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00:51 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: can you minimally modify the generated DS_Store to work, and post me the working file?
00:52 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: (not on your broken SSL server..)
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03:53 < Luke-Jr> hm, maybe I found a trivial bug in RBF logic.. it seems to be checking the replacement pays more fees than the replaced *plus* what would be required of the replacement on its own
03:53 < Luke-Jr> rather than what would be required for both..
03:55 < Luke-Jr> so if the replaced transaction had 1 BTC in fees, the replacment must have 1 BTC + relayMinimums(replacement), when it might be argued that it ought be relayMinimums(replaced) + relayMinimums(replacement)
03:55 < Luke-Jr> thoughts?
03:55 < aj> Luke-Jr: the 1BTC already includes relayMinimums(replaced) though?
03:56 < MarcoFalke> But relayMinimums(replaced) + relayMinimums(replacement) can be smaller than 1 BTC
03:56 < Luke-Jr> ^
03:57 < Luke-Jr> so what we really would want is fee(replacement) > max(relayMinimums(replaced)+relayMinimums(replacement), fee(replaced))
03:57 < aj> yeah, i thought that was to make RBF deliberately "expensive"
03:58 < Luke-Jr> I don't follow..
04:00 < Luke-Jr> unless you mean logic-less inflation of RBF costs
04:00 < aj> i've seen gmaxwell (iirc) explain it on reddit as RBF having to pay for the cost of replacing both transactions
04:00 < aj> i didn't follow why that was a good thing though
04:00 < Luke-Jr> oh
04:01 < Luke-Jr> if we use rM(repl'd)+rM(repl), we get a DoS attack because they could both be exactly 1 BTC and replace each other
04:01 < Luke-Jr> we'd need a +1
04:02 < MarcoFalke> It's max(relayMinimums(replaced)+relayMinimums(replacement), fee(replaced) + relayMinimums(replacement))
04:02 < MarcoFalke> which is the same as 1 BTC + relayMinimums(replacement)
04:02 < MarcoFalke> and you already explained why
04:03 < Luke-Jr> I guess max doesn't do what I mean
04:03 < Luke-Jr> wait, yes it does
04:03 < Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: it should be max(relayMinimums(replaced)+relayMinimums(replacement), fee(replaced) + 1), no?
04:04 < MarcoFalke> what unit is "1"
04:04 < MarcoFalke> satoshis?
04:05 < Luke-Jr> sure
04:05 < Luke-Jr> it just needs to be > to prevent recursion
04:06 < GitHub32> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7218: [qt] Fix misleading translation (master...MarcoFalke-2015-trivial7) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7218
04:07 < MarcoFalke> Then you can just spend 1 satoshi to transmit whatever your tx size is to the whole network. Sounds like DOS?
04:07 < Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: only if you already paid more than enough in fees
04:08 < Luke-Jr> ie, if you overpaid on your initial tx already, you can pay only 1 sat. more for replacement
04:09 < aj> Luke-Jr: 2*relayMinimum could still be well below what's being accepted into blocks though?
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04:10 < Luke-Jr> aj: I don't see relevance.
04:15 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: IIRC, the .DS_Store does link to the filename,.. so, if the filename (App Name) is dynamic, the DS_Store files need also. So you need a script that can generate/modify a DS_Store file.
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04:16 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: yes, but I am lost for what the problem is, so analysing a fixed file would possibly help
04:16 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: SSL. I testes the Site with Ubuntu 12.04 and 15.04 as well as with a recent Fedora version. I guess the COMODO SSL CA is probably not supported by your OS?
04:17 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: it's not a cert error
04:17 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: Okay. Right. Makes sense. Will try to create a correct DS_Store
04:17 < jonasschnelli> Does your browser/os enforce SSLv2 or v3?
04:18 < GitHub128> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7219: Make RBF policies optional (master...rbf_opts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7219
04:19 < GitHub143> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7220: RBF: Allow replacements to pay for minRelayFee(replaced)+minRelayFee(replacement) rather than actualFee(replaced)+minRelayFee(replacement) (master...rbf_feecomp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7220
04:20 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: probably?
