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| fenn | wow first time i've actually looked at the hplusroadmap html logs. will have to fix some things | 01:54 |
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| archels_ | to circumvent scientific publisher copyrights when reproducing images... if I use automated image processing methods to extract data from plots in papers (old/pixel only and new/can maybe read PS source), then re-plot them and cite the method and the original paper... would that work | 02:17 |
| fenn | ok fixed word wrapping in the html logs with really long links (i think) | 02:26 |
| fenn | archels_: it hinges around whether it's a derivative work or not. in this case it seems like one could make the case that it is, but the fair use clause seems like it might apply? ask mindspillage | 02:28 |
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| TMA | archels_: you would probably be safer when the data extraction step would be performed by a different person, If I understand it correctly data cannot be under copyright (because the data are not a creative work but a result of measurement) on the othere hand their arangement is a copyrightable work. the second person would get the (unencumbered) data and produce an image. | 03:07 |
| TMA | archels_: in the same vein as "clean room engineering" one person performs the analysis (reverse engineering) another produces syntesis (forward engineering from the specification by the first person) | 03:09 |
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| fenn | but corporations are people right, so you can just get your company #1 to do analysis and company #2 to do reverse engineering? | 03:29 |
| fenn | er, data plotting | 03:29 |
| TMA | fenn: it depends on the exact wording of the law -- in certain jurisdictions the author is the natural person (the corporation merely holds the rights in trust (of which the corporation is the beneficiary, except for some types of rights of which the beneficiary is the natural person author) | 03:35 |
| TMA | ) | 03:35 |
| TMA | fenn: which incidentally makes funny results: if you (a natural person) work for hire, you do not retain rights to your creation, they will be tranferred to the other party; whereas when a corporation works for hire, it retains the rights and merely licenses them as they see fit | 03:38 |
| TMA | fenn: generally it is advisable to have several corporations at your disposal so that you can switch personhoods as you see fit; it might not work as expected though, because they might be grouped together and treated as an indivisible unit (conglomerate/concern/holding structure/...) | 03:41 |
| TMA | and that's why lawyers can ask exuberant sums for their services | 03:42 |
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| kanzure | fenn: would be better to fix irclog2html instead | 05:49 |
| fenn | the irclog.css needed work-break: break-word; | 05:53 |
| fenn | word-break: break-word; | 05:53 |
| fenn | i replaced the distro versions so it should stay fixed | 05:54 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/pull/15 | 05:54 |
| fenn | yeah i guess i could do a pull request but i'm lazy | 05:54 |
| kanzure | consider it part of the workload | 05:55 |
| kanzure | what's the least insane way to do per-message html log generation? | 05:56 |
| fenn | to update html logs in realtime? | 05:56 |
| kanzure | i only need somewhat realtime | 05:56 |
| fenn | uh, a process? it reads from a fifo and modifies a html file appropriately? | 05:57 |
| kanzure | i mean "which irssi configuration setting do i want" | 05:58 |
| fenn | not sure what irssi has to do with it | 05:58 |
| kanzure | that's how the current logs are rendered | 05:58 |
| kanzure | (text logs) | 05:59 |
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| fenn | so you want irssi to log as html | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | i want irssi to call irclog2html | 06:01 |
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| fenn | why? | 06:01 |
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| kanzure | fenn: because it's currently not...? the html logs are not rendered after each message. | 06:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: easiest to make new anchorlinks of recent messages compared to ancient messages. so you go look for something in the recent logs, make a link, problem solved. unfortunately this is broken because the html logs aren't available for today's log. | 06:02 |
| fenn | *mumble* file alteration monitor *mumble* | 06:03 |
| kanzure | noo i don't want a watcher. what would i be watching anyway? the source file changes. | 06:03 |
| kanzure | *the location of the source file changes | 06:04 |
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| fenn | "everything in this directory" | 06:05 |
| kanzure | i don't want to regenerate the whole set each message :P | 06:05 |
| fenn | it wont do that, that's the point | 06:05 |
| fenn | oh but maybe it would regenerate the whole day for each message | 06:05 |
| kanzure | that's fine. | 06:06 |
| fenn | if a file is changed, run irclog2html on it | 06:07 |
| fenn | optionally sleep 5 seconds to keep server load down | 06:07 |
| kanzure | i've been looking for a not-terrible voip/sip implementation | 06:08 |
| kanzure | so far the most succinct implementation i've found is https://github.com/Eyepea/aiosip | 06:08 |
| kanzure | unfortunately this does not have tests | 06:08 |
