2008-05-10.log:18:18 < Phreedom> guys you are evil
2008-05-10.log:18:19 < Phreedom> kanzure: hi. they're going to kill someone ;)
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> kanzure: not much I can show atm, except that right now there are 2 people working full time on making home fabrication possible
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> kanzure:  the plan is to develop cheap interferometers and piezo dries
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> fenn: no
2008-05-10.log:18:25 < Phreedom> kanzure:  I didn't read it yet, but it sounds all too similar to what I have in my head :)
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> kanzure: I do have some nice ideas regarding apt-manufacture, but it's really too early too discuss
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> that is discuss stuff I can make in 1-2 year 
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> *years
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> everything else is cool but too far away
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> but piezos and interferometers will make STM, AFM and such stuff really cheap an accessible
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> *and
2008-05-10.log:18:49 < Phreedom> joined
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> fenn: still there's a ton of useful stuff published
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> sometimes if the paper is not useful to you, it's really hard to understand why it is useful
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> of course load of crap are still here
2008-05-13.log:21:09 < Phreedom> *loads
2008-05-13.log:21:11 < Phreedom> you don't have to. have your revenge by making up more words they don't know ;)
2008-05-13.log:23:14 < Phreedom> sometimes? I'd say usually ;)
2008-05-17.log:15:55 < Phreedom> fenn: legacy stuff can be scary
2008-05-17.log:16:11 < Phreedom> kanzure: absorb?
2008-05-17.log:06:00 < Phreedom> fenn: are there any news re: your hexapod? are you going to/building it already?
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> /nickserv identify help
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> grrrr
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> ybit: ping
2008-05-29.log:23:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: actually it makes sense to have an assortment of electric motors in any lab
2008-05-29.log:23:19 < Phreedom> ybit: this is more or less along the lines of what I was thinking
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> ybit: the hardest part is to make the DNA assembler, but the tech that can make this assembler will produce the rest of the lab as well
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> kanzure: naturally used ones work just as fine
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> kanzure: actually a used bicycle is harder to find ;)
2008-05-29.log:23:21 < Phreedom> with a $20k+ price tag
2008-05-29.log:23:22 < Phreedom> hmm... I thought they had a bill of materials somewhere
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> I think 20k comes from their pdf
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> but it not a big deal
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> most of the cost is positioning system and control electronics
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> exactly what I'm working on
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> and it can be made orders of magnitude cheaper
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> but notice that 16k goes towards positioning+electronic
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> I think I can get it into $500-1000 range
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> also they have inflated the price of a pentium III PC :)
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> high-precision stuff costs money
2008-05-29.log:23:26 < Phreedom> probably lots of cables, stands
2008-05-29.log:23:26 < Phreedom> they had to buy metallic cases and other stuff you could make cheaper
2008-05-29.log:23:27 < Phreedom> where? in my lab of course
2008-05-29.log:23:27 < Phreedom> I think ybit once tried to make me tell more about the project :)
2008-05-29.log:23:29 < Phreedom> ybit: more like 10 times
2008-05-29.log:23:29 < Phreedom> kanzure: I need a webmaster too :)
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> and a site
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> and an actually working device :)
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> working on the device though
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> blueprints are not enough
2008-05-29.log:23:31 < Phreedom> you need blueprints you can actually use at home
2008-05-29.log:23:31 < Phreedom> and you need to bootstrap the process
2008-05-29.log:23:32 < Phreedom> the site looks like a typical corporate crap
2008-05-29.log:23:32 < Phreedom> offering solutions for vaguely defined problems
2008-05-29.log:23:33 < Phreedom> with lots of fuzzy stuff intermingled with meaningless crap
2008-05-29.log:23:47 < Phreedom> kanzure: they're doing more to get funding :P
2008-05-29.log:23:59 < Phreedom> kanzure: but where does money come from?
2008-05-30.log:00:32 < Phreedom> lol
2008-05-30.log:00:42 < Phreedom> Vedestin: sometimes they do
2008-05-30.log:00:43 < Phreedom> Vedestin: the trouble is that I never found any :) and always end up funding my activities myself
2008-05-30.log:01:07 < Phreedom> fenn: regarding your coders for a pile of junk complaint... do you really have a useful pile of junk in your gaage? ;)
2008-05-30.log:01:09 < Phreedom> but sure experienced many times ;)
2008-05-30.log:01:11 < Phreedom> but you don't need to explain anyone what GPL is ;)
2008-05-30.log:01:11 < Phreedom> or open-source for that matter
2008-05-30.log:01:12 < Phreedom> kanzure: you're mistaken
2008-05-30.log:01:12 < Phreedom> hardware is not really secret
2008-05-30.log:01:13 < Phreedom> yes, but the science behind it isn't
2008-05-30.log:01:13 < Phreedom> really
2008-05-30.log:01:14 < Phreedom> at least I've never enountered stuff for which I couldn't find an acceptable description based on scientific works+patents 
2008-05-30.log:01:14 < Phreedom> businesses don't R&D half of your list
2008-05-30.log:01:16 < Phreedom> fenn: probably QTC patents are still pending
2008-05-30.log:01:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: you'll end up bootstrapping almost from scratch
2008-05-30.log:01:17 < Phreedom> especially if you have plans for automatted manufacturing
2008-05-30.log:01:18 < Phreedom> fenn: cutting edge may be a problem
2008-05-30.log:01:18 < Phreedom> oh well, you like to bring some obscure things to the table :P
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> fenn: of course you can enounter bits of this stuff
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> but overall it's not as bad
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> information wants to be free
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> and wants it so badly that it usually escapes ;)
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> so go ahead and escape too :P
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> and what does it mean to be free?
