I'm just mad because some of the health food stores nearby, while they have some good stuff | 12:43 |
| kanzure | also i am going to start adding snake venom to all my food | 12:43 |
| Alcyius | Have a bunch of really stupid "all natural" shit | 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | kanzure: your _insides_ will itch. a sensation you didnt even know was possible. | 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | But yes, "all natural" means squat shit | 12:44 |
| Alcyius | I'd have less of a problem with it | 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | I live in a world where science took hold, not magic | 12:44 |
| Alcyius | If these weren't the people also trying to get out of vaccinating their crotch fruit | 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | And there is no science that says eating ground up grain and massive amounts of refined sugar is safe. | 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | And I'm living proof that it isn't safe | 12:44 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, I don't have a problem with the paleo diet itself, a lot of it is actually really well researched, and it has a lot of good supporters | 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dropped grains and refined sugars and legumes from my diet completely | 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | went from 340 pounds to 214 in a year, with no increase in caloric burn or decrease in caloric intake | 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then not too long after, 184. | 12:46 |
| Alcyius | But the reason I support all these things is cuz I wanna live a hedonistic life style and if I can't eat the foods I like then what's the point :P | 12:46 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | I'm 165, in incredible shape, and eat the shit out of grain and sugar | 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: I do not miss them. | 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | Aurelius_Work2: yes, some people, grains don't "hack" their fat cells | 12:46 |
| nmz787_i | I try to practive paleo so I can excuse my weekly twinkie indulgence | 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesn't mean you won't die of a heart attack or a stroke later. | 12:46 |
| Alcyius | I mean, I should be on a better diet in general | 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | And re: eating foods I like | 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | now that I know how to cook | 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I find most "sweet" foods to be rather tasteless and bland | 12:47 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | sweet food, savory food, spicy food, I eat it all | 12:47 |
| Alcyius | Paleo diet just gets rid of most of the grains and refined sugar right? | 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: all of it, yes | 12:48 |
| Alcyius | So rice and veggies and meat and stuff are still good | 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | rice is a grain, its gone | 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | so is soy | 12:48 |
| nmz787_i | but also emphasizes animal fats and organs | 12:48 |
| nmz787_i | soy is a legume | 12:48 |
| Alcyius | yeah I couldn't do that. I have to use a lot of rice replacement products | 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | nmz787_i: it doesnt emphasize it, although many paleo people do | 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: why? | 12:48 |
| nmz787_i | Diablo-D3: well most paleo just refer to weston a price | 12:49 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, whey intolerance | 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: ... so? milk is off the list as well, btw | 12:49 |
| Alcyius | Yeah | 12:49 |
| Alcyius | See | 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | only lactose free hard cheese remain, and only in sane amounts | 12:49 |
| nmz787_i | yep, that's farming era... not the pre-farming hunting-only | 12:49 |
| Alcyius | A lot of my favorite foods are rice | 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | rice is probably the least damning grain | 12:49 |
| nmz787_i | I don't think lactose free cheese counts as paleo | 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | nmz787_i: it does. | 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | just dont pig out on it. | 12:50 |
| nmz787_i | I allowed white rice and white flour back in because they're essentially just pure carb, not much grain remnants left over | 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | lactose is largely what damns dairy product, as its not any different than refined sugar | 12:50 |
| nmz787_i | and I don't mind gluten | 12:50 |
| nmz787_i | Diablo-D3: I thought it was more that milk in general was in the agricultural era | 12:50 |
