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21:55 <@gmaxwell> Irritating; I looked into doing blindsigning for PGP, e.g. so you could create a PGP pubkey that signed any pubkey that donated to a charity without creating a link between the donation transaction and the signed pubkey.
21:56 <@gmaxwell> Though the latest gpg stuff supports a ed25519 schnorr signature-- it can't be done.  If you blind the data being signed, signatures of other people's keys are done with the main identity key and can be used to sign things like key revocations.
21:57 <@gmaxwell> So (absent some obnoxiously complex thing like a SNARK) you cannot have someone blind pgp sign without also allowing nussance signatures, like them adding subkeys to your key or issuing revocations, or changing your email address.
22:01 <@gmaxwell> (another example of why a scriptpubkey is #@$@# useful)
22:10 < TD-Linux> gmaxwell, yeah I found the lack of subkeys for gpg a bit annoying too
22:11 <@gmaxwell> yea, if you could create a subkey that was limited to only sign for other keys and _nothing else_ then I'd be fine.
23:07 < midnightmagic> gpg-ng
23:08 <@gmaxwell> yea, well we've talked about any bitcoin-script-ng we'd do, we'd first take to GPG as a new keytype.
23:09 <@gmaxwell> snowballs chance in hell at getting it formally standarized esp with how throughly compromised the openpgp process seems, but perhaps we could push it via adoption.
23:10 < midnightmagic> Can I read more (no matter how much volume there is) about the process being seemingly compromised?
23:10 <@gmaxwell> (to be clear: it's spooks and k00ks are generally indistinguishable, so its hard to tell which is compromising OpenPGP-- just any useful discussion on it gets mired with stupidity)
23:10 <@gmaxwell> IETF OpenPGP list-- it's an impression many people get from it.
23:11 < midnightmagic> And second question, in the event it's unrelated: a while back you were complaining about the kook ratio in another crypto mailing list but since they all call themselves roughly the same thing I couldn't tell which one you were talking about. Which was that?
23:11  * midnightmagic joins and looks for archival downloads..
23:13 <@gmaxwell> Well I was whining recently about the password hashing competition list; but I think my complaint there is about a couple people who think they understand cryptocurrency needs and keep going on and on even though its (1) offtopic, and (2) their undertanding is very poor.  Result being that it makes me feel like the whole process is stupid (because these guys keep making fools of themselves blathering o
23:13 <@gmaxwell> n about cryptocurrency where I _know_ they're underinformed.. e.g. on the on-topic stuff where perhaps I'm less able to judge, maybe they're just as stupid at that. :) )
23:14 <@gmaxwell> E.g. "Bill Cox" on PHC list keep going on about memory had POW functions for cryptocurrency and coming up with new broken constructs. (like stuff, I broke 4 years ago.. with 10 minutes of thinking about it)
23:14 < midnightmagic> PHC..  that's the one.
23:14 <@gmaxwell> And has not stopped after I politely pointed out off-list that the posts are offtopic and (later) are making the list look bad.
23:16 <@gmaxwell> sort of that sinking feeling you get when the press reports on something you know really well; and you realize how terribly wrong it is and then realize that it's probably always that bad but on other subjects you can't tell.
23:21 < midnightmagic> my wife's sister works for a major news channel in canada doing editor work. most of it is completely fabricated in a way that only a tiny number of people could ever usefully discern. graphics are unrelated, maps are of fictional street intersections, editing people shots have nothing to do with the event, aren't even on the same day, and a good chunk of the time simple reporter laziness just mak
23:21 < midnightmagic> es crap up that people didn't say
23:22 <@gmaxwell> yea, I know in articles in mass media I've been quoted in the rule has been a minimum of one material mispresentation per article.
23:41 < TD-Linux> I wonder if lets encrypt will offer S/MIME certs at some point. so that even less people can verify my email signature
23:42 <@gmaxwell> hah
23:55 < midnightmagic> i verify! I find broken sigs all the time in email, nobody ever comments on them