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> free to kill others? ;)
2008-05-30.log:01:22 < Phreedom> so I assume the answer is yes :P
2008-05-30.log:01:27 < Phreedom> fenn: so your only hope is kanzure... maybe one day he'll come and help you reverse aging :P
2008-05-30.log:01:28 < Phreedom> maybe that's a condition he had to agree to
2008-05-30.log:01:29 < Phreedom> yeah yeah
2008-05-30.log:01:29 < Phreedom> really govt should protect life and freedom
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> the rest it's only going to stiffle
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> kanzure:  you don't want to be murdered, do you?
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> life also extends into ecology
2008-05-31.log:16:32 < Phreedom> bad news guys: the other person involved in my project how is out of the game for 2-8 weeks due to injury :(
2008-05-31.log:16:32 < Phreedom> but we're going to finish it anyways
2008-05-31.log:16:57 < Phreedom> I'm 100% sure I tried explaining it at least once
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> it's a cheap high-precision positioning system capable of driving anything from a cnc milling machine to STM/dna assembler and other nanotech stuff
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> by cheap I mean no more than $100-$150 per axis
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> eventually can get as low as $50
2008-05-31.log:16:59 < Phreedom> which means ATM/AFM can be as cheap as $300(depends on how cheaply you can make a vacuum pump, chamber etc)
2008-05-31.log:17:00 < Phreedom> it will be based on piezo motors and interfeometers
2008-05-31.log:17:00 < Phreedom> piezos can provide unlimited resolution. in practice resolution depends on the resolution of your position feedback system and control electronics
2008-05-31.log:17:01 < Phreedom> interferometers can automatically compensate for most of manufacturing and assembly defects but need very fine polishing on optics surfaces
2008-05-31.log:17:02 < Phreedom> this can be tackled as well with magnetorheological polishing
2008-05-31.log:17:02 < Phreedom> there will be two varietes of the system. one optimized for macro stuff and other optimized for nanotech
2008-05-31.log:17:03 < Phreedom> both quite similar in fact
2008-05-31.log:17:03 < Phreedom> it's just the choice of parameters/dimensions and electronic components
2008-05-31.log:17:57 < Phreedom> perhaps I wrote too much too early :P
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> Vedestin: almost everything
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> plastic corners aren't very useful you know
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> and they didn't address generational degradation
2008-06-04.log:22:25 < Phreedom> so far (semi-)commerially manufatured reprap plastic parts were not printed by a reprap
2008-06-04.log:22:25 < Phreedom> and somewhat resemble the parts that are needed :)
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> if you take a closer look at reprap-made reprap parts, you'll see what I'm talking about
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> recently there were posted photos of quite high quality prints
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> but they were done using a better positioning system
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> or so it seems
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> I may be mistaken
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> so better see for yourself
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> of course reprap is progressing
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> but IMHO it's still not ready
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> not ready to live up to its promise
2008-06-04.log:22:28 < Phreedom> lossless self-replication
2008-06-04.log:22:28 < Phreedom> there's a hope reprap can be used to bootstrap other more useful manufacturing tehnologies
2008-06-04.log:22:29 < Phreedom> ie their idea is spread reprap first and then make repraps around the world continuously upgrade themselves
2008-06-04.log:22:30 < Phreedom> better ask reprap devs ;)
2008-06-04.log:22:30 < Phreedom> my take on this is that it can be done eventually... but it's like reinventing the wheel
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> so I'm trying do go a more direct route
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> that is produce a capable machine form the get go
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> *from
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> more or less
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> of ourse
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> reprap guys did a good job with plastic extruders
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> their extruder head is quite usable already
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> but on a good cnc machine, not a reprap :(
2008-06-04.log:23:41 < Phreedom> actually they'll make it eventually
2008-06-04.log:23:41 < Phreedom> the question is when
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> yeah
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> no plan to address current known shortcomings
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> (without scapping the whole thing of course)
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> throwing away
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> maybe I'm not very good at english
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> actually while I think reprap is far away from *lossless* replication, i think the project is partially successful and definitely useful
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> they made a good extruder head
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> and they managed to assemble community
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> so if a more practical project comes to replace reprap, there's some foundation to build on
2008-06-04.log:23:44 < Phreedom> kanzure: correct
2008-06-04.log:23:46 < Phreedom> yes
2008-06-04.log:23:47 < Phreedom> a practical machine
2008-06-04.log:23:47 < Phreedom> without claims for self-replication, although it does make it's frame corners, metallic this time :)
2008-06-04.log:23:48 < Phreedom> and it can replicate frame corners losslessly
2008-06-04.log:23:50 < Phreedom> or play games till you take ball and go home
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> truth sucks if you ignore it too much
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> kanzure: but they are hurting themselves
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> not you
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> always check the facts, read articles, not headlines
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> and you'll be fine
2008-06-04.log:23:53 < Phreedom> it's a question of time ;)
2008-06-04.log:23:54 < Phreedom> you don't go and try to talk every religious nut you meet into accepting reality?
2008-06-04.log:23:54 < Phreedom> lol
2008-06-04.log:23:56 < Phreedom> you don't have to call fanboys hostile. calling them fan boys is enough ;)
2008-06-04.log:23:57 < Phreedom> so really it's a bunch of guys playing a game+ army of misinformed fanboys
2008-06-04.log:23:57 < Phreedom> unless they go ahead and show a replicating design :)
2008-06-05.log:00:00 < Phreedom> wishful thinking/cognitive dissonance
2008-06-05.log:00:07 < Phreedom> joshcryer: why?
2008-06-05.log:00:08 < Phreedom> fenn: you hate academics ;)
2008-06-05.log:00:12 < Phreedom> fenn: quit emailing, do something ;)
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> lol
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> that's gonna help replication :)
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> like?
2008-06-05.log:00:15 < Phreedom> fenn: microstepping driver?
2008-06-05.log:00:16 < Phreedom> :)
2008-06-05.log:00:16 < Phreedom> so what are you going to use for position feedback?