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04:27  * Luke-Jr ponders if wget would work
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04:31 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: give it a try with `curl -v` (and maybe a `curl -v --insecure`..
04:33 < Luke-Jr> hm, got a link handy?
04:33 < Luke-Jr> for some reason I am having trouble finding one in my log
04:34 < Luke-Jr> found it https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch
04:34 < Luke-Jr> nope, curl and wget hate it too
04:34 < jonasschnelli> argh. Some system wide problem... 
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04:35 < Luke-Jr> I don't think curl does SSL at all, just TLS
04:35 < Luke-Jr> ooh
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04:35 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: IPv6!
04:36 < Luke-Jr> you're only broken on IPv6, not IPv4
04:36 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: hmm.. how could 
04:36 < Luke-Jr> is the IPv6 address correct? ;)
04:36 < Luke-Jr> in DNS
04:36 < jonasschnelli> buh... no idea... need to check. :)
04:37 < Luke-Jr> if not, I'm hitting some random other server :P
04:37  * jonasschnelli is reading some IPv6 guides...
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04:48 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: hmm... IPv6 seems to be set up coorect. dig AAAA bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch gives me the right answer, .. i can ping6 from another machine (in the same lan although).
04:49 < Luke-Jr> I can ping it, just TLS fails
04:55 < jonasschnelli> ah... found the issue. Missing apache ipv6 config.
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04:56 < Luke-Jr> XD
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04:56 < Luke-Jr> works now
04:57 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: works? Perfect!
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05:12 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: Our scheme looks more (not everywhere) after full length parameters/commands (we use createrawtransaction instead of createrawtx, etc.). <-- more what? O.o
05:13 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: things like '-limitfreerelay', or -stopafterblockimport or -permitbaremultisig
05:14 < jonasschnelli> But right, there are also things like: acceptnonstdtxn
05:14 < Luke-Jr> more examples don't help; the sentence is missing an adjective :p
05:14 < jonasschnelli> but replacebyfee is relatively short.
05:15 < Luke-Jr> "Our scheme looks more after full length … " doesn't parse <.<
05:15 < jonasschnelli> Don't judge my english..,.  (or i gonna judge your german). But I know, my english lacks here and there. :)
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05:15 < Luke-Jr> ok, but I don't know what it means :<
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05:16 < jonasschnelli> I was trying to say, our command line arguments and rpc commands are mostly "full names" instead of abbreviations.
05:18 < Luke-Jr> ah
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05:33 < GitHub62> [bitcoin] parazyd opened pull request #7221: Merge pull request #1 from bitcoin/master (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7221
05:34 < GitHub110> [bitcoin] parazyd closed pull request #7221: Merge pull request #1 from bitcoin/master (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7221
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06:26 < MarcoFalke> > Luke-Jr
06:26 < MarcoFalke> MarcoFalke: only if you already paid more than enough in fees
06:26 < MarcoFalke> For one transaction, that is.
06:26 < MarcoFalke> But the network has to process every rbf tx
06:27 < MarcoFalke> Just think about the "strss-test" in August
06:27 < MarcoFalke> rbf with your logic would make it a lot cheaper
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06:38 < MarcoFalke> jonasschnelli, theoretically you could also change gui settings without the gui
06:39 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke: how?
06:39 < gijensen> PR 7220 Is it heavy to consider all TXs that were replaced in the chain up until the first TX with an RBF flag that didn't get replaced? That's the only solution I see to morco's NACK
06:46 < MarcoFalke> In the registry and stuff, but "GUI settings" is not true as well. I will just use your suggestion.
06:47 < jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke: Hm... sure, you can change everything by accessing the right space on your OS. I still think "GUI settings" is the right name.
