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02:14 < instagibbs> newest iteration of PR looks much nicer, good work achow101 and aj
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05:24 < jnewbery> instagibbs: I agree. Great stuff!
05:50 <@michaelfolkson> maaku on block height vs MTP. He doesn't want to be involved understandably but worth reading https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21393#issuecomment-815698514
05:50 <@michaelfolkson> I will update my StackExchange answer
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05:52 <@michaelfolkson> "There is no way that some new state machine for MTP-based activation could receive the same amount of review in the speedy trial timeline."
05:53 <@michaelfolkson> I personally have lost track of what the state machine is
05:54 <@michaelfolkson> I will look it up to see what today's state machine is
05:54 < instagibbs> it's a lot simpler than previous iterations(if the previous pictures are to be believd, I didn't review those)
05:55 < instagibbs> I let out a "yikes" for one of them when reading the PR history
05:55 <@michaelfolkson> Which one? Were you happy with the one in BIP 8?
05:55 < instagibbs> michaelfolkson, useful to put up bip9 state machine side by side when reviewing
05:57 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/21377#issuecomment-809646100 think was this one
05:57 < instagibbs> latest one is much cleaner imo
05:57 < harding> BIP9: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bitcoin/bips/master/bip-0009/states.png  21377: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/127186/113842362-f342c680-97d5-11eb-89ea-15dd3c114a46.png
06:00 < instagibbs> nsig == number signaling, not number sigs... (had to ask)
06:02 < harding> Hah, yeah, I had that same confusion for a bit.
06:02 <@michaelfolkson> We're all comfortable with this right? I'm not wasting my time looking at this? We literally have the author of the MTP BIP telling us we shouldn't be using it for activation based on years of discussion.
06:03 < harding> michaelfolkson: maaku authored *a* BIP related to MTP, he didn't create MTP; it was part of Bitcoin 0.1.
06:04 <@michaelfolkson> Ok
06:11 < instagibbs> You are the master of your own review time :) I hope it is the goal of everyone to make a safe deployment of taproot, even if they slightly prefer one or the other minutia.
06:12 < instagibbs> If you don't think it's a small matter, well I guess it's even more crucial you review
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06:15 <@michaelfolkson> Honestly I think I'm totally aligned with what you've said instagibbs. I think block height is superior (many seem to think it is) and I have no idea how we got here. But I'm not going to NACK this if reviewers more experienced than me say its ok (and I think it is ok)
06:18 < instagibbs> In my lowly estimation they're similarish risk profiles, and some people flipped a coin :shrug:
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06:48 < belcher_> achow101 writes that the coin flip is _not_ what made the decision, but an agreement between him and aj
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06:54 < instagibbs> made *his* decision, I presume
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06:57 <@aj> i think the coinflip agreement had some caveat that made it contingent on me and achow101 not finding an agreement? i didn't really follow it
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07:03 < harding> Yes, we agreed to honor the coinflip unless, within a day of the flip, AJ and Andrew came to an agreement we could each personally support.
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07:13 <@aj> oh, that's a day longer than i figured then i guess
07:18 < instagibbs> makes for a more boring movie adaptation tbh
07:19 < copumpkin> my support of coinflip was more saying "I don't really care which PR, let's please just do one of them" :)
07:19 < copumpkin> so if you came to an agreement that's even better
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07:44 < AaronvanW> if we're doing coin flips to decide on activation parameters, can't we just do a coin flip between LOT=true and LOT=false...
07:44 < AaronvanW> (I remember that adam3us literally suggested that a couple months ago.)
07:45 < copumpkin> I think you'll find fewer people who consider those to be equivalent enough that they don't care about the outcome of the coinflip :)
07:45 < copumpkin> but perhaps!
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08:00 < instagibbs> copumpkin, +1, disagreement seems deeper on those
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