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00:03 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: Hmm... I diffed the DS_Store and I guess it's very hard to fine the source of the problem,.. could be a missing 0x00 or similar. What if you try to build the DS_Store with http://dmgbuild.readthedocs.org/en/latest/example.html?
00:04 < Luke-Jr> I don't think that works on non-Mac
00:04 < Luke-Jr> can you upload the DS_Store for me to look at?
00:05 < jonasschnelli> I don't have a new one... i just compared yours against the 0.11.2 ones.
00:05 < jonasschnelli> I can't fix yours...
00:06 < Luke-Jr> O.o
00:07 < Luke-Jr> Mac won't let you change it? (copy out of the DMG first)
00:07 < jonasschnelli> https://bitbucket.org/al45tair/dmgbuild/src/b08746ed79385ccc512cc23342cf698c5ba0bd3e/dmgbuild/core.py?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default#core.py-411
00:07 < Luke-Jr> Alias.for_file is Mac-only
00:08 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: but `biplist.Data(alias.to_bytes())`?
00:08 < jonasschnelli> I can duplicate the dmg and make it writeable and make OSX create a new DS_Store. But i guess it would be identical to the one from 0.11.2
00:09 < jonasschnelli> (same files)
00:09 < Luke-Jr> not byte-for-byte - my hope is the delta might be smaller
00:10 < jonasschnelli> I think your PR does the right, thing, expect of the byte-fiddling, why could you not use "biplist.Data(alias.to_bytes())"?
00:11 < jonasschnelli> I guess you need this tool: https://github.com/wooster/biplist
00:12 < Luke-Jr> biplist is builtin to Python nowadays I think
00:12 < jonasschnelli> Because it looks like, your creating a plist manually...
00:12 < Luke-Jr> trying that
00:12 < Luke-Jr> pushed
00:13  * jonasschnelli is building...
00:13 < jonasschnelli> and again,.. thanks for doing that! A solution where no mac is involved (in case of changes in the app name, etc.) would be awesome!
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00:31 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: NameError: name 'biplist' is not defined
00:31 < jonasschnelli> make: *** [dist/.DS_Store] Error 1
00:31 < jonasschnelli> I think you need a "import biplist"
00:31 < Luke-Jr> doh
00:31  * jonasschnelli is ready to rebuild..
00:32 < Luke-Jr> pushed
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00:38 < jonasschnelli> started..
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01:05 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: whohoo
01:05 < jonasschnelli> Wroks...
01:05 < Luke-Jr> nice
01:05 < jonasschnelli> The font is different... but looks okay.
01:05 < Luke-Jr> good catch with the biplist difference
01:06  * Luke-Jr squashes
01:06 < Luke-Jr> now the only problem is PIP in gitian <><
01:06 < jonasschnelli> PIP?
01:07 < Luke-Jr> Python package manager
01:07 < Luke-Jr> pip install --user mac_alias ds_store cairosvg cssselect tinycss lxml
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01:08 < Luke-Jr> this is what I need cfields help with
01:08 < jonasschnelli> It worked over gitian in my case.. or where do you see problems?
01:08 < jonasschnelli> Ah... got it. Why not including over depends/?
01:09 < Luke-Jr> problem = PIP builds are not being cached; and some gitian VMs have no network access
01:10 < Luke-Jr> depends/ is probably how to do it, but it doesn't seem capable right now of installing native stuff that Bitcoin picks up on
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01:40 < GitHub34> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a5040155ed5...d22245f92375
01:40 < GitHub34> bitcoin/master e18378e Elias Rohrer: Removed offline testnet DNSSeed 'alexykot.me'.
01:40 < GitHub34> bitcoin/master d22245f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7216...
01:40 < GitHub63> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7216: Removed offline testnet DNSSeed 'alexykot.me'. (master...delete_offline_dnsseed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7216
01:41 < GitHub41> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9572e4944a6130640477690f2158d373af8017cc
01:41 < GitHub41> bitcoin/0.12 9572e49 Elias Rohrer: Removed offline testnet DNSSeed 'alexykot.me'....