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08:50 < helo> someone familiar with p2pool code may want to take a look at KipIngram's messages in #bitcoin
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10:31 < GitHub4> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #7220: RBF: Allow replacements to pay for minRelayFee(replaced)+minRelayFee(replacement) rather than actualFee(replaced)+minRelayFee(replacement) (master...rbf_feecomp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7220
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10:37 < morcos> Am I allowed to store a reference to chainparams?
10:38 < morcos> In particular refactoring CreateNewBlock to be a class needs access to chainparams, can i just pass it in as a reference on construction and access it whenever after that point?
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10:39 < sipa> imho yes
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12:06 < GitHub68> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #7222: [WIP] RPC: Indicate which transactions are signaling opt-in RBF (master...add-optin-info) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7222
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12:13 < gijensen> Luke-jr, PR 7220 for my sanity, you closed it because it doesn't cache the minimums (so the proper min can't be calculated)? That's what I thought but two other people disagreed with me :S
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14:05 < Luke-Jr> gijensen: ?
14:08 < gijensen> Luke-Jr I'm just asking for clarity on the comments previous to your final one. I was trying to convey the issue is the PR as is didn't account for all the minimum fees of past transactions. Is that correct, or no?
14:09 < gijensen> You mentioned a cache, so that made me believe I'm correct. I just want to know to be sure I properly understand what's happening.
14:17 < Luke-Jr> yes, if A is replaced by B, and C might replace B, we need C to pay for A+B+C, but we no longer have A
14:18 < gijensen> Thank you!
14:18 < Luke-Jr> so to fix this, we would need to store the size of A (and anything it replaced) with B
14:19 < Luke-Jr> nTotalRelaySize or smth
14:20 < gijensen> Okay, yes I understand completely. Do you still plan on trying to work on the concept? Or just axe it for now?
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14:23 < Luke-Jr> I think the benefits do not outweigh the costs now
14:29 < gijensen> I was worried about that, okay
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16:56 < GitHub3> [bitcoin] sidhujag opened pull request #7224: bitcoin rename to syscoin (master...btcbase) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7224
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16:58 < GitHub152> [bitcoin] sidhujag closed pull request #7224: bitcoin rename to syscoin (master...btcbase) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7224
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20:33 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: btw, did you post that corrected DS_Store somewhere? just wanted to be sure you weren't waiting on me
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21:39 < dcousens> It'd be cool to see how much usage BIP65 has received over the last few days
21:41 < aj> dcousens: statistical difference in volume/size of p2sh outputs maybe?
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23:47 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: no. Not yet. But isn't the current (0.11.2 release) a valid/clean DS_Store to compare against?
23:47 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: it's clean, but not based on the generated one
23:48 < jonasschnelli> But i guess it only links to the filenames... which are identical... not?
23:48 < jonasschnelli> Did you try a gitian build with the "old" DS_Store?
23:48 < Luke-Jr> I didn't. I have no way to test either :p
23:49 < Luke-Jr> Bitcoin-Core is in DS_Store, so I doubt it will work with it changed
23:50 < jonasschnelli> But IIRC, you did not change the app name (you could, sure)? You might want to use a perl script with (http://search.cpan.org/~wiml/Mac-Finder-DSStore/DSStoreFormat.pod) during gitian build?
23:50 < jonasschnelli> Or extract the "cleverness" of the CPAN modules and write your own python script?
23:50 < Luke-Jr> I doubt it would be any better than the python ds_store module.
23:51 < jonasschnelli> ah.. there is one. Nice. Try with the python one then?
23:51 < jonasschnelli> I can try to find out, why the current background is not working... 
23:51 < Luke-Jr> that's what this does..
23:52 < jonasschnelli> ah... ha. Okay. Let me see if i find the reason why it's not working.
23:52 < jonasschnelli> So you say, the your current PR does create the DS_Store with the python script? So positioning of the icons is done correct...
23:53 < Luke-Jr> yes
23:53 < jonasschnelli> `backgroundImageAlias`: `'\x00\x00\x00\x00[...]` <-- what the hell is that?
23:54 < Luke-Jr> a blob from the original DS_Store, modified by the mac_alias python module