| nmz787_i | which paleo says is still too new | 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | nmz787_i: no, because you're doing the strawman shit | 12:51 |
| nmz787_i | ? | 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | paleo is not against something because of what era it comes from | 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise we couldnt eat beef or pigs either | 12:51 |
| nmz787_i | those certainly existed (and still do ) in the wild | 12:51 |
| Alcyius | Someone needs to invent an artificial stomach that means I don't need to bother with diet | 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | beef and pigs in their current forms were bred in the past two or three thousand years or so | 12:51 |
| Alcyius | This discussion reminds me of the whole Americapox idea | 12:51 |
| nmz787_i | Alcyius: pressure cooker | 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | nmz787_i: but yes, paleo damns things because of their biological role | 12:52 |
| nmz787_i | Diablo-D3: yeah but bred for taste | 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | if the food contains chemicals in a form that causes malfunctions in our biology | 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | then we drop it | 12:52 |
| Alcyius | Aka, the reason there were no plagues to come over from the new world is because the only domesticable animal in the Americas were llamas | 12:52 |
| nmz787_i | and efficiency to grow on a farm | 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, yes, I also personally subscribe to a high fat high protein diet | 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is not something that is paleo, although being paleo makes it much easier | 12:53 |
| nmz787_i | I defer most questions like these to jrayhawk_: then I interpret his answers and mangle them to my own liking | 12:53 |
| Alcyius | Oh yeah | 12:53 |
| nmz787_i | feast and famine is also something I try | 12:53 |
| Alcyius | Does anyone have a multi-vitamin suggestion that won't make me gag? | 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, paleo people often take vitamin D supplements | 12:53 |
| nmz787_i | but I generally calorie restrict too | 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | vitamin D supplements were invented in the past 50 years | 12:54 |
| Alcyius | I have a very severe gag reflex | 12:54 |
| nmz787_i | Alcyius: rectal tablets? | 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: well, you might have problems becoming a gay prostitute. | 12:54 |
| Alcyius | God damnit both of you | 12:54 |
| nmz787_i | take it out of the loop completely! | 12:54 |
| Alcyius | Just cuz I like giving blowjobs doesn't mean I can't have a gag reflex | 12:54 |
| Alcyius | Amazing source of protein btw | 12:55 |
| nmz787_i | let me contaminate my amazon search statistics a bit... | 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: <3 | 12:55 |
| Alcyius | I wonder | 12:55 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | someone did the math on blowjobs for protein actually | 12:55 |
| Alcyius | If getting a vasectomy messes with the nutrional value of that | 12:55 |
| Alcyius | Aurelius_Work2, really? | 12:55 |
| Alcyius | Wow | 12:55 |
| nmz787_i | amazon doesn't seem to have vitamin D suppositories... many E though | 12:55 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, I'm not taking it anally | 12:56 |
| Alcyius | I save that for fun stuff | 12:56 |
| nmz787_i | being healthy is fun! | 12:56 |
| Alcyius | I just need one that doesn't stink to the high heavens | 12:56 |
| nmz787_i | relative to being unhealthy | 12:56 |
| Alcyius | Even if I went on an amazing diet, and started exercising, I'd never be really healthy | 12:56 |
| Alcyius | too many hereditary things | 12:56 |
| Alcyius | Also I can't really exercise, any sweat and I break out horribly | 12:57 |
| nmz787_i | very large branches are falling outside in my yard... one that could have knocked me out came to rest in a bush just 2 ft from the window I am sitting in front of | 12:57 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, congratulations on being in the divergent path where you survived | 12:58 |
| Alcyius | And my condolences to the version of you that didn't | 12:58 |
| Alcyius | Hobby: Driving recklessly to kill off close copies of me in the multiverse | 12:58 |
| nmz787_i | I think I need to find someone with one of these instruments: http://www.fakopp.com/site/fakopp-3d | 12:58 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 12:58 |
| yoleaux | ArborSonic 3D Acoustic Tomograph | Fakopp Enterprise | 12:58 |
| nmz787_i | Alcyius: interesting idea | 12:59 |
| nmz787_i | what does it say about someone if they have many or few multiverse copies of themselves in current existence? | 12:59 |
