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| ashleyperpetual | https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/557h7r/trying_to_come_up_with_the_best_working_model_for/ | 04:53 |
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| ashleyperpetual | ^idea of using neural networks for simulationism as opposed to a full physical model or making an abstract gta v type virtual reality | 04:53 |
| ashleyperpetual | after all we can daydream extremely plausible vast scenarios | 04:54 |
| ashleyperpetual | a full physical model would take up more resources (which are limited due to heat death) | 04:54 |
| ashleyperpetual | and an abstract programmed simulation like gta v or minecraft is limited in size and scope by the programmers and their knowledge | 04:55 |
| ashleyperpetual | but neural networks have the benefit of speed of the abstraction, while having the broad capabilities and size of a full-physical simulation of the reality | 04:55 |
| ashleyperpetual | you would model everything in the world once in as much detail as possible | 04:56 |
| ashleyperpetual | even if it means each atom is a neuron on some level | 04:56 |
| ashleyperpetual | and then more abstract processes are modeled and interrelated with those | 04:56 |
| ashleyperpetual | so you might link the network of the grand canyon with both the state of arizona and some stone or rocks in it | 04:56 |
| ashleyperpetual | but when the simulation is run, the detail can be like a fractal of sorts | 04:57 |
| ashleyperpetual | depending on what is most relevant and linked to the observer, different networks run in more abstracted/less detailed form | 04:57 |
| ashleyperpetual | abstractions of the abstractions so to speak | 04:57 |
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| kanzure | wouldn't it be easier to send you grandcanyon.jpg? | 05:45 |
| esmerelda | are there good ML channels on FreeNode besides ##machinelearning? it looks a little dead | 05:45 |
| esmerelda | although it is crazy early | 05:45 |
| kanzure | just read everything here: | 05:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/machine-learning/ | 05:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/speech-recognition/ | 05:46 |
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| ashleyperpetual | kanzure: yes a 2d image representation of the grand canyon is easier using a jpeg than some fancy neural network | 05:49 |
| ashleyperpetual | but what if you want causality | 05:49 |
| ashleyperpetual | or a 3d model | 05:50 |
| ashleyperpetual | in a way that you can get plausibility from the atomic scale up to the whole area, and even go into the fourth dimension and project its development | 05:50 |
| ashleyperpetual | or see how it would be physically altered by a nuclear blast | 05:50 |
| ashleyperpetual | if we want to be able to simulate a full world without having to manually code/account for everything like gta | 05:51 |
| ashleyperpetual | or like a full physics simulation on the other hand which would be too difficult to compute | 05:51 |
| ashleyperpetual | then I think something LIKE neural networks at least would be best | 05:51 |
| ashleyperpetual | I haven't looked into it much yet, but at least now I know what I can specialize in teaching myself | 05:51 |
| ashleyperpetual | machine learning/AI that is | 05:52 |
| kanzure | do you have any actual skills | 05:52 |
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| ashleyperpetual | some coding | 05:52 |
| ashleyperpetual | I've done some client-side web dev with javascript/jquery | 05:52 |
| ashleyperpetual | nowhere near enough to even understand this very well, which is why I need to learn | 05:53 |
| esmerelda | ashleyperpetual: look into what NVidia has recently announced with their self-driving car. Some of that is probably similarly modeling physics by learned inference | 05:54 |
| ashleyperpetual | esmerelda: I'll check that out, thanks | 05:54 |
| esmerelda | (NVidia is using a full NN approach rather than the hard-coded rule sets that Google et al are using) | 05:54 |
| ashleyperpetual | right now I'm taking some courses to cover prerequisite knowledge | 05:54 |
| esmerelda | I figured out a neat trick with neural networks today | 05:54 |
| ashleyperpetual | yeah I saw a post about that on reddit, that sounds really promising | 05:54 |
| esmerelda | so say that you have a convolutional neural network. those are good for images, but what if you want to pass along some parameters as well? | 05:55 |
| ashleyperpetual | after all we can daydream with remarkable plausibility and detail | 05:55 |
| esmerelda | you can't elegantly do it, because convolutional neural networks... convolve. they're inherently 2D | 05:55 |
| esmerelda | but! you can create another feature channel, alongside the RGB channels, and make a 2D wave pattern on it, whose amplitude is the scalar variable you're trying to pass. | 05:56 |
| esmerelda | since it's a wave rather than a uniform value, it's resilient to normalization. | 05:56 |
| ashleyperpetual | I think I have a lot I need to learn before I can start to understand these issues | 05:57 |
| esmerelda | in fact, you can be really fancy and pack in multiple parameters at relatively prime frequencies | 05:57 |
| ashleyperpetual | I'm not even familiar with the terminology | 05:57 |
| ashleyperpetual | I'm excited because now I know what to learn at least if I eventually want to be able to contribute | 05:57 |
| * esmerelda cackles with laughter as she falls farther into sleep deprivation madness | 05:57 | |
| ashleyperpetual | I was really stressed about not knowing what direction to take with my online learning | 05:58 |
| ashleyperpetual | it's like "I have some js experience, im taking cs50... how does any of this lead to making a difference?" | 05:58 |
| ashleyperpetual | but I really think AI might be my best bet if I want to live in le matrix :^) | 05:58 |
| esmerelda | I'm scared of AI, but reluctantly learning the technology so I can protect myself | 05:59 |
| esmerelda | I like being a useful human and I don't want to become obsolete. | 05:59 |
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| kanzure | new ec2 instance type with 16 GPUs https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12610804 | 06:59 |
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| kanzure | https://cloud.google.com/ml/ | 07:03 |
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| ashleyperpetual | thank you kanzure | 07:11 |
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| kanzure | bloop | 10:02 |
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| * fenn reluctantly contributes to the conversation | 10:30 | |
| fenn | a simulation of the universe could be running on an infinite substrate | 10:30 |
| fenn | you'd need to train a neural network on an actual universe, but how would you get the data | 10:33 |
| fenn | you can't just magically know everything there is to know about a particular volume of space | 10:33 |
| fenn | calculate how much information is stored in a sand grain | 10:34 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6729aa37 Bryan Bishop: transcript: elon musk stuff >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/ | 15:34 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/ | 15:34 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=67a2dbf7 Bryan Bishop: also add tweeter link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/ | 15:36 |
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| andytoshi | thanks kanzure | 16:19 |
| andytoshi | i'm surprised elon didn't have a sanctioned transcriber.. | 16:19 |
| kanzure | guesd who | 16:22 |
| andytoshi | did he pay you for this? | 16:22 |
| kanzure | well.... no. | 16:22 |
| kanzure | i forgot to invite you to dinner tonight | 16:22 |
| andytoshi | oh, damn .. i'm meeting a friend at a bar in 1 hour, now it's too late | 16:23 |
| andytoshi | we can do anytime before thurs | 16:23 |
| kanzure | ah okay. | 16:23 |
| andytoshi | this is great, you've got links everywhere, i didn't know mars had a 24.5 hour day | 16:24 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=04a82565 Bryan Bishop: some backlinks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/ | 17:30 |
| kanzure | http://shitelonsays.com/transcript | 17:37 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=2708fc8d Bryan Bishop: more backlinks >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/spacex/elon-musk-making-humans-a-multiplanetary-species/ | 18:15 |
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| docl | http://www.nss.org/settlement/journal/NSSJOURNAL_BootstrappingLunarIndustry_2016.pdf | 19:34 |
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