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> as usual
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> oh well
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> fenn: do you have any completion timeframes
2008-06-05.log:00:37 < Phreedom> fenn: so you aren't actively developing it
2008-06-05.log:00:37 < Phreedom> ok
2008-06-05.log:00:38 < Phreedom> anyhow it would be hard for us to cooperate at this particular moment :(
2008-06-05.log:13:06 < Phreedom> kanzure: I don't see anyone on slashdot addressing actual shortcomings except for "self-replication", like degradation of parts over several generations
2008-06-05.log:20:16 < Phreedom> kanzure: FUD seems to do wonders for RepRap ;)
2008-06-05.log:20:17 < Phreedom> (21:48:59)  kanzure:  the grad student I am assigned to mentioned RepRap and that it replicates 
2008-06-07.log:13:50 < Phreedom> h1
2008-06-25.log:14:32 < Phreedom> hi
2008-07-27.log:16:42 < Phreedom> fenn: should also take a look at RoR ;)
2008-07-27.log:17:24 < Phreedom> ah this is for prophets
2008-07-28.log:11:10 < Phreedom> kanzure: since some people are leaking my secrets already, should I hurry up to document my technology DB ideas? 
2008-08-20.log:03:14 < Phreedom> hi
2008-08-21.log:22:48 < Phreedom> nsh: someone's junk is somebody else's treasure? ;)
2008-08-21.log:23:52 < Phreedom> you have nothing to upload? ;P
2008-08-21.log:23:53 < Phreedom> modelling is very useful for many tasks... not sure about mind uploading though
2008-08-22.log:00:32 < Phreedom> :)
2008-08-24.log:21:39 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I think every linux box is a router by default
2008-08-26.log:11:26 < Phreedom> willPow3r: no, we hibernate :P
2008-08-26.log:11:27 < Phreedom> unf yes :(
2008-08-26.log:11:27 < Phreedom> but we're working on it
2008-08-26.log:11:39 < Phreedom> every research has a practical application of scratching someone's itch
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> kanzure_: foss cad is a joke :(
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> cam is a bad joke
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> :`(
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> like?
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> I understand
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> you'd rather treat it as programming
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> parametrized, functional design
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> I agree overall
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> rather I agree that this is a good base for core manufacturing stuff
2008-08-29.log:12:05 < Phreedom> end-user tweaks, one-off simple parts better fit "art" model
2008-08-29.log:12:07 < Phreedom> I meant that if you need a cellphone holder, it's better done the "art" way :)
2008-08-29.log:12:07 < Phreedom> exactly. If you want to parametrize the thing, you need a powerful math model to back it up
2008-08-29.log:12:22 < Phreedom> kanzure_: that's why I advocate doing it only for core tech
2008-08-29.log:12:23 < Phreedom> you can find a team of hardcore hackers to handle a small, but crucial set of technologies
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> and other people can use gui and higher-level primitives
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> eg you need to make a PCB
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> eveyone can but not everyone wants  or cares to
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> kanzure_: from my experience dealing with people with tons of ideological constraints(*cough*gnome*cough*), I'd say come up with a reasonable,practical, *scientific* framework.. and some people will join you
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> you won't get everyone onboard but it's their problems
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> -s
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> and you won't solve it
2008-08-29.log:12:28 < Phreedom> you don't need everyone, you need a qualified team
2008-08-29.log:12:29 < Phreedom> a reasonably small team of highly-skilled open-minded individuals can to a gerat degree compensate for its size by higher efficiency of framework, knowledge, efficiency of communications and management
2008-08-29.log:12:30 < Phreedom> and at the same time get something cutting-edge done
2008-08-29.log:12:31 < Phreedom> instead lots of activity, ideological flamewars which usually lead to nothing or mediocre result at best
2008-08-29.log:12:31 < Phreedom> *instead of
2008-08-29.log:12:36 < Phreedom> :)
2008-08-29.log:15:20 < Phreedom> kanzure_: all I see on their site is marketing talk
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> as in we do what we want
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> ok
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> at least they hope so
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> so what "space" are you referring to?
2008-08-29.log:15:22 < Phreedom> are you goign for some pysical stuff or only the database?
2008-08-29.log:15:22 < Phreedom> *physical=tangible
2008-08-29.log:15:24 < Phreedom> and in what area?
2008-08-29.log:15:24 < Phreedom> I mean what are you goign to be fabbing
2008-08-29.log:15:30 < Phreedom> not me definitely
2008-08-29.log:15:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: though whatever you're going to do there, we'll have no means to collaborate other than the 'net :(
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> there was a photo of a 6-8 legged "spider" cnc
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> I think on reprap forums
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> a real device btw
2008-08-29.log:15:36 < Phreedom> I suppose, yes
2008-08-29.log:15:36 < Phreedom> http://builders.reprap.org/2008/06/walking-cnc-router-robot.html
2008-08-29.log:15:37 < Phreedom> as if you can't scale it up
2008-08-29.log:15:48 < Phreedom> saw it I think
2008-08-31.log:17:38 < Phreedom> kanzure_: eh?
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> oh
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> sorry didn't see the question
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> reading now :)
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> kanzure_: ok. I really should write some minimal explanation of what I'm up to
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> I'll do it shortly
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> similar
2008-08-31.log:17:44 < Phreedom> really it's better explained in a coherent short doc than a page of ramblings
2008-09-01.log:00:44 < Phreedom> fenn: comunist revolution was tried, and of course it doesn't work because people aren't willing to share their physical labor freely... however with information it's somewhat different. people still don't share it as much as we'd want to, but due to the low cost of making copies, the few that do share are enough
2008-09-01.log:18:44 < Phreedom> everywhere I go somebody wants me to do something
2008-09-01.log:20:09 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I know I know
2008-09-01.log:20:09 < Phreedom> I'd like to share it too
2008-09-01.log:20:10 < Phreedom> need time as always :(
2008-09-04.log:13:53 < Phreedom> kanzure, fenn, nsh: I wonder if any of you use jabber?