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01:58 < GitHub104> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d22245f92375...cd3f12c61ca5
01:58 < GitHub104> bitcoin/master 83cdcbd Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: don't override BITCOIND and BITCOINCLI if they're set...
01:58 < GitHub104> bitcoin/master cd3f12c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7209...
01:58 < GitHub64> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7209: test: don't override BITCOIND and BITCOINCLI if they're set (master...2015_12_rpctests_setenviron) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7209
01:59 < GitHub197> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f3ad81220850a4158ab329f5279f7530cbb70a87
01:59 < GitHub197> bitcoin/0.12 f3ad812 Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: don't override BITCOIND and BITCOINCLI if they're set...
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03:47 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: still up?
03:48 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: sure. It's 12 o'clock (noon). :)
03:48 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: pushing a test commit to change the actual name; feel like checking that it works completely? :D
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03:49 < Luke-Jr> (1 line changed; all other references are in docs/locale)
03:49 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Pushed already?
03:49 < Luke-Jr> yep
03:50  * jonasschnelli is building...
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03:56 < Luke-Jr> hmm, I think this build will fail
03:57 < Luke-Jr> looking at the osx descriptor, it seems to assume bitcoin-* prefix in the filename
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03:58 < Luke-Jr> hm, it succeeded I guess
03:59  * Luke-Jr ponders why
04:01 < jonasschnelli> its still building...
04:04 < Luke-Jr> oh, it works because we don't actually use "Bitcoin Core" in filenames
04:05 < Luke-Jr> oh well, not sure I care enough to dig into that
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04:30 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: tested. Works prefect.
04:30 < Luke-Jr> great
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04:34 < jonasschnelli> But i guess it would also work if we would use different filename (now i think we just fake the name over the translations/i18n file)?
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04:45 < Luke-Jr> ?
04:48 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: your TestyCOIN-Crazy projects still uses "Bitcoin-Qt.app" as filename (as you mentioned). But I guess the whole dmg process should also work if we would use a different filename? right?
04:50 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: probably not. but I meant the output DMG filename itself
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05:13 < MarcoFalke> wumpus, you synced the missing resources from #7158 to the 0.12 transifex branch?
05:18 < MarcoFalke> They show as "untranslated" and have a "100% match" in "suggestions"
05:18 < wumpus> yes
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06:23 < GitHub129> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7165: WIP: build: Enable C++11 in build, require C++11 compiler (master...2015_12_c++11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7165
06:23 < zookolaptop> !!
06:23 < gribble> Error: "!" is not a valid command.
06:23 < zookolaptop> I meant: Wow
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06:36 < wumpus> re: the c++11 stuff there is always a reason to require a new gcc, first it was gcc4.6+ then gcc4.8+ now gcc5.1+, I've given up on it, wake me up when we're at gcc 6 or so
06:51 < morcos> wumpus: fwiw i was in favor of forging ahead with c++11.  at a certain point its just risk of an ordinary bug and not a consensus bug, and you can't avoid all bugs.
06:53 < jgarzik> same here
06:53 < wumpus> morcos: also there's no guarantee that there aren't bugs in the non-c++11 part of the compiler that e.g. influence consensus. It's never entirely without risks, but I'd say for c++11 it's worth it, especially as it helps getting rid of boost dependency for more of the consensus code.
06:54 < wumpus> but I'm just tired of the eternal arguing
06:54 < morcos> there do not seem to be many voices against...   what do sipa and gmaxwell think?
06:56 < wumpus> AFAIK they're for, at least sipa has been asking for it for quite some time
06:58 < morcos> i'm glad Luke-Jr raises a concern like that, and i'd want to know that more experienced devs than me have spent the time to think about the issue he raises.  but to say we avoid all risk is nonsensical.
07:01 < wumpus> anyhow better luck in 6 months I guess
07:02 < wumpus> it's not that urgent either...
07:02 < wumpus> just hoped to get it over with
07:03 < jgarzik> I definitely think this is too risk averse - There are incentives on the other side that make it work - Communicating ahead of time "we're switching to c++11" and then moving ahead should be fine - Users adjust because it's not a big hurdle to keep it working on our main supported platforms
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08:02 < benjyz1> heavy censorship on bitcoin-dev.. what is going on
08:03 < jgarzik> off topic for this channel
08:04 < wumpus> only development discussion here, please
08:04 < benjyz1> ?
