--- Day changed Mon Dec 14 2015
00:00 < Luke-Jr> is cfields back from HK yet btw?
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00:36 < gmaxwell> v3 block setback, alas. :)
00:38 < jonasschnelli> 940/1000! That was quick.
00:49 < Luke-Jr> uh oh, critical bug in CLTV. quick, downgrade all miners. J/K
00:50 < randy-waterhouse> not funny
00:51 < Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: you can actually get to jonasschnelli's webserver? O.o
00:52 < phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, why wouldn't be?
00:52 < Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: because it's broken
00:52 < Luke-Jr> has been for days
00:52 < phantomcircuit> uh
00:52 < Luke-Jr> An error occurred during a connection to bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long) 
00:52 < phantomcircuit> not it's not :P
00:53 < Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: … it totally is, in all my browsers
00:54 < phantomcircuit> then you've got a problem
00:54 < jonasschnelli> SSL1 handshake is okay: openssl s_client -connect bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch:443 -ssl1
00:54 < jonasschnelli> SSL2 and 3 not: openssl s_client -connect bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch:443 -ssl2
00:55 < GitHub172> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f43c2f9a8a30760c34dd4691de4ed4d7a7b9969e
00:55 < GitHub172> bitcoin/0.12 f43c2f9 Matt Corallo: Add "NODE_BLOOM" to guiutil so that peers don't get UNKNOWN[4]...
00:55  * Luke-Jr wonders if there's any way to force SSL1
00:56 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: anyway, can you check that the DMG looks right on Mac?
00:56 < MarcoFalke> Luke-Jr, I can @home but not @uni
00:56 < Luke-Jr> aw
00:56 < Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: oh, you mean access his site?
00:56 < MarcoFalke> yes
00:56 < Luke-Jr> same computer?
00:57 < MarcoFalke> yes
00:57  * Luke-Jr scratches his head
00:57 < MarcoFalke> You could use the tor browser. Works for me
01:00 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr : the background.tiff misses the @2x (HiDPI) resolution.
01:00 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: that was not being included in the DMG at all before..?
01:00 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: without that, all "retina" macs (probably 50%) won't see a background.
01:00 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: it was. I just compared the files.
01:00 < Luke-Jr> how/where?
01:00 < jonasschnelli> I made it with a little tool called "tiffutils"
01:01 < jonasschnelli> combine two tiff into one.
01:01 < Luke-Jr> O.o
01:01 < jonasschnelli> syntax. tiffutil -cathidpicheck infile1 infile2 -out outfile
01:01 < Luke-Jr> is that in Ubuntu? :|
01:01 < jonasschnelli> Mac OSX! :)
01:01 < Luke-Jr> -.-
01:01 < jonasschnelli> But i'm pretty sure this also exists on linux somehow.
01:02 < jonasschnelli> http://www.unix.com/man-page/All/1/tiffutil/
01:02 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: you opened the box of pandora!
01:02  * Luke-Jr stabs Apple
01:03 < jonasschnelli> hah
01:03 < Luke-Jr> why don't they just use two separate PNGs?
01:03 < Luke-Jr> who uses TIFF these days
01:03 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: Yeah. Though the same. But i guess for backdrops only TIFF works..
01:04 < Luke-Jr> ?
01:04 < MarcoFalke> tif has metadata support but I don't see why this is needed here
01:04 < MarcoFalke> PNG is just fine these days
01:04 < jonasschnelli> I think it's just legacy.
01:04 < jonasschnelli> You don't want to have a background that only works on newer mac osx.
01:05 < MarcoFalke> Yeah, and it's nice to have both images in one multipage tif
01:05 < jonasschnelli> And they where probably shy in changing, deprecating the tiff stuff
01:05 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: how to you place the font? SVG then imagemagick SVG->TIFF?
01:05 < jonasschnelli> The kerning could be better (nit).
01:06 < jonasschnelli> Bit>c<oin (c is a bit lost between space)
01:06 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: cairosvg SVG->PNG, imagemagick PNG->TIFF
01:07 < jonasschnelli> hmm... why not imagemagick SVG -> TIFF? Should work. Although quality might be a problem...