2008-09-06.log:04:04 < Phreedom> fenn: but drain does consume quite a lot of energy
2008-09-06.log:04:04 < Phreedom> of course only if you actually use it
2008-09-06.log:04:14 < Phreedom> *brain
2008-09-06.log:04:14 < Phreedom> :)
2008-09-07.log:12:27 < Phreedom> hi
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: which one?
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: which one?
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> grrr
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure: :)
2008-09-07.log:12:32 < Phreedom> kanzure_: not yet started
2008-09-07.log:12:32 < Phreedom> what's so astonishing in this?
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> kanzure: it was a preliminary meeting, so nobody knows what's going to happen...
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> but I wouldn't count on miracles happening
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> it's gnome after all
2008-09-07.log:15:26 < Phreedom> visual basic? open source? hmm
2008-10-15.log:15:24 < Phreedom> kanzure_1_: thanks. will take a look
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/04/1625226&from=rss
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> this is a very promising development
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> abstracting away the site is going to be cool
2008-12-05.log:17:44 < Phreedom> laying this on top of something like i2p can provide privacy
2008-12-05.log:17:44 < Phreedom> and using semantic search can erase boundaries between different repos
2008-12-05.log:19:23 < Phreedom> kanzure_-: you're everywhere
2008-12-14.log:01:46 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I can confirm that even typewriters were all numbered and accounted, copying machines were few and between and access to them was regulated
2008-12-14.log:01:47 < Phreedom> although these regulations were later removed
2008-12-14.log:01:48 < Phreedom> it almost coincided with USSR breakup
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> and now it's funny that ex-USSR territory is one of the freest places in the world when it comes to owning and using tech
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> kanzure_: slowly but surely
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> Xesam/Nepomuk eats some time too
2008-12-14.log:01:51 < Phreedom> kanzure_: trying to make a piezo motor prototype atm
2008-12-14.log:01:51 < Phreedom> it's harder than it sounds though
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> especially since I'm trying to make it last
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> cheap motors(like the ones used in photocams) don't last enough... 500+ hours...
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> yeah, it theory it's just a piezo pressed against a hard surface
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> in practice both piezo and contact surface need a special coating
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> also the mode of excitation and operation influence power and wear
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> because piezos produce a good deal of friction
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> some produce incredible amounts
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> some produce moderate
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> mediocre designs can have <20% efficiency
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> with the 80%+ of energy split between heating due to elastic deformations and friction
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> needless to say these things don't work for too long
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> I'm trying to get a motor that'll waste most of its power into elastic deformations and not friction
2008-12-14.log:01:56 < Phreedom> probably they're doing a nice thing
2008-12-14.log:01:56 < Phreedom> but piezos have too many advantages to be ignored
2008-12-14.log:01:57 < Phreedom> what I'm trying to accopmlish is a piezo which works no less than 3-5k hours and has an easy rejuvenation procedure, like recoating of friction surfaces
2008-12-14.log:01:57 < Phreedom> which makes it last almost forever with reasonably simple servicing from time to time
2008-12-14.log:01:58 < Phreedom> nothing yet. the first attempt will be chrome
2008-12-14.log:02:00 < Phreedom> basically there are piezos which last seveal K hours, piezos which are powerful etc etc so it's not very new stuff but there may be some tricks getting this working
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> really hope to get the prototype working soon
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> because interferometers are pretty easy to get right and I'm totally confident in this part of the project
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> while piezos are somewhat speculative
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> although there's still a very good chance
2008-12-14.log:02:06 < Phreedom> if it works, I'll have a motor with exceptional power/weight and power/volume ratio, absolutely no backlash, high holding force, and ability to microstep in micometer range(yes, for real, unlike regular steppers with microstep)
2008-12-14.log:02:08 < Phreedom> micometer->picometer(not a typo)
2008-12-14.log:02:08 < Phreedom> of course such resolution is not needed in precision machining, but having rotary axis or actuator with such a precision will be useful for other purposes
2008-12-14.log:14:26 < Phreedom> huh?
2008-12-14.log:14:26 < Phreedom> someone called me? ;)
2008-12-14.log:14:28 < Phreedom> just get yourself a bicycle ;)
2008-12-14.log:14:28 < Phreedom> it's -5C outside and I'm still riding it comfortably :)
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> temps here don't usually go lower than -20C + wind
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> yeah just a lil bit of snow
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> barely noticeable
2008-12-14.log:14:32 < Phreedom> more things you can do out of your bed
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> yeah
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> should have at least ran kubuntu ;)
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> ok let's just admit everyone here is using windows ;)
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> yeah kde is better
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> 3.5 is very nice too
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> ybit it's not about stability
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> it's more apps and ability to test live kde4 builds on my real home
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> kanzure: no problem about it