| nmz787_i | luck, fitness, other stuff? | 13:00 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, if you have 1 copy, then you have an infinite number | 13:00 |
| Alcyius | and that depends | 13:00 |
| nmz787_i | 'all 1%ers found to have least multiverse copies of all people' | 13:00 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, a dead copy is still a copy | 13:00 |
| Alcyius | In fact, the people with the "least" number of copies are probably extremely boring | 13:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | then jesus christ | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | Because that means there aren't many ways their lives can diverge | 13:01 |
| nmz787_i | percent uptime per copy then | 13:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I must have the most multiverse copies | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | Again | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | That depends on your view of the theory | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | Some people posit that from your personal view, you're always in a part of the multiverse where you survived | 13:01 |
| nmz787_i | Alcyius: that is an interesting way to look at it, re: boring -> less divergence | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | In that way, it's impossible to "die" | 13:01 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, it also depends, does every single decision make a divergence, or only significant ones? | 13:02 |
| Alcyius | In the first one, there's a version of me that parts his hair to the other side | 13:02 |
| Alcyius | In the second one, there's one who never dated someone, or got therapy earlier | 13:02 |
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| Diablo-D3 | So out there somewhere | 13:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | is a me that is happy? | 13:03 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, i mean | 13:04 |
| Alcyius | Depends | 13:04 |
| Alcyius | We have no idea how this works | 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | most likely it doesnt work | 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just made up gobbly gook | 13:04 |
| Alcyius | Well, these things are more relevant on the quantum scale | 13:05 |
| Alcyius | It's entirely possible that we're just deterministic machiens | 13:05 |
| Alcyius | IN which case, there is only one version | 13:05 |
| Alcyius | Because no choice we make is meaningful anyways | 13:05 |
| Alcyius | Yay for Nihilism | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | I think a more meaningful question is, whether or not this stuff works... what use would it be to use here and now? | 13:06 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, I mean | 13:06 |
| Alcyius | There's an extremely easy way to test | 13:06 |
| Alcyius | Pick up a gun and shoot yourself in the head | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | why would it matter if one of 'you' out there was 'happy' | 13:06 |
| Alcyius | If this is all true, it won't fire | 13:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: so how am I conscious? | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i | still 'sucks' for you relatively | 13:07 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, who says you are | 13:07 |
| nmz787_i | why wont it fire? | 13:07 |
| Alcyius | Consciousness is just a grab-bag of things that are special about humans that we've decided to classify as a thing | 13:07 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, if Multiversal Immortality is real, then events will always conspire to keep you alive from your perspective | 13:07 |
| Alcyius | To all of us you'd be dead | 13:07 |
| Alcyius | But then maybe you could abuse it to your advantage | 13:07 |
| nmz787_i | but that assumes the perception spans all 'verses | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | which doesn't seem right, in the context of brain uploading | 13:08 |
| Alcyius | Which is why my money's on us just being deterministic machines with no true consciousness, but maybe we can add that in when we hit version 2.0 | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | unless we haven't figured out 'versal wifi, or unversal consciousness connection...etc | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | (thus the biological radio link I dropped earlier) | 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Alcyius: yeah, but I have an internal state | 13:09 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, you have a bunch of openly contentious clusters of neurons in open competition with each other, along with various signals from throughout your body along with autonomous systems that tricks itself into thinking its a continuous whole | 13:09 |
| nmz787_i | if a cell phone could be implanted in my skull, why cant the neurons already have figured that sort of long-distance or quantum link out | 13:09 |
