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| pasky | https://deepspaceindustries.com/team/ not sure if your typical startup lineup :) | 00:47 |
| nmz787_i | .title http://www.aaroncake.net/projects/12vminicompressor.htm | 00:59 |
| yoleaux | Mini 12V Air Compressor | 00:59 |
| nmz787_i | Do you plan to sell this compressor? "At the moment, no, I have no plans to develop this as a commercial product. If you really want one, I could probably make you one. The cost would be somewhere around $250, there would be no warranty, and it would take 6 months before I ship. Email me if you are interested." | 00:59 |
| nmz787_i | heheh | 00:59 |
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| kanzure | https://www.fastcompany.com/28121/they-write-right-stuff | 08:32 |
| archels | "A pound of thrust is how much thrust it would take to keep a one pound object unmoving against the force of gravity on earth." | 08:40 |
| archels | geez guys, just switch to metric already | 08:40 |
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| maaku | archels: that would be a more complex explanation (newtons vs kilograms) | 09:27 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11474002 | 09:29 |
| yoleaux | Notes on Google's Site Reliability Engineering Book | Hacker News | 09:29 |
| kanzure | "This reminds me of Nygard's point in Release It! that your theoretical best SLA is the product of your dependencies' SLAs, e.g. 0.999 * 0.999 = 0.998. But in the world of microservices, this logic seems likely to make you underestimate your uptime." | 09:30 |
| kanzure | "Regarding "theoretical best", I think that is "in the absence of mitigations". I think you can build a service with a higher SLA than one of its dependencies, but only if you recognize that impedance mismatch and build in defenses." | 09:30 |
| kanzure | "Building reliable services out of unreliable dependencies is a part of what we do. At the lowest level, we're building services out of individual machines that have a relatively high rate of failure, and the same basic principles can be applied at every layer of the stack: make a bunch of copies, and make sure their failure modes are uncorrelated." | 09:30 |
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| kanzure | http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html | 09:56 |
| archels | maaku: one Newton is the force required to accelerate a 1 kg object at a rate of 1 m/s² | 10:03 |
| maaku | archels: whereas lbs is a unit of force so the mapping doesn't involve gravitational constants | 10:03 |
| archels | "the force of gravity on Earth" is about as bad as Fahrenheit being defined with respect to "human body temperature" | 10:04 |
| xentrac_ | it's awfully convenient for calculations of things that happen on Earth | 10:06 |
| xentrac_ | I mean there are a large number of small forces that are generated by the weights of masses | 10:07 |
| xentrac_ | fortunately 10m/s² is within 2% of the correct acceleration | 10:07 |
| xentrac_ | http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/yuri-milner-zuckerberg-starshot-interstellar-centauri/477669/ seems perhaps relevant here, although reaching Alpha Centauri doesn't really take us to posthumanity in any meaningful way | 10:10 |
| xentrac_ | it seems likely that they'll want to make significant advances in related technologies though, things like MNT (although they seem to not be counting on that) | 10:10 |
| xentrac_ | also it is wonderful that Freeman Dyson is meaningfully still alive | 10:11 |
| maaku | esmerelda: the disruptive business plan was a property and futures market for space resources, compliant with international space law | 10:15 |
| Betawolf | they're planning on earth-based laser propultion | 10:15 |
| maaku | ...why Alpha Centauri? | 10:16 |
| maaku | there are *really* interesting, possibly habitable star systems just a few light years further, which doesn't add much to the travel time | 10:16 |
| Betawolf | brand recognition, I guess. People have heard of AC. | 10:17 |
| xentrac_ | they're hoping to do other, more likely habitable star systems a few years later | 10:18 |
| Betawolf | "Breakthrough Listen, will invest $100 million over 10 years in the most comprehensive and sensitive search ever undertaken for evidence of civilizations beyond Earth" "Breakthrough Listen, will invest $100 million over 10 years in the most comprehensive and sensitive search ever undertaken for evidence of civilizations beyond Earth" | 10:19 |