08:04 < benjyz1> is this still opensource?
08:04 < benjyz1> seriously... who is censoring my posts and why?
08:05 < jgarzik> benjyz1, #bitcoin-dev please
08:05 < wumpus> yeah license is unchanged https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/COPYING
08:05 < benjyz1> my suggestion is to remove mailing list from readme then
08:06 < benjyz1> or at least make censorship explicit somewhere
08:06 < benjyz1> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
08:06 < wumpus> "The developer mailing list should be used to discuss complicated or controversial changes before working on a patch set." seems OK te me, that's what the list is for
08:07 < wumpus> it's moderated due to heavy abuse
08:07 < benjyz1> k. and abuse is defined by ...
08:07 < benjyz1> I'll propose a change to contributor policy and readme then
08:08 < benjyz1> since its no longer accurate
08:08 < wumpus> off topic things not related to bitcoin development, If it fits into the above category, you're a legit contributor and somehow got 'censored' feel free to send a complaint to me
08:10 < benjyz1> ok. what is the "correct" place to discuss the above mentioned contributor policy?
08:10 < benjyz1> your honour
08:11 < wumpus> <jgarzik> benjyz1, #bitcoin-dev please
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08:30 < sdaftuar> all -- #7062 still needs review; it fixes prioritisetransaction to work correctly with mempool limiting and rbf and imo should go into 0.12.
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08:44 < wumpus> thanks sdaftuar will take a look
08:44 < sdaftuar> thanks!
08:47 < instagibbs> Core uses UniValue for all json object stuff, correct?
08:48 < jgarzik> instagibbs, yes
08:49 < instagibbs> was it just to remove a dep? or improve functionality Core requires?
08:49 < instagibbs> (latter is both I suppose)
08:49 < jgarzik> instagibbs, reduces size of compiled code + runtime
08:50 < jgarzik> instagibbs, it was faster in one micro-benchmark I made, but performance of json encode/decode was not the driving factor
08:50 < wumpus> boost spirit wasn't a very good library for our purpose
08:51 < wumpus> and other JSON libraries insist on e.g. parsing numbers as floats/doubles, whereas we need them as fixed point strings
08:51 < wumpus> memory usage of univalue is also better esp. for deeply nested structures
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08:53 < jgarzik> ah yes, number parsing was another key issue
08:55 < instagibbs> Cool, thanks. I learned UniValue first, so trying to figure out history on it.
09:00 < sipa> plus better compile time, i'm sure
09:01 < sipa> spirit was templates all the way down to being able to choose your own container data structures
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09:18 < wumpus> yes, spirit was also notoriously bad for compile time, due to using templates to generate a scanner/lexer. I also expected dropping it would lower memory usage during compile, but for that it was apparently not the bottleneck
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10:08 < cfields> Luke-Jr: looking
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10:13 < cfields> Luke-Jr: what's missing in the bitcoin build itself? the python libs?
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10:31 < sdaftuar> is it important that we call CheckBlock immediately in ProcessNewBlock and return failure before calling AcceptBlock?
10:32 < sdaftuar> it turns out that call to CheckBlock causes us to not permanently mark blocks as failed even if they fail in CheckBlock
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10:32 < sdaftuar> seems like we could just not call it there, and let AcceptBlock do its work?
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10:35 < sipa> sdaftuar: interesting!
10:36 < sipa> can't we instead make checkblock failure also mark it as invalid?
10:36 < sdaftuar> we could, although i think at that point in the code it is possible for the block to not yet have been added to mapBlockIndex.  not 100% sure of that though
10:36 < sdaftuar> but it would require duplicating the code from acceptblock
10:37 < sdaftuar> seems suboptimal?
10:38 < sdaftuar> it seems like we do extra work on every valid block to avoid doing slightly more work on invalid blocks
10:38 < sdaftuar> i'm not sure that tradeoff makes sense?