2008-12-14.log:14:38 < Phreedom> I have nothing against deb, except that I was silly enough to install kubuntu and it kinda worked and I got stuck because changing a distro is a nightmare
2008-12-14.log:14:39 < Phreedom> kanzure: I think ubuntu should have just offered deb to maintain another branch... instead of going this "roll our own" way
2008-12-14.log:14:40 < Phreedom> kanzure: it's Mark Shuttleworth's "vision" kinda like he decided to write bzr because he couldn't understand how to use git :)
2008-12-14.log:14:40 < Phreedom> and didn't think that somebody might write 10 lines of ruby/python code to make git behave just like bzr :)
2008-12-14.log:14:41 < Phreedom> ubuntu, launchpad and other his stuff is much like this
2008-12-14.log:14:41 < Phreedom> he's got "vision", he's got money to maintain his own product line
2008-12-14.log:14:42 < Phreedom> even if it's mostly hype
2008-12-16.log:06:12 < Phreedom> right, piezos are very underestimated
2008-12-16.log:06:12 < Phreedom> and there are no distance limitations
2008-12-16.log:06:13 < Phreedom> gene: I'm not talking about using direct piezo expansion/contraction
2008-12-16.log:06:14 < Phreedom> gene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric_motor
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> gene: ok. not really. there are many different designs
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> but the idea is more or less the same
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> fenn: speeds depend on load, how much wear you can tolerate and lots of other stuff
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> fenn: 0,1-0,4m/s is realistic
2008-12-16.log:06:16 < Phreedom> gene: can be made at home :) or if you need a small number, you can buy
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> fenn: but for a motor that lasts, exerts a significant force, I'll be closer to 0,1m/s
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> fenn: yes
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> gene: the same way they make it at a fab: you need PZT powder(made by mill or hydrothermal), press(carjack will do) and a furnace
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> fenn: 50-100g of PZT(density:7.6-7.8), some metal
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> gene: carjack is poor man's press
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> they're really cheap
2008-12-16.log:06:19 < Phreedom> fenn: lol
2008-12-16.log:06:20 < Phreedom> fenn:  3-5cm diameter couple cm height tube
2008-12-16.log:06:21 < Phreedom> fenn: oh and drivers, these are very low power so several low-power high-voltage half-bridges + MCU will do
2008-12-16.log:06:21 < Phreedom> fenn: 10-15 watts per motor will be sufficient
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn: efficiency is likely to be 50%+ so input power will be 20-30 watts/motor
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn:  1000V is mosfet territory too ;)
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn: you can use FETs or Bipolar, whatever is cheaper
2008-12-16.log:06:23 < Phreedom> fenn: as I said I probably need low price the most ;)
2008-12-16.log:06:23 < Phreedom> everything else is a bonus
2008-12-16.log:06:24 < Phreedom> I mean the performance of the driver isn't very critical at these power levels
2008-12-16.log:06:25 < Phreedom> and a 15w loaded motor moving at 0,1 m/s = 150N of force, two motors per axis... this is way too powerful for a desktop machine :)
2008-12-16.log:06:26 < Phreedom> right:)
2008-12-16.log:06:27 < Phreedom> fenn: for what?
2008-12-16.log:06:27 < Phreedom> fenn: not sure. time will tell
2008-12-16.log:06:29 < Phreedom> fenn: actually I'm betting on a different approach to wear. The idea is to have a hard, eg chrome coating, which can be easily recoated as a service routine. So if it doesn't have to happen way too often, it's a good approach to the problem
2008-12-16.log:06:29 < Phreedom> quality commercial motors guarantee several thousand hours of operation
2008-12-16.log:06:30 < Phreedom> which means this might be a good approach after all
2008-12-16.log:06:30 < Phreedom> fenn: no. googling
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: looks nice
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: thre are tons of new designs pooping up everywhere right now
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: all I can say is that piezos are hot
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> :)
2008-12-16.log:06:35 < Phreedom> fenn: the trouble of all these mini and micro piezo designs is wear. they aren't very optimized in this regard due to having other design goals
2008-12-16.log:06:41 < Phreedom> fenn: http://www.piezo-motor.net/
2008-12-16.log:06:48 < Phreedom> fenn: http://www.piezo.lt/  does it reming you of anything? ;)
2008-12-16.log:06:50 < Phreedom> piezo motor stuff isn't very new... but it's been very obscure
2008-12-16.log:06:53 < Phreedom> gene: I'm too far away to enjoy it ;)
2008-12-16.log:07:31 < Phreedom> a piece of good enginering: http://www.break.com/index/failed-chinese-crash-test.html
2008-12-16.log:20:04 < Phreedom> kanzure_: thanks
2008-12-17.log:21:29 < Phreedom> kanzure_: why do you think html layout is crappy?
2008-12-17.log:21:30 < Phreedom> and a typical layout engine is a contstraint propagation solver
2008-12-17.log:21:30 < Phreedom> no more and no less
2008-12-18.log:00:28 < Phreedom> kanzure_: much more than four, but most aren't up-to-date ;)
2008-12-18.log:00:29 < Phreedom> nobody needs a layout engine that's behind the current norm
2008-12-18.log:03:45 < Phreedom> gene: I thought it was several 100 billion?
2008-12-18.log:04:03 < Phreedom> gene_: 100 billion sounds like enough to completely change the world :)
2008-12-18.log:04:03 < Phreedom> not by feeding the hungry, but by developing tools which would allow smarter of them to fix their own problems
2008-12-18.log:04:04 < Phreedom> repraps don't grow potatos ;)
2008-12-18.log:04:04 < Phreedom> not yet
2008-12-18.log:04:05 < Phreedom> or better yet build more concentrated solar power stations
2008-12-18.log:04:27 < Phreedom> plenty of useful stuff to do. The question is where do I apply for a 100bn grant?
2008-12-18.log:05:07 < Phreedom> procto: will I get a cookie? ;)
2008-12-27.log:08:51 < Phreedom> kanzure_: nice /. stuff ;)
2008-12-27.log:10:06 < Phreedom> "In the world without walls, who needs windows?"
2008-12-27.log:10:06 < Phreedom> :))
2009-07-20.log:19:30 < Phreedom> ybit: eh?
2009-07-20.log:19:31 < Phreedom> not yet sleeping
2009-07-20.log:19:33 < Phreedom> ybit: what did you want me to do? I'm really going to fall asleep and nobody would wake me up
2009-07-20.log:19:34 < Phreedom> so you're asking if the acronym translated to russian sounds like some curse word?
