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| kanzure | http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/22/y-combinator-demo-day-winter-2016/ | 06:04 |
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| kanzure | "uber for birth control" | 06:04 |
| kanzure | "gecko robotics - industrial safety inspections done by robots" | 06:04 |
| kanzure | "airmada - automated ground stations for drones" | 06:09 |
| kanzure | "hykso - fitbit for boxing and MMA athletes" hah | 06:17 |
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| archels | kanzure: re the pruning thing, "dropout" learning is common now, although it's not exactly the same as pruning | 08:14 |
| SDr | http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93481/artificial-intelligence?referrer=gWSpFSbVYDwdmpKS2kqovw2 | 08:14 |
| archels | what you tend to find often in neural nets, is that a large proportion of the weights is very small | 08:14 |
| archels | by eliminating all the small weights (i.e. below some threshold), performance and generalisability can actually improve | 08:15 |
| archels | it's a fairly old technique, but I don't know any good references offhang | 08:15 |
| archels | offhand | 08:15 |
| maaku | kanzure: it's official, we're in a bubble | 08:28 |
| maaku | (but then you can say that about every YC demo day..) | 08:28 |
| maaku | archels: that makes the weight matrix more sparse, right? | 08:29 |
| archels | exactly, yeah | 08:36 |
| archels | depending on how you're propagating your network it could lead to speed improvements as well | 08:37 |
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| kanzure | maaku: i like this research group. they seem to do actual studies regarding theoretical computational neuroscience stuff. | 09:03 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, death bed? | 09:39 |
| maaku | .title http://www.rntz.net/files/datafun.pdf | 09:43 |
| yoleaux | maaku: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page. | 09:43 |
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| kanzure | FourFire: i was checked into the emergency room a few days ago... had a nasty fall and ate some concrete. had influenza, strep and an ear infection. | 09:44 |
| FourFire | hmm, a bit of immature "my number is bigger than yours" posturing around 27 hours ago, rather dissapointing... | 09:45 |
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| FourFire | Jawmare, ok, cool, I'm trying nicotine gum + caffine pill togetherm for today | 09:52 |
| FourFire | I don't want to get addicted to nicotine so I'm using one gum, (4mg) up and spacing the next by a week's time | 09:53 |
| FourFire | today I managed to resetup my IDE for Java and resolved the problem which revented me from coding for the past 2+ months, which is progress which I might attribute to the influence of these nootropics | 09:54 |
| FourFire | kanzure, wai! cause of eating said concrete preventable? | 09:55 |
| Jawmare | not sure if it is related, but the nausea effect might be related to my stack (caffeine, L-Theanine, noopept, a-GPC) | 09:55 |
| maaku | FourFire: yes, destroy gravity | 09:55 |
| FourFire | I'm considering that once I do get BCI working at all, I'm just going to shove it and just wear a motorcycle helmet eveyrwhere outside, and slowly integrate more technology into it over time | 09:55 |
| FourFire | my lump of grey meat is way too precious to just go waving around barely protected... | 09:57 |
| FourFire | maaku, I'm meaning preventable at the time of accident. | 09:57 |
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| nmz787_i1 | isn't there evidence of the 'rBST free' milk companies just using some analogue that isn't called rBST, such that they can still label their milk 'rBST free'? | 11:09 |
| nmz787_i1 | (yet still gain benefit from the hormonal treatments) | 11:10 |
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| maaku | .title http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2016/03/machine-learning-in-cloud-with.html | 13:31 |
| yoleaux | Research Blog: Machine Learning in the Cloud, with TensorFlow | 13:31 |
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| nmz787_i1 | hmm, this seems pretty cool: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/olo3d/olo-the-first-ever-smartphone-3d-printer | 14:23 |
| nmz787_i1 | .title | 14:23 |
| yoleaux | OLO - The First Ever Smartphone 3D Printer. by OLO 3D Inc. —Kickstarter | 14:23 |
| nmz787_i1 | basically a near-field resin printer | 14:23 |
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| FourFire | Invited someone to this channel. | 15:57 |
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| FourFire | hmm, interesting, I'd buy an otherwise useless fondleslab just to use this with a higher print volume | 16:00 |
| FourFire | I'd be interested in the minimum screen brightness for that to work. | 16:01 |
| archels | .title http://merkle.com/merkleDir/brainAnalysis.html | 16:19 |
| yoleaux | Large Scale Analysis of Neural Structures | 16:19 |
| archels | 1989 | 16:19 |
| archels | "Despite the uncertainty about when, eventual success seems assured." | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | archels: you know about the 1990s mind uploading research group? | 16:30 |
| archels | ah, I'm not sure that I do | 16:32 |
| archels | was it a mailing list? | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | archels: they built equipment and did brain scanning things. eugen leitl et al. | 16:35 |
| kanzure | archels: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/nematodeuploadproject/ | 16:35 |
| archels | do we have the archives somewhere? | 16:38 |
| kanzure | that's all i have | 16:39 |
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| kanzure | i used to have a photo of their equipment | 16:42 |
| kanzure | this image does not seem to be in that directory | 16:42 |
| archels | ah the messages appear to be on Yahoo at least https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/murg/ | 16:44 |
| kanzure | https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/murg/conversations/messages?messageStartId=1967&archiveSearch=true | 16:46 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 16:46 |
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| archels | kanzure: did you hear Robin Hanson speak about his upcoming book? | 17:28 |
| archels | apparently he was at the Future of Finance conference a few days ago | 17:29 |
| kanzure | nope didn't hear | 17:30 |
| maaku | topic of book? | 17:31 |
| kanzure | "eliezer is a brain slug please send help" by robin hanson | 17:33 |
| c0rw1n | lol | 17:33 |
| archels | maaku: whole-brain emulation | 17:34 |
| archels | he affectionately calls an uploaded person an "em" http://ageofem.com/ | 17:34 |
| c0rw1n | oh. that. thought there already was a book. he wrote a sequel ? | 17:34 |