| nmz787_i | so I kind of stopped thinking about such stuff in an abstract way, and figure I should just make quantifiable progress in any way I can | 13:10 |
| Alcyius | I'm looking for it but I can't find it right now | 13:10 |
| nmz787_i | my accomplishment this month is I now have a new workbench | 13:10 |
| Alcyius | There was an article about how some neurologists are thinking that each half of your brain is independently "conscious" and that your perception of a single you is a carefully maintained illusion | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | have you read any of Rick Strassman's work? | 13:11 |
| kanzure | you are asking why neurons haven't figured out antennaes? | 13:11 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, if you wanted to do that | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | this seems to be the least explored area for long-distance or quantum comms | 13:11 |
| kanzure | how about because none of the interesting electromagnetic phenomena happen anywhere near the materials available to random nearby mutations? | 13:11 |
| Alcyius | well | 13:11 |
| Alcyius | yeah what kanzure said | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: idk how the quantum links work, if they're EM | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: but we have eyes which are EM antennas | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | we can see stars with them | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | so that's pretty long range | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | though line-of-sight | 13:12 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, there's also that our brains are too big to access quantum stuff | 13:12 |
| kanzure | Alcyius: what? | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | yeah I second that "what" | 13:13 |
| nmz787_i | isnt the D-wave pretty small? other than cooling or something? | 13:13 |
| Alcyius | Like, the neurons aren't going to be dealing with heisenberg's uncertainty and stuff | 13:13 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: yes but visual spectrum is not one of those interesting things; "red" does not travel far through flesh. | 13:13 |
| nmz787_i | also there are the discredited french guy's papers about DNA resonance | 13:13 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: but if we were all linking to some galactic router, we just need to have no clouds in the sky or something | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | maybe the paleo people want to get back their third eye | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | did we lose them since we left the paleo era ? :P | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: I've also thought about the security aspects of this, line of sight vs multi-directional | 13:15 |
| nmz787_i | it seems tribalism is pretty inbuilt into animals and other creatures | 13:16 |
| nmz787_i | so that would have to be a consideration when thinking about evolution, loss/gain of such function | 13:16 |
| nmz787_i | did disney make all the star wars movies? | 13:18 |
| Alcyius | no | 13:18 |
| nmz787_i | I was surprised to see that on facebook | 13:19 |
| nmz787_i | (The last one) | 13:20 |
| kanzure | disney bought star wars a few years ago | 13:20 |
| Alcyius | No one here remembers the original star wars if you think about it | 13:20 |
| Alcyius | You remember bits and pieces of it, but you automatically associate it with the edits and the expanded universe | 13:21 |
| Alcyius | No one can remember the idea of Star Wars as a singular, complete movie | 13:21 |
| Alcyius | (Fun fact, it wasn't called Episode IV: A New Hope when it first released) | 13:21 |
| kanzure | that's not surprising, given lack of 1977 torrent (there are some close contenders but afaik nobody found the original) | 13:21 |
| Alcyius | It's pretty freaky though | 13:21 |
| Alcyius | how bad our memory is | 13:22 |
| nmz787_i | i watched a back to the future documentary recently and they did something similar | 13:23 |
| Alcyius | also, is anyone else here Childfree? | 13:23 |
| nmz787_i | in the theater they didn't have a 'to be continued' at the end of the movies | 13:24 |
| nmz787_i | but when they released on VHS they added it, since they'd got funding for the next by that time | 13:24 |
| Alcyius | I have a lot of trouble watching all those movies | 13:24 |
| Alcyius | They remind me a lot of my dad | 13:24 |
| Alcyius | Good memories, but still | 13:24 |
| Alcyius | Just, old sci-fi and fantasy movies in general | 13:24 |
| nmz787_i | nah I want kids so I can attempt to compete with the people who will contribute to our future 'idiocracy' | 13:25 |
| Alcyius | Heh, one of my favorite movies was the 1965 classic The Great Race, cuz we watched it with him | 13:25 |