2009-07-20.log:19:35 < Phreedom> unf in russian everything can be made to resemble a curse word if you try hard enough
2009-07-20.log:19:35 < Phreedom> but it doesn't evoke any direct associations which is good enough IMO
2009-07-20.log:19:36 < Phreedom> I didn't really ask for a permission :P
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> ybit:  too many kids in this channel I guess :)
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> old news
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> and no it's not very useful :)
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> but it's only a matter of time util they bend over
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> *until
2009-07-22.log:21:41 < Phreedom> kanzure: ok
2009-07-22.log:21:42 < Phreedom> although it's not necessarily as simple
2009-07-22.log:22:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: http://www.bibconverter.net/
2009-07-29.log:23:52 < Phreedom> :)
2009-07-31.log:10:32 < Phreedom> fenn: because the hole they already have doesn't have a sufficient throughput? ;)
2009-07-31.log:15:05 < Phreedom> hi :)
2009-08-01.log:01:30 < Phreedom> ybit: I call bullshit on this one: They store things in way too fancy formats (xml, rdf, sqlite, ... )
2009-08-01.log:01:30 < Phreedom> xml and rdf are text-based
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> ybit: no.
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> I'm supposed to defent my lovely rdf at all costs ;)
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> *defend
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: on you mean automated tools?
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: but some nice tool might just take a plaintext file with a list and then write it in another order
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: that's why I don't like text files :)
2009-08-01.log:01:50 < Phreedom> also I don't like generic diff tools
2009-08-01.log:01:50 < Phreedom> they don't work well for images, even svg
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> yeah, but you can't edit plaintext files by hand either
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you use tools
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you can't. you need to use an editor ;)
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> oh you mean the echo thing
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> so yeha, probably you can :)
2009-08-01.log:01:53 < Phreedom> fenn: that's the hard question
2009-08-01.log:01:53 < Phreedom> format-specific diff tools aren't exactly popular among the unix crowd
2009-08-01.log:01:54 < Phreedom> fenn: maybe they already do
2009-08-01.log:01:54 < Phreedom> there are lots of various xmldiff proggies out there
2009-08-01.log:02:00 < Phreedom> it's too late already
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> fenn: my observations of various spam bots make me doubt this
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> I saw lots of invalid email addresses
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> testing for email validity is rather hard
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> and can be abused by aanti-spam guys
2009-08-01.log:02:06 < Phreedom> so it's usually spammed for many years
2009-08-13.log:16:46 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: eh?
2009-08-13.log:16:51 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: not in my case ;)
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> fenn: not so
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> fenn: it's free if it satisfies some conditions
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> gpl is one of tools which make it possible
2009-08-18.log:10:54 < Phreedom> kanzure: well the difference is that open source cares about opening sources, while fsf cares about satisfying the criterias of free software
2009-08-18.log:10:55 < Phreedom> there are differences
2009-08-18.log:10:55 < Phreedom> tivoisation, patents and whatnot
2009-08-18.log:10:57 < Phreedom> BSD=open source
2009-08-18.log:10:58 < Phreedom> you can close the sources and patent algos
2009-08-18.log:10:58 < Phreedom> fenn: you can, yes
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> but it doesn't protect you from $SOME_EVIL_CORP doing nasty things
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> like tivoisation or simply withholding sources
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> eg I have a BSD formware in my router
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> but I can't modify it
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> it's some BSD os
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> but it doesn't help me at all
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> it's open source which suddenly becomes closed source
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> there are no safeguards
2009-08-18.log:11:02 < Phreedom> fenn: you are arguing about semantics of words
2009-08-18.log:11:02 < Phreedom> which is not correct
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> yes, this is a word play
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> we are talking about specific distribution/license terms
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> generally called open soruce and free software
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> one allows tivoisation, other tries to resist it as much as possible
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> one ignores patents, other tries to keep patent troubles to a minimum
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> one allows closing of the sources, other doesn't
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> SPECIFIC terms
2009-08-18.log:11:05 < Phreedom> not some general meaning of words open and source
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> BSD = an attempt at making stuff public domain, while still forcing people to say who created it
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> yeah enlgish sucks in this area
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> most other languages have different words for free and free
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < Phreedom> kanzure: freedom source? eh?
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < ybit> 11:01 < Phreedom> most other languages have different words for free and free
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < Phreedom> freedom is a noun
2009-08-18.log:11:08 < Phreedom> which isn't and exact translation
2009-08-18.log:11:08 < Phreedom> and->an
2009-08-18.log:11:09 < Phreedom> XXX is freedom of software... doesn't sound good either
2009-08-19.log:17:38 < Phreedom> kanzure:  bash? why not increase buf size in konsole? ;)
2009-09-08.log:19:12 < Phreedom> uncertainity isn't usually handy :P
2009-10-02.log:13:34 < Phreedom> o_O
2009-10-08.log:04:00 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: lots of useful info. thanks :)
2009-10-08.log:04:00 < Phreedom> this probably makes boat living not much better than rv
2009-10-08.log:04:02 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: you probably can't expect your small boat to safely cross the ocean too :(
2009-10-19.log:10:28 < Phreedom> :)
2009-10-19.log:15:18 < Phreedom> ybit: maybe because it's good? :P
2009-10-19.log:15:19 < Phreedom> yeah I know :)
2009-10-19.log:15:19 < Phreedom> until tomorrow
2009-10-19.log:15:20 < Phreedom> either way it's not a public site yet
2009-10-19.log:15:20 < Phreedom> kardan|: we'll care about it when it's available ;)
2009-10-19.log:15:21 < Phreedom> it's mostly me testing my website setup :)
2009-10-19.log:15:22 < Phreedom> kardan|: actually a number of software projects(eg inkscape) tried using xmpp for collaborative editing before
2009-10-23.log:13:42 < Phreedom> hi guys
2009-10-24.log:15:39 < Phreedom> hey I transferred 1.2 TB last month ;)
2009-10-24.log:15:40 < Phreedom> oh
2009-10-24.log:15:40 < Phreedom> but it's a regular home connection
2009-10-24.log:15:41 < Phreedom> ajax? why not do everything in flash? :P
2009-10-24.log:15:42 < Phreedom> and put it into a word file
2009-10-27.log:18:13 < Phreedom> lol
2009-10-27.log:18:19 < Phreedom> ybit: over your drawings of course
2009-10-29.log:00:47 < Phreedom> kanzure, ybit: pong
2009-10-29.log:00:48 < Phreedom> I tend to think that there must be a separate knowledge db/ apt-get like project, released under gpl-like license
2009-10-29.log:00:49 < Phreedom> the project would consist of heavily parametrized blueprints of stuff and a piece of software to calculate the parameters eg pick suitable materials
2009-10-29.log:00:50 < Phreedom> among these parameters would be price and time
2009-10-29.log:00:50 < Phreedom> also you can expect some packages to be(temporarily) closed-source, like electronic parts
2009-10-29.log:00:51 < Phreedom> this means that your software engine will sometimes decide that buying some part is the only way or the preferred way to build something
2009-10-29.log:00:51 < Phreedom> and here the commercial stuff gets its way until we build a molecular assembler
2009-10-29.log:00:53 < Phreedom> as a consequence some companies will offer their repositories of closed parts and cost/time estimation code for your hw apt-get to use
2009-10-29.log:00:54 < Phreedom> all this really follows deb's model: multiple repositories, package priorities, different licences...