| kanzure | and this one https://www.gnu.org/software/sipwitch/ seems to redirect to "cherokees of idaho" or something... | 06:09 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/theintencity/p2p-sip/blob/master/src/app/voip.py | 06:10 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/AGProjects/python-sipsimple/blob/master/sipsimple/session.py | 06:10 |
| kanzure | ugh. | 06:10 |
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| fenn | heh whoops | 06:24 |
| fenn | dont make new files in the directory you're monitoring for new files :P | 06:24 |
| kanzure | ? | 06:27 |
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| kanzure | also the css file should probably be updated to extend the bottom of the page so that the bottom anchors are viewable (probably just padding-bottom:1200px or something) | 06:33 |
| fenn | there are bottom anchors? | 06:34 |
| fenn | last thing i see is 'Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!' | 06:34 |
| fenn | i have something that mostly works now, using fileschanged (part of file alteration monitor) | 06:36 |
| kanzure | if you click one of the last timestamps, the browser cannot auto-scroll to that location without increasing the total size of the page (which can be accomplished through css) | 06:37 |
| fenn | if you're interested see /home/fenn/test_fam/call_irclog2html.sh | 06:38 |
| fenn | fixed padding issue | 06:41 |
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| kanzure | "Tesla is accumulating ~1 million miles of data every 10 hours fleet-wide" | 06:42 |
| fenn | ... and doing nothing with it | 06:42 |
| fenn | is there an open database for street view type stuff yet? | 06:43 |
| fenn | also no reason to limit it to street view, could be anywhere really | 06:43 |
| fenn | the ability to scroll around in time would be very useful, and sadly is lacking from google street view | 06:44 |
| fenn | test | 06:48 |
| fenn | apparently i dont understand something about gnusha. does it batch the log files into days once a day? | 06:49 |
| fenn | disregard | 06:53 |
| fenn | hrm | 06:59 |
| fenn | stupid | 07:01 |
| fenn | i always think "o" in chmod is for owner | 07:01 |
| fenn | but it means exactly the opposite | 07:01 |
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| kanzure | fenn: there is an openstreetview thing now, from the openstreetmap people | 07:05 |
| fenn | test | 07:07 |
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| fenn | seems to be working http://gnusha.org/logs/realtime_html_test/2016-09-23.html#t07:07 | 07:08 |
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| fenn | this would have been a lot easier if fam had an option to output only the filename | 07:12 |
| fenn | s/fam/fileschanged/ | 07:12 |
| fenn | test | 07:16 |
| kanzure | you aren't using my patch? | 07:17 |
| kanzure | messages sent in the same minute don't work on your page | 07:17 |
| kanzure | also it doesn't seem to be appending lines. | 07:18 |
| kanzure | (or updating at all) | 07:18 |
| fenn | it was stopped just now | 07:19 |
| kanzure | your page doesn't distinguish between http://gnusha.org/logs/realtime_html_test/2016-09-23.html#t07:17 and http://gnusha.org/logs/realtime_html_test/2016-09-23.html#t07:17 and this makes me sad :( | 07:19 |
| fenn | not sure how that's my fault? that was the anchor format irclog2html made | 07:20 |
| fenn | anyway i like it better than having a longer anchor tag | 07:20 |
| kanzure | right, it's a branch i made. i submitted it as a pull request to upstream. | 07:20 |
| kanzure | well, you could remove the timestamps i suppose... my commit shows all the places to edit. | 07:21 |
| gradstudentbot | The paper got rejected. | 07:21 |
| fenn | i didnt actually look at the commit, or i didnt understand what it was | 07:21 |
| kanzure | these links are the reason why i've neglected gnusha.org/logs/html/ for so long | 07:21 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/mgedmin/irclog2html/pull/15/commits/c6855e398da65591b381af448e112256efe131ee | 07:22 |
| fenn | where's the version of irclog2html i should be calling? | 07:22 |
| kanzure | i'll install it.. | 07:23 |
| fenn | plz install it in gnusha so i'm not calling /home/bryan/whatever | 07:23 |
| kanzure | done | 07:24 |
| fenn | http://gnusha.org/logs/realtime_html_test/2016-09-23.html#t07:24-161 | 07:26 |
| fenn | i dont know why it didn't use its own irclog.css | 07:26 |
| kanzure | there. now i will make a billion bookmarks for a billion trivial hplusroadmap things. | 07:27 |
| kanzure | also you can use html/ if you want | 07:27 |
| fenn | ok i will overwrite html now | 07:28 |
| fenn | bloop | 07:31 |
| kanzure | weird, my opennurbs rewrite thingy was in 2010? http://gnusha.org/logs/html/2010-08-11.log#t00:01-1 | 07:34 |
| fenn | now you know people are going to want to do live webchat using the html logs | 07:36 |
| fenn | and this is where we must draw the line | 07:36 |
| fenn | in defense of all that is sacred | 07:37 |
| kanzure | live from 2010 | 07:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: 2016-09-23.html does not match the same filename as the other logs | 07:40 |
| kanzure | others are .log.html | 07:41 |
| fenn | uh. that thing you just linked was .log | 07:49 |
| fenn | now i'm confused | 07:49 |
| fenn | how does it know to send it as html mime type? | 07:50 |
| gradstudentbot | Don't phage me, bro. | 07:52 |
| kanzure | i think the web server does some introspection, and browsers of course will tend to do their own wacky html parsing | 07:58 |
| kanzure | "the thing you just linked was .log" yes that's because the web server does not have a strict requirement for the .html extension for incoming url requests. | 07:58 |
| fenn | also it has the full pathname now in the h1 header | 07:58 |