| kanzure | hehe "privacy" does not appear in his table of contents | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i am not really convinced that emulation life will look like this. it looks like "traditional person stuff applied to computers". why would that make sense? it doesn't. | 17:41 |
| kanzure | it doesn't make sense to directly work with your main processes | 17:42 |
| kanzure | also, i would be surprised if augmentations wouldn't more cheaply make use of hardware (e.g. if you can only generate some sort of economic profit by running an emulation of a person, then you can probably get a better return not running a /person/ if you have all this brain software). | 17:44 |
| c0rw1n | it's a ridiculously unlikely conjunction, but then hanson is an economist. i suspect he took a few trends and extrapolated them beyond absurdity, while discounting the rest of the (anti-inductive!) system they operate in and over | 17:45 |
| kanzure | i know that it makes sense to paint brain uploading as "your life but just continued inside computers" but that's probably the dumbest way to utilize computer time if you have a working method of uploading | 17:46 |
| kanzure | risk tolerance is much higher (like for dangerous exploratory behavior at bottom of ocean) because of multiple instances and backups | 17:51 |
| Aurelius_Home | kanzure : my one conversation with Hanson he didn't know the difference between 'AI' and 'control systems' | 17:51 |
| Aurelius_Home | and assured me that ai experts had told him they were making little progress in ai solving professional automation problems | 17:52 |
| kanzure | time also has a slightly different meaning in uploader-land... you don't have to sit around doing nothing when you don't have anything to actually do. so for entire seconds you can be waiting on particular interrupts or whatever. | 17:52 |
| kanzure | (this is especially relevant because the first few emulations might not be running in "real time" anyway) | 17:52 |
| kanzure | i think most people imagine something like "well you get scanned into a computer, and then you walk around in second life and sometimes you use physical robots to interact with the physical world while you are doing your daily errands" but again i think this is probably the dumbest way to imagine software working out favorably for us | 17:54 |
| kanzure | visual input is mostly because it's a standard interface that works pretty well, but in software land you don't need this, you can have far more direct information processing. most of the human brain is doing really standard stuff like audio decoding and feature detection.. meh. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | viewing the brain as an unchanged software component is dumb. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | will probably be more like a market of qualitatively-different cognitive information processing over different authorized streams of data. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | i probably don't have the verbal skills necessary to express the exact opposite from "login to second life and then fumble for your virtual physical key for your barbie dreamhouse" | 18:06 |
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| kanzure | .title http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/akins_laws.html | 18:54 |
| yoleaux | Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design | 18:54 |
| kanzure | meh most of that is worse than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemantics | 18:57 |
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| kanzure | fenn: a friend of mine is insisting that i should do a residency at media lab, do you want to do this in my place | 20:09 |
| kanzure | apparently you just show up and say you are doing a residency? | 20:14 |
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| Orpheon | kanzure, all of these more advanced interfaces sound like they need training, though. Moreso than just plugging people into a second life (or a robot) for starters | 20:25 |
| Orpheon | and even then, maybe vision really helps thinking (sketches etc) | 20:27 |
| Orpheon | not sure that would disappear all that quickly from uploaded minds | 20:27 |
| kanzure | a lot of what the brain does is basic operating system stuff, which becomes redundant | 20:28 |
| Orpheon | probably, but that operating system might be slightly different in different people, and entangled with things you don't want to influence too much (like personality or creativity) | 20:30 |
| kanzure | "too much" is a matter of perspective :P | 20:34 |
| Orpheon | at first, right after uploading? I..guess.. if you're willing to take that plunge, I expect most people to want to first do the transfer, and then slowly start researching interfaces | 20:36 |
| Orpheon | not axe half the brain before they awaken | 20:37 |
| kanzure | information content of the brain is probably less than 1% of the entire thing | 20:39 |
| kanzure | so "axe half" is long gone :) | 20:39 |
| Orpheon | yeah, but which? I'm cautious even of separating from the body, because stuff like hormones and arousal levels and breathing rate and all that is a factor in computation and a way for the brain to know what other parts of it are doing | 20:40 |
| Orpheon | separating the brain..you're waiting for people to actually untangle the entire mechanism | 20:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: digital currency initiative at mit is willing to sponsor a week or two of "fly someone out here and then have them meet with literally everyone at mit media lab and do brain dumps" .... i think you should do this with me. | 20:41 |
| Orpheon | once we're there or have some experience with uploading, maybe we'll get those optimisations in, but certainly not the first uploads | 20:42 |
| kanzure | Orpheon: uploading is not that unique, most brains have the same structure, it's filling in various details. long before you have a working upload, you'll have a working proto-upload (basically ai). | 20:43 |
| Orpheon | hmm, ok | 20:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: yeah i think i am going to insist that you join me for that | 20:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: basically the plan would be to harass all the people about all the things | 21:08 |
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| delinquentme | dooooo we have anyone who works in COMSOL? | 21:35 |
| nmz787_i | I think I tried it once | 21:39 |
| nmz787_i | it were complexificated | 21:39 |
| nmz787_i | it wanted variables up the wazoo, for units I had no idea how to relate with | 21:39 |
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| Aurelius_Home | delinquentme : not since 2012 | 22:15 |
| Aurelius_Home | passing out tho | 22:15 |
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