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| JayDugger | Thank you for that link, Superkuh. The video doesn't convince me (that actor's a ham), but it seems perfectly possible. | 07:41 |
| JayDugger | I wonder how much difference people can tolerate between visual motion cues and vestibular cues from that headset and goggles combination. | 07:42 |
| kanzure | http://maybelogic.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/robert-anton-wilson-on-finnegans-wake.html | 07:43 |
| kanzure | "Murray Gell-Mann, the Nobel Prize winner, got his three-quark model out of FW." | 07:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.finwake.com/ | 07:45 |
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| JayDugger | Ah, nice. Wasn't Patrick Gunkel a fan too? (Never did track him down.) | 07:47 |
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| maaku | i got around to reading that Cuneiform paper and was rather disappointed that their solution to "nobody preserves the hardware code executes on!" is "let's design a new VM nobody will use!" | 10:31 |
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| kanzure | frankly my solution of forcing people to stop making software seems much more stable | 12:03 |
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| kanzure | maaku: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11512892 | 12:11 |
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| maaku | uh, even more of missing the picture | 12:50 |
| maaku | these archival people should take a cue from the game emulation community | 12:51 |
| maaku | and start archiving emulations of various compute platforms in that way | 12:51 |
| kanzure | there was a game emulation project to make a single platform for a bunch of emulators, | 12:51 |
| kanzure | openemu? | 12:52 |
| kanzure | hmm no that doesn't look right | 12:53 |
| maaku | why have a single platform? | 12:53 |
| maaku | i don't understand that | 12:53 |
| kanzure | this one https://github.com/libretro | 12:53 |
| kanzure | http://www.libretro.com/index.php/mission/ | 12:54 |
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| maaku | yeah still don't get it. you're not going to have more than a handful of programs ported to any arch | 12:57 |
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| maaku | a digital archival movement is a good thing. but it should work to increase the resiliance of the network of emulators, not try to force push everything onto some made up arch no one uses | 12:57 |
| pasky | my most favorite retro thing was a pdp/11 emulator that let me bootstrap 2.11 BSD UNIX | 12:59 |
| kanzure | obv. the correct solution is to reimplement everything as bitcoin script and just pay the blockchain to store the data forev----- | 12:59 |
| * kanzure is killed by a thousand bitcoin developers at once | 13:00 | |
| pasky | super mario blockchain? | 13:01 |
| maaku | kanzure: killed? i think your average "bitcoin developer" is working on exactly that ;) | 13:03 |
| kanzure | these are the kinds of things that incentives people like us to invent novel and exotic versions of the guillotine | 13:05 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: used that retroarch? | 13:09 |
| nmz787_i | seems like it might be worth trying to get running on my old eeepc or maybe a raspi | 13:09 |
| maaku | Guillotine? That's so crude. Better and cleaner to just reprogram what their brains want to do. | 13:10 |
| catern | maaku: libretro is just a uniform interface to a bunch of different emulators | 13:17 |
| catern | what's the alternative to "pay the blockchain to store data forever" for data durability? | 13:17 |
| maaku | catern: task one is to prove that "pay the blockchain to store data" actually works | 13:18 |
| maaku | (it doesn't) | 13:18 |
| kanzure | plus, reorgs | 13:27 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: nope i haven't used libretro | 13:27 |
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| archels_ | https://wiki.conreality.org/images/cpaf-640x252.jpg | 13:42 |
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| _0bitcount | Is this channel a good place to chat about economics, especially in relation with technology? | 16:15 |
| maaku | probably not? | 16:21 |
| catern | _0bitcount: if you find a good place, I would like to hear about it | 16:26 |
| catern | i have long sought such a place | 16:26 |
| catern | maaku: here is probably as good as any? assuming _0bitcount means interesting economics rather than garbage economics | 16:27 |
| _0bitcount | Well I recently finished Jeremy Rifkin's "The Zero Marginal Cost Society" and I have mixed feelings about the author's predictions. | 16:28 |
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| maaku | catern: there was a '?' at the end of my sentence | 16:31 |
| catern | ok, ok | 16:32 |
| catern | a reasonable prior | 16:32 |
| catern | _0bitcount: you would have to summarize those predictions to discuss them, since some (including me) have not read that book | 16:33 |
| maaku | it's not off topic per se, but this channel is meant for more of the 'unsticking work' type of conversation, which far flung economic prognostication usually is not | 16:33 |
| _0bitcount | catern, basically Rifkin predicts a great societal change over time, in which "production in the commons", like in FOSS, will be the norm... | 16:34 |
| _0bitcount | ... and capitalism will only inhabit a few niches in the global economy. | 16:35 |