| nmz787_i | and also legal child slaves | 13:25 |
| nmz787_i | their small hands will solder very very well! | 13:25 |
| Alcyius | children aren't science kits you know | 13:25 |
| Alcyius | But yes | 13:25 |
| Alcyius | They do indeed solder well | 13:25 |
| Alcyius | I speak from experience | 13:25 |
| nmz787_i | I'm pretty sure we're all science kits | 13:25 |
| nmz787_i | I have a hard time not buying educational toys for the children of friends I know | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i | since they need guidance to really make an impact | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i | but I also don't really want to start a childrens school either | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | which has come up as a result of the reception of takeitapart.com | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | (or camps or workshops) | 13:27 |
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| nmz787_i | idiocracy seems to be inevitable though | 13:31 |
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| nmz787_i | pretty decent https://blog.korelogic.com/blog/2015/12/11/unplugging_iot_from_the_cloud | 13:33 |
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| Alcyius | Except that's like | 13:34 |
| Alcyius | Really, really wrong | 13:34 |
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| nmz787_i | which? | 13:34 |
| Alcyius | The average IQ, weighted against a constant standard, rises with every generation, due to the Flynn effect | 13:34 |
| Alcyius | Greater access to information via the internet means we're living in one of the most informed generations ever | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | can the IQ test be poorly constructed? what if it's testing against bullshit facts? | 13:35 |
| Alcyius | The reason people think we're getting dumber is because that same innovation allows for the idiots to be loud | 13:35 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, IQ is weighted so 100 is always average | 13:35 |
| Alcyius | If you weighted it today, people a century ago would have an average of 70 | 13:35 |
| Alcyius | And that's because all it measures is someone's skill at learning | 13:36 |
| Alcyius | It's a nonstatic score that's not indicative of general intelligence in the least | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | mlp posted this recently http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/the-cathedral-of-computation/384300/ | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | basically seems like internet connectivity just makes it easier to herd masses like cattle even easier | 13:37 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, people have been herding masses like cattle since forever | 13:37 |
| Alcyius | The internet is a different way to do it, and it makes it more noticeable | 13:37 |
| nmz787_i | but if there's reason to believe we aren't actually getting dumber (overpopulation seems to go against this to me though), then I'm glad! | 13:37 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, the problem isn't that we're getting dumber or not | 13:38 |
| Alcyius | It's that it's a stupid question | 13:38 |
| Alcyius | What are you measuring? | 13:38 |
| Alcyius | Individual memory is going down, but that's ok because it's all at our fingertips anyways | 13:38 |
| Alcyius | Meanwhile the ability to find and use large amounts of information is on the rise | 13:39 |
| Alcyius | People are alwyas going to complain that we're getting dumber because we're shifting our intelligence to areas that weren't emphasized when they were a kid | 13:39 |
| kanzure | losing memory is not okay | 13:39 |
| nmz787_i | if I lost connectivity, it would suck | 13:39 |
| nmz787_i | moreso for all the ppl who burned their dead-tree format materials | 13:39 |
| Alcyius | kanzure, it's a temporary problem, we're just shifting it to a digital "prosthetic". Now we just have to wait till its integrated into our biology | 13:40 |
| Alcyius | nmz787_i, if we permanently lost connectivity, yeah that'd be horrible | 13:40 |
| nmz787_i | also if EMP hit, we'd lose most of that data | 13:40 |
| Alcyius | But we'd have bigger problems to worry about | 13:40 |
| nmz787_i | solar flare, etc | 13:40 |
| nmz787_i | dead-tree isn't affected in that case | 13:40 |
| nmz787_i | idk how much microfiche is being produced these days | 13:40 |
| Alcyius | That's why there are massive secure data storage centers built to be EMP resistant | 13:41 |
| Alcyius | And google still backs up a ton of data on microfilm and magnetic tape | 13:41 |
| nmz787_i | wouldn't magnetics be screwed? | 13:41 |
| Alcyius | If there's a strong enough EMP to wipe out their data at multiple locations that's stored in secured locations with dozens of feet of concrete protecting them | 13:42 |