| maaku | Bernard's Star would have been my choice | 10:19 |
| Betawolf | woops, second was meant to be "Breakthrough Message is a $1 million annual prize for digital messages representing Earth and humanity, that could be decoded by another civilization.". Anyway, he's an alien-chaser. | 10:20 |
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| archels | what's everyone's favourite text/code editor? currently using an old version of sublime2, it's not bad | 10:32 |
| maaku | vim or emacs | 10:33 |
| archels | not a chance | 10:34 |
| archels | notepad++ is my pick on Windows, but it doesn't emulate very well via wine | 10:34 |
| archels | ideally it's something that runs well on Linux | 10:35 |
| xentrac_ | yeah, vim or emacs | 10:35 |
| xentrac_ | although I tolerate Eclipse for the Java project | 10:35 |
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| nmz787_i | archels: I use a mix of sublimeText (3 I think, whatever the free beta was/is), PyCharm (both win and linux), and notepad++ (win) | 11:15 |
| kanzure | "also it is wonderful that Freeman Dyson is meaningfully still alive" yes this is convenient | 11:16 |
| xentrac_ | http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html/2 seems to be a new popularization of the Singularity thesis | 11:17 |
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| pasky | Hey, I'd like to ask for a second round of startup-naming suggestions, if you could take a peek at our revised list - http://pastebin.com/PaxtYffC (hopefully last, sorry for the bothering!) | 12:43 |
| pasky | mainly if something sounds really bad (or really good!) to you | 12:43 |
| nmz787_i | ailao sounds like an AI company that is Laotian-based | 12:44 |
| pasky | hmm, doesn't have to be a too bad thing i guess :) | 12:44 |
| nmz787_i | we.are.ai seems pretty good, but also english-focused (you mentioned czech people not remembering the current name, so I assume you want to make it easier for them, seems they're the target market) | 12:45 |
| kanzure | pasky: name yourselves "cognitive containment" | 12:45 |
| pasky | nmz787_i: i think everyone relevant in cz will understand that one :) | 12:45 |
| nmz787_i | the other names don't really make sense/ring-a-bell for me... monk.ai seems a bit strange, as I think of monks as being pretty secluded/cloistered | 12:45 |
| pasky | we think of them as these martial arts zenbuddhist monks that take care of any task patiently | 12:46 |
| pasky | but good point! | 12:46 |
| nmz787_i | genius.ai was taken? | 12:46 |
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| pasky | yep | 12:47 |
| nmz787_i | dang, and no one wants simply "supersmart.ai" | 12:47 |
| pasky | haha | 12:47 |
| pasky | a bit childish i guess | 12:47 |
| archels | pasky: Permanent Brain | 12:47 |
| pasky | kanzure, archels: (thanks - i'll run these by my partner; they aren't bad, though i'm not that excited about them either :) | 12:48 |
| kanzure | massivegenius.com is still available | 12:49 |
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| kanzure | pasky: use http://leandomainsearch.com/ | 12:50 |
| pasky | hmm my partner used something similar, all of them have .ai available, .com available is sorta bonus since mostly everything is taken there | 12:52 |
| pasky | oh sorry misunderstood how it works from the front page :) | 12:52 |
| pasky | RedHotMind.com ? | 12:53 |
| kanzure | noticed a company the other day launched a small marketplace for "bots", intended for integrations between saas tools | 12:55 |
| kanzure | the pitch seemed to be something like, "use our product because otherwise you will suffer the consequences of platform lock-in from whatever platform you originally wrote your bot for" | 12:55 |
| kanzure | obv. this is for things that are not bots (like basic messaging applications) | 12:55 |
| kanzure | but helpful part is using standard marketplace and standard interface for different implementations | 12:56 |
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| xentrac_ | I guess http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html is actually Tim's real attempt to popularize the Singularity | 13:31 |
| maaku | pasky: honestly the only one that stands out is monk.ai | 13:35 |
