--- Log opened Fri Oct 16 00:00:48 2020
00:02 < belcher> if they want to follow the chat read-only, they can read the logs (which are in the topic)
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05:56 < michaelfolkson> Also hopefully this channel will have no purpose soon
05:56  * michaelfolkson crosses fingers
05:59 < michaelfolkson> I guess there will still be discussion and questions on activation after consensus on activation method has been reached
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05:59 < michaelfolkson> Stuff like this may be discussed here https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/10/27/segwit-upgrade-guide/
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07:37 < darosior> michaelfolkson: "after consensus on activation method has been reached" => have you thought about how we can measure that ?
07:39 < michaelfolkson> darosior: I think aj is collecting together views of companies, devs, miners etc. Is that right aj or am I spreading inaccurate info?
07:41 < michaelfolkson> If I'm right and there is a large majority that don't care, they just want activation by any means I think that makes easier
07:41 < michaelfolkson> Can effectively add their support to whatever has majority support
07:43 < michaelfolkson> At the moment I think majority support is BIP 8, "let's see what happens" but I could be wrong
07:45 < michaelfolkson> Certainly interested to hear opposing views to that. Apathy seems biggest challenge thus far
08:03 < nickler> "let's see what happens" is quite an exotic proposal imo (3 months timeout) so I doubt the majority is even aware of that.
08:05 < michaelfolkson> What's your preferred option nickler ideally out of the choices outlined here? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Taproot_activation_proposals
08:07 < ghost43> we could just do BIP8(false, 1y) and keep debating while the clock is at least running :P
08:09 < michaelfolkson> "if it fails for no good reason, we’ll have wasted an entire year"
08:10 < ghost43> not starting the clock and debating is even more wasted time
08:12 < michaelfolkson> Yup seems reasonable
08:13 < michaelfolkson> And I suspect if we do end up wasting a year there will be urgency to not waste anymore time at the end of the year
08:16 < nickler> michaelfolkson: Deploying "start now improve later" without any upfront commitment is a good option. If it doesn't activate, the community can do a parallel bip8(true) UASF. Hopefully this will also incentivize better out-of-band coordination mechanisms.
08:22 < michaelfolkson> I think I prefer parallel UASF as last resort rather than choosing BIP8 (true)
08:23 < michaelfolkson> But you could do UASF after "let's see what happens" or "BIP 9 equivalent" fails too
08:23 < michaelfolkson> I don't think it really matters
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08:56 < nickler> Parallel would be safer than after because it'd activate for bip8(false) users protecting them from now invalid chains produced by the remaining 5% (or more if signalling is dishonest).
09:10 < michaelfolkson> Interesting... TIL
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10:11 < luke-jr> IMO we should do BIP8(true, 2y) beginning in December, and we can discuss hastening it later if needed
10:12 < luke-jr> I'd be fine with BIP8(true,1y) beginning in Dec too tho :P
10:13 < luke-jr> (if we are releasing before Nov)
10:13 < luke-jr> maybe Dec is too early even then
10:13 < luke-jr> let's see how quickly 0.21 gets rolled out?
10:14 < luke-jr> anyway, getting BIP8 merged is IMO still higher priority than deciding the params
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