| Alcyius | We have more to worry about than the lost data | 13:42 |
| Alcyius | Plus, our loss of memory is mostly an atrophy problem, which can be fixed simply by using it more often and more rigorously | 13:43 |
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| nmz787_i | what other than power/phone-grid fires, explosions, etc? | 13:43 |
| nmz787_i | (would we have to worry about in that case)? | 13:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | [04:09:43] <Alcyius> Diablo-D3, you have a bunch of openly contentious clusters of neurons in open competition with each other, along with various signals from throughout your body along with autonomous systems that tricks itself into thinking its a continuous whole | 13:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | [04:11:23] <Alcyius> There was an article about how some neurologists are thinking that each half of your brain is independently "conscious" and that your perception of a single you is a carefully maintained illusion | 13:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | but isn't that just multiple personality disorder? | 13:44 |
| Alcyius | Diablo-D3, I wouldn't know, I'm not a neurologist | 13:44 |
| Alcyius | I know enough about the body to say that removing certain parts that aren't even in the brain are enough to cause massive personality changes | 13:44 |
| Alcyius | And enough to extrapolate that that might mean that consciousness is more complicated and we might only have the illusion of it | 13:45 |
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| Alcyius | also ironic hell for science professionals | 13:50 |
| Aurelius_Work2 | we don't even know if 'mpd' is real | 13:50 |
| Alcyius | Physicists get to choose between the frictionless vacuum or the infinite plane of uniform density | 13:50 |
| Alcyius | Aurelius_Work2, I have a friend who's been diagnosed with it | 13:50 |
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| Alcyius | And a professor who worked in a psych ward that specialized in that | 13:52 |
| Alcyius | But again, I'm not convinced that it's not another condition that creates "idnetities" as a coping mechanism for something | 13:52 |
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| Alcyius | are potatoes allowed on the paleo diet? | 14:06 |
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| Diablo-D3 | white? "yes" but they're rather high in starch, so most people avoid them | 14:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | sweet potatoes are fine though | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | consciousness is irrelevant. | 14:44 |
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| AdrianG | irrelevant to what? | 14:46 |
| Alcyius | To our goals | 14:46 |
| archels | but how will we upload the philosophers | 14:47 |
| AdrianG | pretty sure its actually rather central, instead. | 14:47 |
| Alcyius | AdrianG, what we mean is that as long as we can make a reasonable fascimile, the philosophical question of what it is, or if it even is a thing, is irrelevant | 14:48 |
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| kanzure | yeah i mean even 90% memory loss, or 99.999% memory loss, would be an amazingly useful development. | 14:49 |
| Alcyius | I mean, given time, we'll have that anyways | 14:49 |
| AdrianG | memory isn't consciousness. | 14:49 |
| nmz787_i | Alcyius: that sounds reasonable... basically stop worrying about why, and start to think practically | 14:49 |
| nmz787_i | 'how' | 14:49 |
| AdrianG | Alcyius: create a fascimile? | 14:49 |
| nmz787_i | AdrianG: upload a copy of yourself | 14:49 |
| nmz787_i | .g facsimile | 14:50 |
| yoleaux | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile | 14:50 |
| Alcyius | Or a reasonable approximation | 14:50 |
| nmz787_i | .wik facsimile | 14:50 |
| yoleaux | "A facsimile (from Latin fac simile ('make alike'), a spelling that remained in currency until the late 19th century) is a copy or reproduction of an old book, manuscript, map, art print, or other item of historical value that is as true to the original source as possible. It differs from other forms of reproduction by attempting to …" — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile | 14:50 |
| Alcyius | Especially for the rest of the body | 14:50 |
| Alcyius | The only important part that you need to get copied is the brain | 14:50 |
| Alcyius | The rest can be approximated | 14:50 |
| AdrianG | hopefully our thinking process doesnt't require quantum machines to replicate. | 14:52 |
| kanzure | https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases | 14:53 |
| nmz787_i | AdrianG: meh, that would only mean our capability is greater, right? | 14:53 |
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| nmz787_i | it would mean we're quantum beings | 14:53 |
| AdrianG | nmz787_i: and possibly uncopyable. | 14:54 |