01:07 < Luke-Jr> its SVG rendering sucked
01:08 < jonasschnelli> right... I also encountered that. I was using inkscape (or something called similar)
01:08 < Luke-Jr> Google comes up with zero useful results trying to find any info on multi-res TIFF (outside of Apple)
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01:12 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: it's probably unused outside of apples background dmg retina problem
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01:12 < Luke-Jr> I couldn't even find a spec
01:18 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: it should be somewhere around http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/tcl/tcl-87/tcl_ext/tkimg/tkimg/libtiff/tools/tiffcp.c
01:20 < jonasschnelli> tiffs standard somehow describes the multi image thing. It's also used for thumbnails within a tiff file.
01:21 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: that's the tool you need: http://linux.die.net/man/1/tiffcp
01:21 < Luke-Jr> 	libtiff-tools on Ubuntu
01:21 < Luke-Jr> any idea the usage we want?
01:23 < jonasschnelli> maybe just "tiffcp <background_normal> <background_hidpi> background.tiff"?
01:23 < jonasschnelli> Or: "tiffcp -c lzw a.tif b.tif result.tif"
01:24 < jonasschnelli> I guess just adding "libtiff-tools" in gitian should do the work.
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01:30 < Luke-Jr> I was going to use -c none since the DMG is itself compressed?
01:38 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: Right. Compression does not make huge sense.
01:38 < jonasschnelli> (It would be deflated anyways when opening the DMG)
01:39 < Luke-Jr> I figure trying to compress here just adds a risk of non-determinism :P
01:39 < jonasschnelli> But the file might be relatively height (1-2MB) when not using lzw
01:39 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: ah. Good point.
01:40 < jonasschnelli> The dmg's size should not be different (also z compressed)
01:40 < jonasschnelli> (slightly different, but not much)
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01:59 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: pushed a tiffcp version
02:00 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: oh. Fast. Will kick the builder...
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02:26 < MarcoFalke> How do people store their pgp signing master-key?
02:26 < MarcoFalke> dev machine or hidden box in the basement?
02:27 < jcorgan> keep going
02:27 < randy-waterhouse> h/ware wallet?
02:27 < Taek> pgp hardware wallet sounds desirable
02:28 < MarcoFalke> no, I mean the key used to sign your subkeys for email, gitian etc.
02:29 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke: i'm working on a bitcoin/pgp/ssh hardware wallet
02:29 < Luke-Jr> I refuse to disclose precisely :P
02:30 < jonasschnelli> GPG2.1 supports ECC btw.
02:31 < MarcoFalke> I was wondering if it's slightly more secure to create a vm on my box to do the gpg stuff instead of doing it on the host system
02:32 < gmaxwell> a number of people around here are using openpgp smartcards. (e.g. yubikey)
02:32 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke: if your host is compromised, you VM is also.
02:32 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: are you the one I had to upgrade my GPG for? :P
02:32 < jonasschnelli> nono.. :) Not using ECC key right now.
02:32 < Luke-Jr> someone is
02:32 < gmaxwell> I currently use a seperate host for my gpg key, but it's a nussance, planning on trying to move at least one of the signing subkeys to a pgp smartcard.
02:33 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: matt I think
02:33 < jonasschnelli> Will do as soon as i can have a hw wallet that support bitcoin/pgp/ssh with the same device.
02:33  * Luke-Jr sorts by size: Jonathan Wilkins
02:34 < jonasschnelli> the bad is, gpg and ssh do not support the k1 curve...
02:34 < Luke-Jr> actually, that one is Ed25519
02:35 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: any results on the DMG btw?
02:35 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: still building: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/pulls/7192/
02:35 < Luke-Jr> still can't connect.. :p
02:35 < jonasschnelli> (i should have pass ONLY_OSX though)
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02:43 < jcorgan> the pgp smartcard idea is attractive, but it's not clear how you provide backup/disaster recovery/redundancy for the secrety key material
02:43 < jonasschnelli> jcorgan: agree. And mind: smartcards are close-source.