| pasky | I think for us it's a lot about finding the balance between standing out and not feeling ashamed of ourselves when we say the company name ;) | 13:36 |
| maaku | xentrac_: it's Tim's attempt to regurgitate bostrom | 13:36 |
| pasky | but maybe standing out is more important | 13:36 |
| pasky | not sure... we'd like to stand out with our products, but of course that's rosy-glasses optimism | 13:36 |
| maaku | pasky: you need a narrative. your name will come from and evoke that narrative | 13:37 |
| xentrac_ | maaku: yeah, or Eliezer | 13:38 |
| xentrac_ | but it ended up more readable than either of them, despite his fuzzy grasp of some of the details | 13:38 |
| maaku | xentrac_: bostrom regurgitates eliezer. it's many layers of recycled vomit by now | 13:42 |
| maaku | pasky: factoid I haven't seen anyone use yet (but your current name reminded me): the Chinese character for 'love' 愛 is pronounced AI | 13:44 |
| xentrac_ | I think he predates eliezer's thinking in some ways | 13:44 |
| cluckj | "progress" is pretty ill-defined | 13:52 |
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| pasky | maaku: yeah, it's also in japanese, but we aren't terribly romantic types; i agree with your point, but we spent so many hours on this already... and google, kaggle or skype didn't have a narrative either | 14:03 |
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| maaku | pasky: why do you mean? google absolutley has a narrative, and their branding comes straight from it | 14:05 |
| xentrac_ | Sky hype! | 14:05 |
| xentrac_ | Googol | 14:05 |
| maaku | a word that simultaneously represents incomprehensible amounts of data, and child-like playfulness | 14:05 |
| maaku | it totally feeds into their narative | 14:05 |
| xentrac_ | well, incomprehensible amounts of something | 14:06 |
| xentrac_ | could be oranges | 14:06 |
| maaku | hrm. i wonder what the surface gravity would be of 1 googol of oranges | 14:06 |
| maaku | by surface I mean event horizon | 14:07 |
| pasky | ok, maybe all native english speaker have an association to googol - it always seemed like a really obscure word to reference that i've never heard otherwise | 14:08 |
| maaku | https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+googol+of+oranges | 14:08 |
| xentrac_ | maaku: that's about 1.1 light-years in radius | 14:09 |
| maaku | pasky: sorry, I forgot your Czech. Yes 'googol' is obscure, but not an unknown word. | 14:09 |
| pasky | I see! | 14:09 |
| maaku | I like that Wolfram Alpha gives nutritional facts for 1 googol of oranges | 14:09 |
| xentrac_ | pasky: I think almost all native English speakers know it, because most of us go through a phase as kids where we are ambitious to be able to name larger numbers | 14:09 |
| xentrac_ | and a googol is about as big as it gets before you understand exponentiation | 14:10 |
| xentrac_ | Related Queries: | 14:11 |
| xentrac_ | sugar in 55 vigintillion baked potatoesmagnesium in 93 billion peachesvitamin E in 6 billion croissantscalories in 25 hubble volume of jamniacin in 23 sun masses of beef jerky | 14:11 |
| xentrac_ | uh, I said 1.1 light years | 14:11 |
| xentrac_ | I left out the × 10¹⁶ on that | 14:11 |
| maaku | xentrac_: 1 googol of oranges has a Schwarzschild radius of 2.2e56 light years | 14:12 |
| maaku | i think we just destroyed the universe | 14:12 |
| xentrac_ | how do you calculate that? | 14:12 |
| maaku | 2 * m * G / c^2 | 14:12 |
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| xentrac_ | it seems like the answer you got is too large | 14:13 |
| xentrac_ | but I also get 6.2e56 | 14:14 |
| xentrac_ | You have: 2 * .76 g/cc * spherevolume(5 cm) * 1 googol * G / c^2 | 14:14 |
| xentrac_ | You want: lightyears | 14:14 |
| xentrac_ | I thought large black holes could be not very dense on average, like, less dense than oranges | 14:15 |
| xentrac_ | oh | 14:15 |
| maaku | xentrac_: well it's all compressed to a point (we think) | 14:15 |
| xentrac_ | of course. how stupid of me | 14:15 |
| maaku | but the Schwarzschild radius is the distance of the event horizon from that point | 14:15 |
| xentrac_ | right | 14:15 |
| xentrac_ | I was just thinking that this meant that the googol of oranges *wouldn't* be a black hole | 14:16 |
| xentrac_ | but they would, with an event horizon 40 orders of magnitude further out than the initial surface of the oranges | 14:17 |