10:38 < sipa> oh i see
10:39 < sipa> the question is whether a dos attacker gains something by us doing the check later
10:39 < sdaftuar> right
10:40 < sdaftuar> looks like the only thing we save is a call to AcceptBlockHeader.  i think that's fast?
10:41 < sipa> i guess we go from no mapBlockIndex lookup to a lookup
10:41 < sipa> i think that's negligable
10:41 < sdaftuar> it's certainly negligible compared to bitcoind's current behavior, of repeatedly calling CheckBlock on failed blocks :)
10:42 < sipa> agree
10:43 < sdaftuar> ok i'll submit a PR to scrap that call to CheckBlock
10:52 < cfields> Luke-Jr: what's the point of imagemagick_convert ?
10:53 < GitHub173> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #7225: Eliminate unnecessary call to CheckBlock (master...eliminate-extra-checkblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7225
10:54 < sdaftuar> wumpus: i really like that comptool has a way to do reject-message testing, this is making tests better and helping uncover strange behaviors...
10:54 < cfields> Luke-Jr: oh, it can't export to tiff?
10:57 < jonasschnelli> cfields: Luke-Jr's name unify PR works really good. We might want to fix the osx application name ("Bitcoin-Qt").
10:58 < cfields> jonasschnelli: yea, i really like the idea
10:58 < cfields> jonasschnelli: what was the snag last time? we avoided changing the name for some rason
10:58 < cfields> *reason
10:59 < jonasschnelli> Yes. We kept bitcoin-qt because otherwise new versions would not overwrite old ones.
10:59 < jonasschnelli> But IMO we could rename it once and tell the users to delete the old version (release notes).
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11:58 < GitHub109> [bitcoin] laanwj reopened pull request #7165: WIP: build: Enable C++11 in build, require C++11 compiler (master...2015_12_c++11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7165
12:01 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: what's the harm in leaving it?
12:01 < Luke-Jr> cfields: pretty much getting the Python stuff (more than just libs- we need cairosvg) installed in a way that configure will find it
12:01 < jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: the filename itself is still "Bitcoin-Qt.app",.. not ideal... but works.
12:02 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: I think it's semi-nice that it's not equivalent to the actual display name
12:02 < Luke-Jr> but maybe I'm wrong
12:02 < cfields> Luke-Jr: i think i've got a workaround for much of the python stuff
12:02 < Luke-Jr> cfields: note that the versions in Ubuntu's repo are broken
12:02 < cfields> Luke-Jr: in my tests, "rsvg" turned out to work much better
12:03 < Luke-Jr> oh
12:03 < jonasschnelli> Last time we didn't want to loose the possibility to drop the 0.11 release over the 0.10 release (overwrite old app).
12:03 < cfields> Luke-Jr: uses the same underlying libs, but no need for python or imagemagick
12:03 < Luke-Jr> I didn't try rsvg :D
12:03 < cfields> (it exports to tiff itself)
12:04 < jonasschnelli> Changing the whole name from Bitcoin-Qt.app to Bitcoin\ Core.app seems okay for me (with loosing the "replace" functionallity).
12:04 < Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: do users expect Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin LJR to overwrite each other, is the question IMO
12:04 < GitHub22> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #7226: Tests: Add more tests to p2p-fullblocktest (master...add-more-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7226
12:04 < jonasschnelli> But LRJ/Core are to different applications.. ;-)
12:04 < cfields> jonasschnelli: so now what we have a renamed app, any chance it magically overwrites now?
12:04 < jonasschnelli> s/to/two
12:05 < jonasschnelli> cfields: nope. Only with an package installer (which sucks).
12:05 < cfields> ok
12:05 < jonasschnelli> But they need to remove the old app just >once<,... that's okay.
12:06 < jonasschnelli> We could detect it in Qt and ask in a Dialog to delete the old app.
12:06 < jonasschnelli> (but maybe just warn [one time], deleting outside of a app is not something we should do)
12:07 < cfields> jonasschnelli: mm, i'm not a fan of that :)
12:08 < cfields> if nothing else, i suspect osx wouldn't let us
12:08 < jonasschnelli> Yeah. Same here. I think user can handle that pretty themselfs...
12:08 < jonasschnelli> cfields: No. It think would it would just work. (unless we do sandboxing / app store things).