02:44 < jonasschnelli> A GPG/SSH hw wallet infrastructure that works together with bip32 would be a better solution.
02:44 < btcdrak> MarcoFalke: trying to sign with a smartcard in a VM is a disaster
02:45 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: what os, browser are you using. I can verify the SSL/https connection on Ubuntu 15.05 with FF.
02:45 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: can you eliminate the side channels?
02:45 < jcorgan> jonasschnelli: i've also been chewing on the idea a "password keeper" that generates/regenerates passwords using BIP32-derived secret keys
02:45 < MarcoFalke> Haven't heard of the smartcard yet. Looking into this right now, but it seems a vm is not needed when using a smart card.
02:45 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: Gentoo stable x86; tested on Konqueror/KDE, Chromium, and Firefox
02:46 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: our hw wallet does eliminate most SD attacks, thanks to libsecp256k1.
02:46 < gmaxwell> jcorgan: you generate the key external to the card, back it up, load it on the card.
02:46 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: would you load the card over a PC?
02:47 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: e.g. on an offline machine.
02:47 < jonasschnelli> hmm... that's why i think a secure hw wallet needs a SDcard port (or similar)
02:47 < jcorgan> gmaxwell: i'm not familiar; didn't know you could d/l secret key material
02:48 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: have you spoken with the Ledger guys much? they seem to know a lot about sidechannel stuff
02:48 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: Because Ledger is using close source/ patented smart cards, its had fallen out of my personal selection.
02:49 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: they're doing that because it's supposedly the only way they can do it secure
02:49 < jonasschnelli> The trezor side channel attack was possible because of it's ecc implementation i guess.
02:49 < gmaxwell> jcorgan: at least some pgp smartcards will let you _upload_ keys.
02:49 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: i don't understand how patents/close source can make it secure.
02:49 < jcorgan> i will have a new laptop with smartcard reader shortly.  would love to reconstruct a chain of trust through it to ssh/pgp/btc
02:50 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: not the patents/closed operative there
02:50 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: just that the less-closed stuff (nothing is open..) isn't secure
02:51 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: I don't know the details though, so if you're planning to build something, it might be good to chat with them
02:52 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: our product is build and should be ready for shipment in jan 16. But right,... will talk to nicolas soon (but more about standard for wallet integration)
02:58 < jcorgan> gmaxwell: is there a good reference you'd receommend on learning these different smart card approaches, their vulnerabilities, and best practices?
02:59 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: still no background. :/
02:59 < jonasschnelli> commit d5f4683 correct?
03:00 < jonasschnelli> no wait: 209dd10
03:00 < Luke-Jr> 209dd10 is current
03:00 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Seems up to date.
03:00 < Luke-Jr> I wonder if the DS_Store thing doesn't work :/
03:00 < Luke-Jr> I think I left out a few fields that seemed irrelevant
03:00 < jonasschnelli> Hmm.. just checked the tiff file,.. contains only one image i guess.
03:00 < Luke-Jr> ⁈
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03:01 < Luke-Jr> tiffinfo shows two
03:01 < jonasschnelli> Commands wrong: /usr/bin/tiffcp -c none dpi36.background.tiff dist/.background/background.tiff
03:02 < Luke-Jr> hm
03:02 < jonasschnelli> There should be two images, one 72dpi and one 144dpi
03:02 < jonasschnelli> But need to say, ... impressive PR! As said, you did open the box of pandora. :)
03:03 < Luke-Jr> aha
03:03 < Luke-Jr> ok, pushed a fix for that.. $< is only one dependency, we needed $^
03:04  * jonasschnelli is re-building 7192 (mac only)
03:04 < gmaxwell> jcorgan: buy beer for petertodd. At least in our community I think he's used more of that than the rest of us.
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03:16 < wumpus> jonasschnelli: let's move ahead on #7068, it seems a trivial step away from being merged
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03:24 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: Right... something was holding me back...
03:25 < jonasschnelli> But I guess it's useful in the way how the current PR works.
03:25 < jonasschnelli> Will rebase.