| kanzure | re: memory isn't "consciousness"- first, i wouldn't care about that, but also, i suspect that even 0.0000001% "consciousness" would be useful. | 14:54 |
| Alcyius | Oh wow I forgot about parasyte | 14:54 |
| AdrianG | kanzure: how would you even measure 0.001 or whatever amount of it? | 14:55 |
| Alcyius | Is Mr. Osomatsu any good? | 14:55 |
| Alcyius | whoops | 14:55 |
| Alcyius | wrong channel | 14:55 |
| kanzure | AdrianG: it's immeasurable because it's imaginary | 14:56 |
| AdrianG | i.e. we are automata, etc? | 14:57 |
| kanzure | as opposed to what ? | 14:57 |
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| AdrianG | kanzure: what if its immeasurable because its binary | 14:59 |
| AdrianG | you are either on or off. | 14:59 |
| kanzure | and what are the consequences of off? | 14:59 |
| AdrianG | we dont even fully know what on means, i think | 15:00 |
| AdrianG | even easy problems, like attention, are very poorly understood at the moment. | 15:00 |
| kanzure | yeah i have no problem ignoring this. sounds like a waste of time. | 15:02 |
| kanzure | attention is pretty well understood. | 15:02 |
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| AdrianG | we would have to understand conciousness in order to fully understand attention. | 15:03 |
| AdrianG | im talking about this in biomedical sense. | 15:04 |
| AdrianG | we've only recently realized some "brain-dead" patients aren't really dead. coma, anaesthesia, locked-in syndromes - they aren't very well understood at all. | 15:05 |
| kanzure | that sounds more like a complaint about the definition of brain dead, rather than a useful definition of consciousness | 15:05 |
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| AdrianG | kanzure: we have known ether can produce anaesthesia since 1500s | 15:09 |
| AdrianG | its what we still use to this day, mostly. | 15:09 |
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| AdrianG | does that sound like something we've figured out? | 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | AdrianG: except for the fact that | 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of brain dead patients | 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | have no ecg | 15:10 |
| AdrianG | it's of course halogenated ethers today, but basically the exact same chemical. | 15:10 |
| sparqz | Anyone have any good tips on hacking the brain? | 15:10 |
| AdrianG | ecg or eeg? | 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | e... whatever the fuck the brain is | 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | eeg? | 15:11 |
| AdrianG | no ecg will probably end your brain in a few minutes. | 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | no brainwaves | 15:11 |
| archels | there's degrees of consciousness. people have developed quantitative scales for this | 15:12 |
| archels | AdrianG: interesting comment, re the anaesthesia | 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay so | 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a theory | 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know how in movies theres scenes with people stuck in the dream world, and the outside world keeps hinting to them how to wake up? | 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently in my dream, I talk to people on IRC | 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | because Im doing it right now | 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what makes me think this is all a dream? | 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I keep being told to think positive because it attracts good things | 15:14 |
| nmz787_i | think bad so it attracts bad things works too though | 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, worried about money? dont, because that doesnt attract money | 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im like | 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | but logically, that cannot change anything because whats inside the inner universe doesnt effect the outer universe | 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet, everyone keeps saying this, and sometimes even proves it works | 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, this universe must be inside the dream | 15:16 |
| nmz787_i | got 2 8bitdo bluetooth controllers today | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: whats a good emulator for android? | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | (game e\umulator | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | grrr | 15:24 |
| nmz787_i | not keyboarding well today | 15:24 |
| kanzure | i think there's a gambatte port for android | 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | what, no snes9x port? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | i don't remember. | 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | snes9x is eevverryywhheerree | 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not even that good of an engine | 15:31 |