| xentrac_ | so indeed the average density inside the event horizon would be very small indeed | 14:19 |
| xentrac_ | if only you could find a universe large enough to fit it in | 14:19 |
| xentrac_ | maybe in the far future | 14:20 |
| cluckj | would the colors shift due to the gravity that they would no longer be orange? | 14:21 |
| xentrac_ | if you're inside the event horizon? who knows? | 14:23 |
| xentrac_ | I mean presumably you wouldn't be able to see them | 14:23 |
| nmz787_i | I only really have ever heard of "googol" in the word "googolplex" in the movie "back to the future" | 14:30 |
| maaku | cluckj: the light would be orange-shifted, yes | 14:34 |
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| streety | nmz787_i did you have any particular interest in the compressor you linked to earlier? I quite like the look of http://www.mytekcontrols.com/2014/06/aspen-19cc-compressor-dissected.html | 14:54 |
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| maaku | When I solve eternal youth I'm going to make receiving it conditional on taking and passing a massive rationalism and scientific literacy course | 17:43 |
| kanzure | that one's already solved dude, it's called reproduction | 17:53 |
| kanzure | could you focus on long-term machine reliability. biological reliability also OK. | 17:54 |
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| maaku | kanzure -- possible alternative to solving biology: i | 18:43 |
| maaku | Create a digital intercranial bridge | 18:43 |
| maaku | And wire yourself to a child. | 18:44 |
| maaku | That's probably an old trope in science fiction which proves I don't read enough. | 19:02 |
| pasky | can't remember seeing that in scifi | 19:07 |
| pasky | (well, i don't read that much either anymore; maybe i'll sometime read that book series elon musk uses to name drones after) | 19:08 |
| cluckj | that sounds awful | 19:10 |
| cluckj | kid brains are notoriously unreliable | 19:10 |
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| streety | I hadn't realized Elon Musk was taking inspiration for names from fiction. The Culture series is entertaining | 19:20 |
| streety | The non-sci-fi books are good as well. Though a little dark | 19:20 |
| superkuh | streety, like, "The Quarry"? | 19:26 |
| superkuh | Depressing book especially since it was covering dying while he was dying. | 19:27 |
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| pasky | ah, The Culture, right! | 19:31 |
| streety | I haven't read The Quarry, actually there are probably more I haven't read than I have. I think I have only read Complicity, Canal Dreams, and Espedair Street | 19:33 |
| maaku | cluckj your more structured thought patterns would dominate the infantile mind, overwriting it and making the new body an extension of yourself | 19:57 |
| kanzure | george church recommended incubating another brain and just feeding it most of the same input and output data | 20:05 |
| kanzure | and then there's the pig abdomen brain incubation stuff | 20:05 |
| kanzure | "eternal youth" always struck me as the wrong goal because there's a lot of things that ain't youth that would be pretty OK | 20:14 |
| kanzure | most probably the highest quality we can get is brain vitrification and scanning with various antibody markers | 20:14 |
| kanzure | for emulations, especially based on incomplete scan data (or less scan data or zero scan data), the task is much easier because we know how to deal with data | 20:15 |
| kanzure | and for everyone else there's eventual cryonics but it might take a while to get better gene therapy, or a few generations for breeding to work out productively for cryoresuscitation | 20:16 |
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| kanzure | oh actually, for "eternal youth", i had previously speculated on a few ways to use selective breeding to make "young blood rejuvenation" actually work. obv. this wont work for the presently living humans (unless we figure out the details and then have way better gene therapy options available). | 20:22 |
| maaku | kanzure the goal is continuity of personhood, not brain replication per SE, for those of us that care about such things | 20:30 |
| maaku | Also this lets stiff like selective breeding help existing people | 20:31 |
| maaku | But moot point I suppose as MNT will arrive on shorter time scales | 20:31 |
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