03:27 < wumpus> well if it's not useful enough (e.g. you can achieve the same with BITCOIND=bitcoin-qt ./test...) we should close it
03:28 < wumpus> but I think it makes sense
03:29 < jonasschnelli> Just passing BITCOIND=bitcoin-qt won't work because of the missing -server argument. So a change is required anyways. Will rebase.
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03:37 < wumpus> -server=1 could always be passed with no loss of functionality
03:40 < wumpus> I think that's the right thing to do
03:40 < wumpus> even if we add this option
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03:44 < GitHub69> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b7c704abab4e...ea0f5a2b04bb
03:44 < GitHub69> bitcoin/master e1030dd Patrick Strateman: Note that reviewers should mention the commit hash of the commits they reviewed.
03:44 < GitHub69> bitcoin/master ea0f5a2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7185...
03:45 < GitHub104> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7185: Note that reviewers should mention the id of the commits they reviewed. (master...2015-12-07-contributingackcommit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7185
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04:04 < GitHub91> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ea0f5a2b04bb...5f3c670d1222
04:04 < GitHub91> bitcoin/master 979698c Jonas Schnelli: [RPC-Tests] add option to run rpc test over QT clients
04:04 < GitHub91> bitcoin/master 5f3c670 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7068...
04:04 < GitHub60> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7068: [RPC-Tests] add simple way to run rpc test over QT clients (master...2015/11/rpc_tests_qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7068
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04:08 < GitHub149> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5f3c670d1222...dc511dcfd9ea
04:08 < GitHub149> bitcoin/master b6915b8 accraze: checks for null data transaction before debug.log...
04:08 < GitHub149> bitcoin/master c611acc accraze: wallet: check if tx scriptPubKey is unspendable
04:08 < GitHub149> bitcoin/master d812daf accraze: fix logic for error log
04:08 < GitHub92> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7200: Checks for null data transaction before issuing error to debug.log (master...null-tx-debug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7200
04:10 < GitHub83> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/06c6a584635bb42c511baf505cebd7cdf77b89e9
04:10 < GitHub83> bitcoin/0.12 06c6a58 accraze: Checks for null data transaction before issuing error to debug.log...
04:10 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: build error: "Not a TIFF or MDI file, bad magic number 64207 (0xfacf)."
04:11 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: this is wrong: 
04:11 < jonasschnelli> $(TIFFCP) -c none $^ $@
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04:12 < jonasschnelli> Results in: /usr/bin/tiffcp -c none dpi36.background.tiff dpi72.background.tiff dist/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt dist/.background/background.tiff
04:12 < jonasschnelli> which has one argument to much
04:12 < jonasschnelli> should be /usr/bin/tiffcp -c none dpi36.background.tiff dpi72.background.tiff dist/.background/background.tiff
04:30 < GitHub12> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7208: Make max tip age an option instead of chainparam (master...2015_12_maxtipage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7208
04:42 < GitHub166> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dc511dcfd9ea...7a5040155ed5
04:42 < GitHub166> bitcoin/master 5400ef6 Pieter Wuille: Replace trickle nodes with per-node/message Poisson delays...
04:42 < GitHub166> bitcoin/master 7a50401 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7125...
04:42 < GitHub183> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7125: Replace global trickle node with random delays (master...timetrickle) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7125
04:44 < GitHub8> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/10b88be79856ee7ee66f69705c16b335941e396e
04:44 < GitHub8> bitcoin/0.12 10b88be Pieter Wuille: Replace trickle nodes with per-node/message Poisson delays...
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05:15 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: BITCOIND=bitcoin-qt ./qa/pull-tester/rpc-tests.py won't work.
05:15 < wumpus> why not?
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05:16 < jonasschnelli> Because rpc-tests.py overwrite BITCOIND
05:16 < jonasschnelli> Only calling the test direct does work for now.
05:16 < jonasschnelli> We should probably add a check if BITCOIND is already defined in rpc-tests.py
05:16 < wumpus> it shouldn't override those
05:16 < wumpus> if they're already set
05:16 < wumpus> right
05:17 < wumpus> if not 'BITCOIND' in os.environ: ...
05:17 < jonasschnelli> Right...