| nmz787_i | my friend doesn't know how to play video games... so I am not sure what to introduce them to... i guess mario and mario kart | 15:32 |
| * Diablo-D3 should dig out an emu and play earthbound again | 15:32 | |
| nmz787_i | well this /is/ a dream, so you have plenty of time to waste! | 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope pretty sure im dying | 15:33 |
| nmz787_i | well also I think kanzure would advocate self-learning or something to make wise use of dream-time | 15:37 |
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| archels | you're not dying, you're living | 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | no see | 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | why else is it trying to wake me up so badly | 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if Im not dying | 15:45 |
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| FourFire | SpaceX Success! | 17:41 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, love your commitment to lifelogging | 17:55 |
| FourFire | > Alcyius> Melatonin has really bad effects on me <Alcyius> Gives me the worst nightmares | 17:56 |
| FourFire | find a way to defeat the nightmares, I have. | 17:56 |
| Alcyius | My nightmares are weird | 17:58 |
| Alcyius | No images and disjointed audio but I just wake up in terror with myheart racing | 17:59 |
| nmz787_i | FourFire: spacex video link? | 18:00 |
| nmz787_i | I can't find anything on the webcast page now | 18:00 |
| nmz787_i | oh, got it | 18:02 |
| nmz787_i | https://t.co/ABesypRsWK | 18:03 |
| nmz787_i | translatest to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4&feature=youtu.be&t=41m47s | 18:04 |
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| FourFire | > what does it say about someone if they have many or few multiverse copies of themselves in current existence? | 18:10 |
| FourFire | Average Micromort exposure | 18:10 |
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| FourFire | > <Alcyius> also, is anyone else here Childfree? | 18:14 |
| FourFire | what did you mean? | 18:14 |
| Alcyius | FourFire, Consciously choosing to not have children | 18:14 |
| Alcyius | as a lifestyle choice | 18:15 |
| FourFire | > <Alcyius> But we'd have bigger problems to worry about | 18:17 |
| FourFire | "The boat is sinking anyway, so lets make sure there are no intact lifevests on board!" | 18:17 |
| FourFire | We've "got bigger problems" right now, that doesn't mean everything ecept the single largest problem should be ignored | 18:18 |
| Alcyius | That wasn't the point I was trying to make | 18:19 |
| Alcyius | He was saying that our reliance on the internet as a prosthetic memory wasn't a good thing, I was arguing that the only things that would cause the internet as a whole to end that catastrophically would be much worse problems than just the internet being gone | 18:20 |
| Alcyius | Anything capable of permanently disrupting the internet on a worldwide scale would likely cause a restructuring of society as well | 18:22 |
| Alcyius | A CK-End-of-the-World Scenario. | 18:22 |
| Alcyius | Most important things that you'd personally want to know are what foods you can eat and grow in your area for proper nutrition, and how to store enough food to last the winter | 18:23 |
| Alcyius | Couople books on proper diet and area-appropriate farming and you're good | 18:23 |
| Alcyius | I live near amish country so I'd actually have it pretty good in that event | 18:23 |
| FourFire | yes I am currently not planning to have children | 18:23 |
| FourFire | I figure investing the resources into personal prodcutvitity will produce a better payoff | 18:24 |
| Alcyius | I just hate kids | 18:24 |
| FourFire | Well that too, and I've personally experienced that even people who really care about being good parents can't fill the parent role very well | 18:25 |
| FourFire | I expect not to be a good parent, so why risk burdening the world with more broken people | 18:25 |
| Alcyius | this is hilarious | 18:27 |
| FourFire | ? | 18:29 |
| Alcyius | watching a show | 18:30 |
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| Alcyius | this rice is weird | 18:42 |
| Alcyius | It's very | 18:42 |
| Alcyius | coarse? | 18:42 |
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| cluckj | like not cooked in enough water, or for not long enough? | 18:59 |
| Alcyius | Not cooked long enough I think | 18:59 |
| cluckj | cook it more | 19:00 |
| Alcyius | It's chipotle | 19:01 |
| Alcyius | That's not really an option anymore | 19:01 |
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| cluckj | oh | 19:07 |
| cluckj | bummer | 19:07 |
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