--- Day changed Sun Nov 24 2019 01:32 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.167.173.229] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 02:22 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@mue-88-130-54-089.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 05:36 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 05:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.167.173.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@mue-88-130-54-089.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:09 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:44 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.167.173.229] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 07:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 07:49 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.220.8] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 07:49 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.220.8] has quit [Changing host] 07:49 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 08:09 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.220.8] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 08:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.220.8] has quit [Changing host] 08:19 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 08:33 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@91.132.136.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54 < waxwing> sipa, i'm curios, why do you say that? i don't see why both aren't valid outcomes from that process (both are verifiable). 08:57 < sipa> waxwing: the schnorr identification protocol is A picks k and sends R=kG, B picks a random e and sends it, A sends s=k+e*x 08:57 < waxwing> gmaxwell, in stuff like AOS and your later borromean construction, and i think some other similar constructs, i think using e- helps to allow compaction, because the transcript being hashed is much longer. i guess it's not relevant to this conversation, but seems like an interesting detail. 08:57 < sipa> right? 08:57 < waxwing> right 08:58 < sipa> so what A sends is R,s, and e is replaced with a hash of R in the fiat-shamir transform 08:58 < waxwing> the transcript is (R, e, s); but providing either e- or R- is sufficient for proof under the given hardness assumptions. (in the transformed case, where e is a derived quantity) 08:59 < sipa> of course, we know it is equivalent 08:59 < sipa> but what A sends is R,s 08:59 < waxwing> in the SIDP. sure. 09:02 < sipa> maybe my point is that the "most natural" fiat-shamir transformation of SIDP results in the (R,s) form 09:07 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@mue-88-130-54-089.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:08 < waxwing> maybe. 'commitment, (implicit challenge), response'. but seems like a stretch to make the distinction. perhaps you can say it's cleaner, and that's also indirectly why batch verification is possible. 09:30 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@91.132.136.84] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:33 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:34 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 10:07 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 10:49 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 11:13 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.167.173.229] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 12:07 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.37.175] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 14:15 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 14:18 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.80] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 14:18 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.80] has quit [Changing host] 14:18 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 14:23 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:24 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 14:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@mue-88-130-54-089.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@pool-100-33-69-78.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 15:35 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 16:03 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 16:24 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 17:00 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@91.132.136.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@pool-100-33-69-78.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 18:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:12 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 23:07 -!- _andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 23:09 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]