05:17 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/qa/pull-tester/rpc-tests.py#L65
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05:19 < GitHub158> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7209: test: don't override BITCOIND and BITCOINCLI if they're set (master...2015_12_rpctests_setenviron) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7209
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07:43 < instagibbs> Does Core exclusively use openssl for secure prng? 
07:46 < phantomcircuit> instagibbs, it's my understanding that it should
07:47 < instagibbs> thanks
07:49 < wumpus> yes, at this point it does
07:50 < wumpus> there's plans to move away from openssl for random generation, but not yet
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08:01 < GitHub156> [bitcoin] EthanHeilman opened pull request #7212: Adds unittests for CAddrMan and CAddrinfo, removes source of non-determinism. (master...unittest) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7212
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09:20 < btcdrak> BIP65 enforced
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09:34 < cfields> Luke-Jr: back now
09:35 < cfields> Luke-Jr: just starting the catch-up process. Something need my attention asap?
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09:48 < Luke-Jr> cfields: probably not asap
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09:58 < cfields> Luke-Jr: well, what were you referring to?
09:59 < Luke-Jr> cfields: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7192 needs some depends attention
09:59 < cfields> thanks
10:00 < Luke-Jr> cfields: also, the depends/ system throws native packages under built/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/ on 32-bit systems
10:00 < Luke-Jr> but I'm not sure there are any negative side-effects of that
10:01 < cfields> Luke-Jr: it just uses the result of config.guess, so it should match the "build" result of other autoconf runs
10:02 < Luke-Jr> autoconf also misdetects - I have to set --build manually
10:02 < cfields> Luke-Jr: whoa, those are some pretty big deps to add. I'll have to look carefully at that.
10:03 < Luke-Jr> note that Ubuntu Trusty's cairosvg package is basically broken :/
10:03 < cfields> Luke-Jr: but yea, i've wanted to do something similar for a while now
10:03 < cfields> simply for the goal of making it easier for alts to contribute upstream
10:05 < cfields> Luke-Jr: surely there are some lighter-weight tools available?
10:05 < Luke-Jr> not afaik
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10:05 < Luke-Jr> stupid Apple insisted on using a niche format
10:06 < cfields> whoa, is that a dsstore generator?!
10:06 < Luke-Jr> yes
10:06 < cfields> neat!
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11:36 < GitHub24> [bitcoin] mb300sd opened pull request #7213: Rename OP_NOP2 to OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (master...rename-opnop2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7213
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12:39 < sdaftuar> is there anything special that needs to be done to make travis work well on personal repos?  i enabled travis on my fork of the project so i could test branches before opening PRs, but they fail a lot for strange reasons (even when the same branch succeeds as part of a bitcoin core PR)
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12:56 < MarcoFalke> sdaftuar, when did you enable travis?
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12:57 < MarcoFalke> It might be using the container-based env ( https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/ci-environment/#Virtualization-environments ) which might cause problems
12:57 < sdaftuar> probably last year?
12:57 < MarcoFalke> Just a guess, though
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12:57 < sdaftuar> hm. does bitcoin core use the container-based environment?
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12:58 < MarcoFalke> I'd guess its using "Standard" but haven't checked that either.
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13:12 < GitHub92> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7214: qt5: Use the fixed font the system recommends (master...MarcoFalke-2015-qt5monospace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7214
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17:32 < Luke-Jr> sipa: FYI, there are actually people and miners using master in production (albeit not many enough that it should be a problem)
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18:37 < dcousens> sipa: indeed
18:37 < dcousens> uh, Luke-Jr*
18:38 < dcousens> but, those same cases are probably running custom policies anyway
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19:03 < Luke-Jr> dcousens: yes, that guy's problem was clearly unrelated to these facts
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19:36 < sipa> Luke-Jr: ok, good to know?
19:37 < sipa> s/\?//
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20:36 < dcousens> Luke-Jr: why is the ECDSA mess in Fedora relevant?
20:36 < Luke-Jr> dcousens: because it's impossible to support building it against the OS as a result…………….nevermind, we switched to libsecp256k1
20:37 < dcousens> right
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