2016-08-19.log

--- Log opened Fri Aug 19 00:00:30 2016
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ldleworkkanzure: you still use paperbot?01:03
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nmz787_github STL diffs are pretty nice: https://github.com/nmz787/python-brlcad-tcl/commit/5e57bef2f8acac4e5609e526759c5503ec12908801:29
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yoleauxAdded first implementation of 'connection points' which consist of a … · nmz787/python-brlcad-tcl@5e57bef · GitHub01:29
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wrldpcmblPer the earlier discussion:  Peter Rothman who just completed a thyroid regeneration trial is looking for something new to jump into.  He's all about self-experimentation.05:51
wrldpcmblThyroid?  Maybe thymus.05:53
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kanzureldlework: paperbot is currently not in use at the moment.06:51
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Regex__http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-08-revolutionary-method-brain-single-neuron-resolution.html08:03
kanzuretsk tsk, link to the source, not the journalist garbage08:15
kanzureoh it's mapseq. well in that case, read the channel logs.08:16
__mz_omay you relink the paper. grep didn't provide the link08:20
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/High-throughput%20mapping%20of%20single%20neuron%20projections%20by%20sequencing%20of%20barcoded%20RNA%20-%202016.pdf08:21
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Rosetta%20brains:%20A%20strategy%20for%20molecularly-annotated%20connectomics%20-%20Marblestone%20-%20Church%20-%20Boyden%20-%202014.pdf08:21
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/On%20optical%20detection%20of%20densely%20labeled%20synapses%20in%20neuropil%20and%20mapping%20connectivity%20with%20combinatorially%20multiplexed%20fluorescent%20synaptic%20markers%20-%20Mishchenko%20-%202010.pdf08:21
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Reconstruction%20of%20complete%20connectivity%20matrix%20for%20connectomics%20by%20sampling%20neural%20connectivity%20with%20fluorescent%20synaptic%20markers%20-%20Mishchenko%20-%202011.pdf08:21
kanzure"Fluorescent in situ sequencing (FISSEQ) of RNA for gene expression profiling in intact cells and tissues" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4327781/08:22
kanzurehttp://gnusha.org/logs/2016-07-14.log08:22
kanzurehttp://gnusha.org/logs/2016-07-13.log08:23
__mz_othank you08:25
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Conneconomics:%20The%20economics%20of%20large-scale%20neural%20connectomics%20-%20Marblestone.pdf08:27
__mz_oalso I see its apache, but what is powering the wiki?08:27
__mz_ois it just a git repo?08:27
kanzurewhile you guys are here, please also read:08:27
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Designing%20scalable%20biological%20interfaces%20-%20Marblestone.pdf08:27
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Reconstruction%20and%20simulation%20of%20neocortical%20microcircuitry.pdf08:28
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Whole-body%20and%20whole-organ%20clearing%20and%20imaging%20techniques%20with%20single-cell%20resolution:%20toward%20organism-level%20systems%20biology%20in%20mammals%20-%20Susaki%20-%202016.pdf08:28
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Physical%20principles%20for%20scalable%20neural%20recording%20-%20Marblestone.pdf08:28
kanzure"Continuous genetic recording with self-targeting CRISPR-Cas in human cells" http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/05/20/05305808:28
kanzure"Molecular recordings by directed CRISPR spacer acquisition" http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Molecular%20recordings%20by%20directed%20CRISPR%20spacer%20acquisition%20-%20Church%20-%202016.pdf08:29
kanzure__mz_o: wiki is built using ikiwiki, it's essentially a git repository and text-to-html compiler thingy08:29
kanzureinstructions for pushing updates are on http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ or you can use https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki08:30
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kanzureonline llvm-based c++ repl http://fiddle.jyt.io/10:38
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ldleworkkanzure: has it bit rotted or do you expect it to work12:17
kanzureit works.12:18
ldleworkwhy don't you use it anymore12:18
kanzurezotero setup is sort of annoying. that might have som bitrot.12:18
ldleworkkanzure: have you considered producing a docker image?12:18
ldleworkalso sorry for the questions randomly12:19
kanzureunfortunately if i was to run a docker container my sysadmin would murder me12:19
ldleworkI found it on github12:19
ldleworkkanzure: oh yeah?12:19
kanzureyeah he's great.12:19
kanzurealways looking out for people, 'n such12:19
ldleworklol can't tell whether you're being sarcastic :)12:20
ldleworkThis is a wierd channel, I never heard of it before12:20
kanzurethere's a little bit of sarcasm but also reality is a blend of everything12:20
ldleworkWhat is "hplusroadmap" supposed to mean12:21
kanzurehplusroadmap is described here- http://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap12:21
ldleworkNeat.12:22
ldleworkIs neuroscience a welcome topic?12:23
ldleworkI'm guessing so.12:23
kanzureyep12:23
kanzurehere's some stuff http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/12:23
ldleworkkanzure: have you heard of the Attention Schema Theory by Graziano?12:23
ldleworkI wonder if you could tell me how to feel about it12:24
kanzureyes that was mentioned in this one:12:24
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/Delegation%20to%20automaticity:%20the%20driving%20force%20for%20cognitive%20evolution%3f.pdf12:24
kanzureit was recently mentioned here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1185315112:25
ldleworkkanzure: I read Graziano's paper directly, but I'm not expert. Just wondering what others think.12:25
kanzureanyway, i don't really care about consciousness and i think it's a bad idea12:26
ldleworkWell, I'm not super interested in the subject experience bit either12:26
kanzurelike the question about "subjective experience" is just totally meaningless to me. why should i care whether it's subjective or not?12:26
ldleworkI just think its really cool to think that you have attention, an emergent process of signal competition12:27
kanzurei strongly doubt that i have attention12:27
ldleworkand then you have another system that "learns" the behavior of this system12:27
ldleworkerm...12:27
kanzureor self-awareness. in fact most girls agree with this assessment :).12:27
ldleworkhehe12:27