| _0bitcount | Which resonates strongly with my idealist self, except it mostly fails the reality test of most of what I've read about free markets and capitalism and the reasons for their existence. | 16:39 |
| maaku | _0bitcount: is the title to be taken literally? because unless he's gotten around the laws of thermodynamics there will never be a zero marginal cost | 16:40 |
| _0bitcount | maaku, almost. The idea is that exponential technologies and communal agreements (again, like in the FOSS community) are going to make most everyday objects and software basically free for everyone. | 16:42 |
| _0bitcount | Distributed, locally generated, green energy, etc... | 16:42 |
| maaku | _0bitcount: increase productivity by 1000x, and human beings will find 1000x things they desire | 16:44 |
| _0bitcount | When most open source / free software projects rely on scarce donations to go by, whereas walled gardens/platforms have millions in funding the same week they are launched. | 16:44 |
| maaku | these prognostications have existed since the dawn of the enlightenment, and never come true | 16:44 |
| _0bitcount | maaku, yes, that's my point. | 16:44 |
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| catern | _0bitcount: indeed that all sounds really dumb, read Robin Hanson instead | 16:46 |
| _0bitcount | catern, I'll do. | 16:47 |
| catern | his scenario, i think accurately, shows how a "epsilon marginal cost society" might not be a utopia but rather a hell | 16:48 |
| _0bitcount | I've been following Tim Worstall's column in Forbes, and he certainly seems more realistic with the hard, cold, realities of the world. | 16:48 |
| _0bitcount | So when I see Richard Stallman still clamoring for everybody releasing their software, and now hardware specs, as free software I think "what are the odds of that"... | 16:52 |
| _0bitcount | ... "when there are powerful incentives to create artificial scarcity?" | 16:52 |
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| maaku | I'm sure there are humans who find contentment in a marginal existence. However I'm not one of them, and I'm not alone. | 17:02 |
| maaku | I'm sure that once we've finished the largest tasks I can imagine -- converting Jupiter into computronium powered by a Dyson sphere around the sun, I'll have moved on to wanting more than such provincial ambitions. | 17:03 |
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| kanzure | indeed | 17:06 |
| _0bitcount | I've recently played with the idea that, as time and technology makes us all more interconnected, and provides for all of our normal, organic needs, we'll evolve in something of a collective mind. | 17:07 |
| _0bitcount | Eventually transcending individual, fleshy bodies. | 17:07 |
| kanzure | far more likely that minds will no longer be a concept and we'll realize that all the folk psychology was wrong | 17:08 |
| _0bitcount | Interesting. Could you develop that a little more, kanzure? | 17:09 |
| kanzure | "mind" is already underdefined, so "collective mind" is going to end up way worse and even more boring | 17:09 |
| _0bitcount | What are the alternative explanations for matter which is aware of itself in a complex way, if that is a valid definition? | 17:11 |
| kanzure | "aware of itself in a complex way" what? | 17:12 |
| kanzure | maaku: imho you should be considering a dyson swarm not a dyson sphere | 17:13 |
| _0bitcount | kanzure, sorry, I don't have a good grasp of whatever the concepts are in those fields regarding mind and conscience. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | _0bitcount: sounds like a waste of time | 17:14 |
| _0bitcount | OK | 17:14 |
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| _0bitcount | Finally, just I'll ask for advice, if you feel in the mood: How you people find the time and focus to become involved in that many things as I read about here? I barely can concentrate for a while, after 8-12 hours a day of $BORING_DAYJOB? | 17:21 |
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| pasky | well, Stallman is damn winning, imho | 18:14 |
| pasky | or at least keeping the status quo, against pretty big odds | 18:15 |
| kanzure | _0bitcount: well it's a little bit of adderall, some brain damage, "dayjobs" that aren't completely soul crushing, but mostly strong consternation regarding apparent lack of technological progress | 18:18 |
| pasky | I can't comprehend why someone able to join this channel and discuss sensibly is stuck at $BORING_DAYJOB | 18:20 |
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| kanzure | pasky: for eudoxia's case it is because uruguay | 19:08 |
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| kanzure | "RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: MICROWAVE IN THE BREAK ROOM DOING WEIRD THINGS TO FABRIC OF SPACE-TIME" | 21:27 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, so there's some event "Oslo blockchain day" happening at my workplace: should I bother skipping a couple of hours work to see, or is it uninteresting? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | FourFire: futuretech track doesn't look half bad | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | vinay gupta is a very good speaker as an example | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | see https://vimeo.com/161183966 | 23:09 |
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| FourFire | Alright I'll check it out if I can. | 23:31 |
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