2009-10-29.log:00:55 < Phreedom> this implies that there will be multiple commercial hw companies
2009-10-29.log:00:55 < Phreedom> if you offer skdb or anything under non-free license, nobody will care. if you do and place artifical limits, its are forked as soon as its useful
2009-10-29.log:00:56 < Phreedom> -are
2009-10-29.log:00:56 < Phreedom> I was under impression that skdb was in early pre-alpha stage at best, so only the name of the database project is up to discussion
2009-10-29.log:00:58 < Phreedom> and I thought that giving your project a nice name like omnifab is so much better than dfhk, or skdb or whatever :P
2009-10-29.log:00:58 < Phreedom> really I wasn't prepared to discuss anything commercial
2009-10-29.log:01:01 < Phreedom> the reasons are: skdb still doesn't exist so there's nothing to commercialize; there will be multiple and independent commercial manufacturers/part suppliers
2009-10-29.log:01:01 < Phreedom> when tiem comes and skbd gets closer to being useful, you can start such a company and do it before anyone else does, right
2009-10-29.log:01:02 < Phreedom> but I don't think you are discussing something like this now?
2009-10-29.log:01:44 < Phreedom> fenn: my point was that I thought I had come up with a nice name for the db and I didn't mind it being using for this. No contracts need to be signed, no strings attached since it's an open and free project
2009-10-29.log:01:47 < Phreedom> genehacker: I see you like very DIY-friendly technologies;)
2009-10-29.log:01:50 < Phreedom> genehacker: *ATM ;)
2009-10-29.log:01:50 < Phreedom> and no you don't have to DIY everything. using nvidia proprietary drivers on linux is so much better than running M$ crap
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> genehacker: you don't believe in the molecular assembly dairy tale?
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> *fairy
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> grr
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you better believe in it. you can then start a religion and get a tax-free status
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> it will work someday
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> and 5000 ton press isn't that huge
2009-10-29.log:01:52 < Phreedom> also you foget about community ownership options
2009-10-29.log:01:52 < Phreedom> even if you need such a press you don't need it everyday
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> genehacker: africans have been making diamonds for ages
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> with hammers and axes :)
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> I\'m even doubtful they are needed
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> genehacker: the largest obstacle to DIY things is electronics
2009-10-29.log:01:54 < Phreedom> ICs
2009-10-29.log:01:54 < Phreedom> and closed
2009-10-29.log:01:55 < Phreedom> single-electron transistors made from graphene. you know what you use to assemble this :)
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> either way this is wankery
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> lets do something that's useful and can be done right now
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> genehacker: don't ask me. I don't know what you are talking ;)
2009-10-29.log:01:57 < Phreedom> *talking about
2009-10-29.log:01:58 < Phreedom> most of the time you can work around these complex industrial processes
2009-10-29.log:01:59 < Phreedom> it might be slower, more expensive but who cares?
2009-10-29.log:01:59 < Phreedom> you can save on lawyers and secretaries to compensate for this
2009-10-29.log:02:00 < Phreedom> industry often has 10 specialized processes instead of 1 generic because it's cheaper at their scales. it doesn't mean we have to mirror them
2009-10-29.log:02:01 < Phreedom> while it's absolutely ok to do e-beam litho using your STM, it's totally unacceptable to the industry
2009-10-29.log:02:01 < Phreedom> not that many and really is it a big deal if commercial enterprises will still manufacture 5% of what you consume? ;)
2009-10-29.log:02:03 < Phreedom> or you can instead build your car with different materials like carbon fiber coposite
2009-10-29.log:02:04 < Phreedom> or yeah just make it out of shit metal instead. it will be weaker, but you can repair it at home :)
2009-10-29.log:02:05 < Phreedom> we really should concentrate on doing the most with the least effort. not doing everything. and then try harder things
2009-10-29.log:02:06 < Phreedom> you can expect that a DIY movement that can do 50% of stuff at home to greatly influence manufacturing ;)
2009-10-29.log:02:06 < Phreedom> not reprap but yeah, why not weave the fiber in place, coating it with epoxy on the go?
2009-10-29.log:02:09 < Phreedom> glass fibers are nice too and cheap
2009-10-29.log:02:09 < Phreedom> although most of the cost of fiber composites comes from manual work and low volumes
2009-10-29.log:02:15 < Phreedom> genehacker: glass fiber is cheap enough to be used for heat insulation
2009-10-29.log:02:15 < Phreedom> not in space mind you
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> or it was used sometime ago
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> probably less used now
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> at least in buildings
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> when you are dealing with higher temps, I believe it's still useful
2009-10-29.log:07:28 < Phreedom> lol
2009-10-29.log:07:37 < Phreedom> :)
2009-10-29.log:07:37 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: I like your neoimperialism
2009-10-29.log:07:38 < Phreedom> how about reliability, toxicity, charge cycles
2009-10-29.log:07:38 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: if you control their land, food, water...