ldleworkI like the idea that, since various parts of your brain cannot "query" a process that the brain builds up a model of its behavior, so that other parts of the brain can know what's being attended to12:28
kanzurethere was one about some pile of neurons that compute saliency or something,12:28
ldleworkI find a lot of enjoyment at sort of just ... I don't know taking in how elegant things can be12:28
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/The%20expected%20value%20of%20control:%20an%20integrative%20theory%20of%20anterior%20cingulate%20cortex%20function.pdf12:29
kanzureoh that's called navel gazing12:29
ldleworkyeah that12:29
ldleworkif you want to equate wonderment with narrowmindedness I suppose :)12:30
kanzurepaperbot needs a component written to query across multiple ezproxy servers, or to fetch from scihub instead of only submitting to scihub12:32
ldleworkkanzure: if you are interested in improving paperbot I might be motivated to try to build a nice image for it12:33
ldleworkThere are some other channels on freenode that could benefit from a thing like paperbot (if I understand its function correctly)12:33
kanzurei am sure others would appreciate that kind of pull requet12:39
kanzure.. pull request12:39
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chris_99does anyone think 3d printers could come down a lot more in price, i've not really seen a price graph per year14:57
kanzure"The people I know who are trying it have a version where each benzene ring can attach to a different cysteine - so it just rips it apart depending on its isomer. The trouble is designing the cysteines such that they can form both connections to the azo benzene since it is somewhat geometrically constrained."14:57
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kanzurethesnark: *poke*16:03
thesnarkhey kanzyre16:04
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kanzuremolecular assemblies seems to have requested that the content of their patent application be withdrawn or something? not sure what's going on there16:14
kanzurehttps://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US9279149.pdf16:14
kanzurehttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=9279149.PN.&OS=PN/9279149&RS=PN/927914916:14
kanzurecontent is available there^16:14
kanzure"The invention provides improved methods for synthesizing polynucleotides, such as DNA and RNA, using enzymes and specially designed nucleotide analogs. Using the methods of the invention, specific sequences of polynucleotides can be synthesized de novo, base by base, in an aqueous environment, without the use of a nucleic acid template. Because the nucleotide analogs have an unmodified 3' OH, i.e., as found in "natural" deoxyribose and ...16:14
kanzure... ribose molecules, the analogs result in natural polynucleotides suitable for incorporation into biological systems."16:14
kanzureah here we go, http://pimg-fpiw.uspto.gov/fdd/49/791/092/0.pdf16:18
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CaptHindsightcleavable couplers/linkers17:48
kanzurethere are many.17:49
CaptHindsightand they recycle the unused portions17:49
CaptHindsightat least you'll be able to buy or make these17:52
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CaptHindsightwere the previous patents on cleavable linkers not broad enough?17:54
kanzureprobably this is just a random land grab. "take previous efforts, apply to nucleotides".17:54
CaptHindsightseems like it17:55
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kanzureiirc these people have are related to something about oligonucleotide synthesis methods17:55
kanzurethis was mentioned in the ancient backlogs; i don't remember the specifics. maybe it was something about the original abi machines?17:56
CaptHindsighthttp://www.molecularassemblies.com/team.html17:57
kanzure"before joining Applied Biosystems as the 9th employee ... There he hired and led the R&D group that commercialized phosphoramidite oligonucleotide synthesis and the Models 380A, 380B and 381 DNA synthesizers"17:57
CaptHindsightoligonucleotide synthesis for fun and profit17:57
CaptHindsightwell profit anyway17:58
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nmz787_did I mention that lightning terminator company said no to selling/working with a(another) DNA synthesis project?18:14
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streetyI think so nmz787_ something along the lines of get back in touch later in case anything changes?18:46
nmz787_ah, yeah18:50
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fennwhat's this about lightning terminators?18:53
fenn"Lasergen’s key technology, Lightning Terminators™, provides unique photocleavable terminator chemistry with faster reaction kinetics and robust cleavage properties."18:55
fennmeh18:55
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fennhello DumpsterDiver, been doing a bit of that myself lately18:56
kanzurefor all you know they mean a different kind of dumpster18:56
fennwords, what are they?18:56
fennmore slippery than salmon, as soon as you look closely they turn into something else, it's like living in a dream18:57
kanzurewere you the one that told me about librivox?19:01
kanzureor am i just confusing this with the something about libvorbis?19:01
kanzure-the19:01
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fennseems like something that would have come up recently wrt labeled audio transcription training corpus19:03
fennanyway it wasn't me19:03
kanzureno it was years ago19:04
DumpsterDiverWhy punt a dildo. Not a bsd field position all things considered19:06
fenngnusha.org/logs/2010-06-06.log:11:56 < fenn> fun to see people i know on here http://www.voxforge.org/home/downloads/metrics19:08
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fennhmm p2p yak shaving/yak trading sounds like a good idea19:20
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kanzureyak genocide19:22
fennyak derivatives19:23
kanzurethesnark: *poke*19:25
kanzurefenn: perhpas you could look at the current state of the polymerase draft and offer comments or reorganizing the outline?19:31
fennsounds like work19:32
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kanzureer, yes, porobably19:36
fenni seem to have misplaced the URL19:37
fennbtw how is the ultrasound thingy coming along?19:37
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fennah i found it in a PM19:45
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maakuIs there any basis for B12 as a energy/metabolism booster?20:10
maakuWell there is no UL so I guess it doesn't hurt20:23
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kanzureoh right, ultrasoud stuff21:03
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