12:08 < jonasschnelli> Apps can even move themself into the /Application folder....
12:09 < cfields> jonasschnelli: my concern there is that you never know what new restrictions Apple will add in OSX+1
12:09 < cfields> (unless it's explicitly allowed somewhere ofc)
12:10 < jonasschnelli> hah. So true.
12:14 < cfields> Luke-Jr: you want to try switching to rsvg? or should i push up some patches on top of yours?
12:15 < Luke-Jr> cfields: I can try, sure; to be clear, it's called rsvg-convert on your system too, I hope? ;)
12:15 < Luke-Jr> cfields: this doesn't help with the ds_store/mac_alias modules though, mind you
12:15 < cfields> Luke-Jr: yes. rsvg is a symlink to rsvg-convert. and confirmed that rsvg-convert is available through homebrew on osx
12:16 < cfields> Luke-Jr: understood
12:16 < Luke-Jr> if [ -n "$OSX_SDK" ] <-- what do I change this to?
12:17 < cfields> Luke-Jr: uhm, just check for "apple" inside of $HOST maybe?
12:19 < Luke-Jr> if [[ "$HOST" =~ apple ]]
12:19 < Luke-Jr> ?
12:20 < cfields> sure, if that works (i was unaware of that syntax)
12:20 < cfields> Luke-Jr: btw, why install ds_store via pip and then manually build/install?
12:21 < Luke-Jr> cfields: PIP's ds_store is broken on Travis's old Ubuntu :|
12:22 < cfields> oh
12:22 < Luke-Jr> but it pulls in deps for us
12:24 < cfields> Luke-Jr: ok yea, need to get those working in depends
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12:26 < Luke-Jr> cfields: can you help with that, while I do the rsvg bits? ;)
12:26 < cfields> Luke-Jr: yep, working on it now
12:26 < Luke-Jr> thx
12:29 < Luke-Jr> cfields: eh, my rsvg-convert doesn't list tiff as supported..?
12:29 < cfields> Luke-Jr: gentoo?
12:29 < Luke-Jr> yes
12:29 < cfields> Luke-Jr: +tiff maybe?
12:30 < Luke-Jr> no such flag
12:33 < cfields> Luke-Jr: dunno, works here :\
12:33 < Luke-Jr> it's literally not in the source code
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12:36 < cfields> Luke-Jr: hmm, looks like it lied to me about saving as tiff :\
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12:40 < cfields> well that sucks. but it's still cleaner than using the python version
12:40 < Luke-Jr> yes
12:40 < Luke-Jr> maybe the Ubuntu versions will actually work :D
12:40 < Luke-Jr> (trusty/gitian cairosvg had some weird brokenness)
12:56  * Luke-Jr stabs rsvg-convert for accepting SVG on stdin, but only if it can be seek'd
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13:09 < Luke-Jr> cfields: ok, got this working (pushed)
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13:31 < cfields> Luke-Jr: why not using the release version of ds_store ?
13:31 < cfields> (1.0.1)
13:31 < Luke-Jr> [20:21:43] <Luke-Jr> cfields: PIP's ds_store is broken on Travis's old Ubuntu :|
13:31 < cfields> ok. broken how?
13:32 < cfields> ah, https://bitbucket.org/al45tair/ds_store/commits/c80c23706eae5f3b10c2fd32c419fa37709dbede
13:40 < Luke-Jr> right
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13:44 < cfields> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/commit/be298535153f71fada029eef82850557ef6ce1d7
13:44 < cfields> sorry, built that on top of 0.12 on accident
13:45 < cfields> Luke-Jr: from makefile, might need to invoke via: PYTHONPATH=$(PYTHONPATH) python foo
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21:13 < GitHub37> [bitcoin] jtimon closed pull request #6625: BLOCKING: Consensus: Move blocksize and related parameters to consensusparams ...without removing consensus/consensus.h [#6526 alternative] (master...consensus-blocksize-0.12.99) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6625
21:19 < GitHub39> [bitcoin] jtimon closed pull request #6597: Chainparams: Don't check the genesis block (master...chainparams-genesis-no-check-0.12.99) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6597
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