| kanzure | but the bug i was reporting was that, on the file system, 2016-09-23.html does not follow the file naming conventions established for the previous files | 07:59 |
| fenn | yes i changed it to do .log.html now | 07:59 |
| kanzure | pathname seems to also be fixed | 07:59 |
| kanzure | nope nevermind | 08:00 |
| fenn | fixing pathname atm | 08:00 |
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| ybit | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmAqdHJyPhE | 09:35 |
| yoleaux | Christoph Gerber seminar on AFM technologies for non-invasive diagnostics - YouTube | 09:35 |
| ybit | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2RhhwkF4sU | 09:38 |
| yoleaux | AFM in Basel - co-inventor Christoph Gerber describes the microscope's first development - YouTube | 09:38 |
| ybit | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OznfvI-ZOgw&list=PLZvBi3FJSCFNBTwuROsyzOpaCPSbSMyEw&index=6 | 09:39 |
| yoleaux | AFM in Basel - Moritz Pfreundschuh uses AFM to measure protein interactions - YouTube | 09:39 |
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| ybit | i ran into a smart kid today who's well studied in logics, category theory, and topology.. he has a b.sc in mechatronics and needs a job. anyone looking for his skill set or have some ideas on where he should look | 12:09 |
| ybit | he just release a new version of his own language https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Delta-Lambda-0.2.0.0 | 12:11 |
| ybit | his nick is listofoptions on freenode | 12:12 |
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| ybit | a university professor just mentioned these 10 things that he feels most software developers don't understand | 14:43 |
| ybit | 1. what is a function 2. how do you reuse code 3. how do you build something with more than 5 files 4. how do you build something with more than 1 thread without spaghetti 5. what's a data structure and how is it different from a type 6. what is an AST 7. what is a message 8. synchronous vs asynchronous 9. CAP theorem 10. Alan Turing | 14:43 |
| kanzure | "acoustic gravity wave" | 14:56 |
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| maaku | ybit: send his resume my way | 16:38 |
| maaku | if he gave you one :P | 16:38 |
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| kanzure | saurik: any chance i could bug you about VOIP things? | 16:47 |
| saurik | kanzure: it is probably possible to bug me. like, in general I'd probably enjoy talking about voip, but if you go out of your way to try you will probably succeed in annoying me enough to feel bugged (but why would you do that?) | 16:55 |
| kanzure | saurik: okay thanks. sent you a few PMs. | 16:57 |
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| kanzure | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/cgal-bindings | 17:23 |
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| juul | BioHack The Planet Conference at Counter Culture Labs streaming in a few minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM7ITgYCn6c | 19:01 |
| kanzure | thanks. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | will you field questions & heckling from irc? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://biohacktheplanet.com/ | 19:03 |
| kanzure | http://biohacktheplanet.com/schedule/ | 19:04 |
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| Proteus1 | kanzure: do you know if this stream will be available somewhere once the talks are over? | 21:14 |
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| fenn | "how do we safely exchange biological materials?" lol it's cheese | 21:57 |
| fenn | i guess i should go to this | 21:58 |
| juul | kanzure: sorry i was one-manning the whole operation today so didn't have my laptop but we'll do IRC questions all day tomorrow | 21:59 |
| fenn | hm "sold out" | 21:59 |
| juul | fenn: just show up | 21:59 |
| fenn | juul: why is this the first i've heard of the event? | 21:59 |
| juul | because the organizers did a bad job of it? | 22:00 |
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| juul | if you need to, just say you're here for sudo room, head into sudo room and then come through the backstage entrace (up the stairs in sudo room) | 22:00 |
| fenn | i'll make a VIP badge :P | 22:01 |
| juul | any speaker who signs a release form we'll publish their talk as CC BY-SA 4.0 | 22:01 |
| juul | i should mention that the organizers didn't want to involve anyone else in decisionmaking and then expected last minute volunteers to do everythin | 22:03 |
| kanzure | haha | 22:04 |
| juul | i figured it was still worth it to record/stream the talks | 22:05 |
| juul | lots of good people giving talks and showing up | 22:05 |
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| Proteus1 | juul: Thanks for the stream, it's much appreciated! | 22:20 |
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| juul | Proteus1: :) | 22:35 |
| kanzure | <-- defeated SIP, on to the next windmill | 22:35 |
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| juul | was there any issues with the stream? (i know the audio dropped out for a few seconds at one point, but other than that) | 23:01 |
| juul | i'm gonna try to force everyone to be on the stage with the spotlight on them tomorrow so they don't look all red and dark when standing in fron of the bright projected image | 23:01 |
| juul | thank discordia for modern camera stabilization technology when Tomas just strated speaking on the floor of the room and I had to hand-hold the cam through his entire talk | 23:03 |
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