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> it will work for some time
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> then people will demand more
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> and more and more
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> it's not like they build the infrastructure themselves
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> aaand why do you need so much land?
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> you could buy some cheapass land in the us too
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> yeah it would be much more expensive than africa, but only nominally
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> since it'd be cheaper than anything you might build there
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> some desert :)
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> why do you need unlimited water?
2009-10-29.log:07:43 < Phreedom> there are no natives in arizona :)
2009-10-29.log:07:44 < Phreedom> if you are prepared to defend yourself with guns and are ok with never leaving your premises, africa is indeed the land of freee
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> you have to defend anything of substance with lawyers
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> you can keep your laptop
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> while over there anything you happen to have is a treasure
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> I was talking to the us
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> *about
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> in somalia a typical us bum is a walking treasure
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> oh and a gun that you carry to defend you is a treasure too;)
2009-10-29.log:07:52 < Phreedom> there's a certain percentage of population that holds no allegiance
2009-10-29.log:07:52 < Phreedom> they take something if they can. even if it's detrimental to the society
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: but what you describe might make some sense for large-scale effort
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: you're yet to tell what huge thing you plan to manufacture
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> perhaps a space elevator? ;)
2009-10-29.log:07:54 < Phreedom> otherwise, really why bother owning a country?
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> kanzure: time
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> I'm tyring to break away from nepomuk
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> in a constructive way I mean
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> just to finish things that depend on me or things I can do so much better than anyone else
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> kanzure: there are no "strings"
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> but we need to agree on what's going to happen
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> if you want a better name for skdb
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> if skdb is released under a fossy license
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> then you can have the name
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> kanzure: quite possibly. I don't read the channel 100% of the time
2009-10-29.log:07:59 < Phreedom> commercial bullshit without contracts, shares etc sounds strange ;)
2009-10-29.log:08:01 < Phreedom> kanzure: really I saw my name being mentioned along with omnifab so I decided to chime in and explain how I see this whole thing
2009-10-29.log:08:04 < Phreedom> kanzure: if wikipedia's definition of misantropy is correct, then we all are misantropes :)
2009-10-29.log:13:39 < Phreedom> kanzure: I can't keep up with you guys. you are too spammy :(
2009-10-29.log:13:40 < Phreedom> kanzure: but if you decide something about the name let me know
2009-10-29.log:13:40 < Phreedom> just about anything :)
2009-10-29.log:13:42 < Phreedom> catching up is almost impossible. I go pee and have several pages to read after I come back
2009-11-23.log:01:04 < Phreedom> ybit: you barely have cli working for like months ;)
2009-12-12.log:16:44 < Phreedom> L29Ah: привет :)
2009-12-12.log:17:01 < Phreedom> :(
2009-12-12.log:17:01 < Phreedom> utf-8
2009-12-12.log:17:02 < Phreedom> :)
2009-12-12.log:17:03 < Phreedom> Utopiah: it's supposed to... at least in linux :)
2009-12-12.log:17:03 < Phreedom> L29Ah: troubles with encodings is the reason why I don't yet use jabber transports
2009-12-12.log:17:04 < Phreedom> as well as poor support of this in kopete:/
2009-12-12.log:17:06 < Phreedom> L29Ah: работает
2009-12-12.log:17:09 < Phreedom> L29Ah: basically I'd like to have something like quassel. the server keeps logs of everything and I log in from time to time. unf transports don't do this so i have to do it myself :(
2009-12-12.log:18:06 < Phreedom> Utopiah: cli for chat is a bit too much for me :)
2009-12-12.log:18:06 < Phreedom> hi kanzure
2009-12-15.log:00:48 < Phreedom> ybit: eh?
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> randallagordon: having grown up not really using internet I really fear to lose it :)
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> offtopic I know
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> disregard me :)
2010-01-06.log:14:41 < Phreedom> timschmidt: depends on what you consider "accuracy"
2010-01-06.log:14:42 < Phreedom> if you are referring to lapping, yes
2010-01-06.log:14:42 < Phreedom> try making a leadscrew that's more precise than machine's leadscrews
2010-01-06.log:14:46 < Phreedom> timschmidt: I'm talking about things like linearity
2010-01-06.log:14:47 < Phreedom> making a more linear thread that's larger than the machine's working area(which is smaller than the machine's leadscrews) is pretty much impossible
2010-01-06.log:17:55 < Phreedom> timschmidt: good point about diagonal placement :)
2010-01-06.log:17:57 < Phreedom> timschmidt: there are some designs which have working area = 1/2 of table length and these won't work with diagonal placement
2010-01-06.log:17:57 < Phreedom> more space-efficient designs can probably fit
2010-01-06.log:17:58 < Phreedom> so well, if you try hard probably you'll be abl to do it
2010-01-06.log:17:58 < Phreedom> but I wouldn't want to be the one who does it :)
2010-01-12.log:00:32 < Phreedom> hi
2010-01-13.log:15:47 < Phreedom> you can expect idiots to throw shit at open source more, not less
2010-01-13.log:15:47 < Phreedom> as it gains even more recognition
2010-01-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> fenn: no, not in this case
2010-01-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> the kbd feels pretty solid
2010-02-11.log:19:28 < Phreedom> I wish something like this happened locally :(
2010-03-04.log:15:48 < Phreedom> fenn: actually a lot more languages die every year :)
2010-03-04.log:15:48 < Phreedom> mostly because they are useless
2010-03-04.log:16:23 < Phreedom> fenn: you expect any kind of order or system in arcane hieroglyphs?
2010-03-04.log:16:25 < Phreedom> just ask some fairy to fix the pic then ;)
2010-03-19.log:13:34 < Phreedom> :)
2010-09-24.log:22:19 < Phreedom> hi :)