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00:40 < GitHub85> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b4662646352d...188ca9c305d3
00:40 < GitHub85> bitcoin/0.12 ea52530 fanquake: Fix duplicate names in release notes...
00:40 < GitHub159> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7548: Correct duplicate names in release notes (0.12...fix-release-note-names) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7548
00:40 < GitHub85> bitcoin/0.12 188ca9c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7548: Correct duplicate names in release notes...
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01:22 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: yes, sandboxing that code would be nice. Although arguably, against libc exploits, no one stands a chance. If bitcoin-qt doesn't get exploited itself some other service or process will, and they'll pwn the box anyway.
01:26 < wumpus> I'm competely shocked that there is an exploitable vulnerability in DNS lookup in 2016, in the early days of the internet this wouldn't have been so surprising, but this really makes me sad. It fits in the category of 'winnuke' anno 1995.
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01:27 < Luke-Jr> wumpus: I didn't read all the details, but from what I saw, it looked like a potential intentional exploit
01:28 < wumpus> well if this vulnerability was created intentionall ywith our taxpayer dollars that woud be sad^infinity, the human race is doomed
01:28 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: come on, it's not like there is some big attacker with global infrastructure specifically built to monitor and spoof/race DNS responses in real time-- that would be needed to really make the best use of this.
01:29 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: lol (that's sarcasm, right?)
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01:29 < gmaxwell> right.
01:30 < wumpus> I can believe in stupidity, but such level of malice...
01:30 < Luke-Jr> hm, ttyl I guess :|
01:30 < Luke-Jr> [09:29:25] [Notice] -kloeri- [Global Notice] It's upgrade all the things day which also means lots of reboots. This will unfortunately be quite noisy. Remember connecting to chat.freenode.net, stay calm and don't panic!  
01:30 < wumpus> later
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01:32 < Luke-Jr> fwiw here's the Gentoo bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574880
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01:32 < Luke-Jr> wumpus: AIUI, basically they allocated the buffer correctly, but "forgot" to set the old pointer var to the new buffer, while using the newly allocated buffer's size still
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01:37 < wumpus> Luke-Jr: that would be problematic on the heap, but with alloca doubly so, as stack overflows are much easier to exploit
01:38 < Luke-Jr> there was also something removed by the patch that explicitly disabled GCC warnings about something too, not sure if related
01:38 < Luke-Jr> actually, I think that's on the Gentoo side of the merge, nm
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01:41 < wumpus> at least stack canaries should be some help, given that there's not some convenient heartbleed-like leak somewhere, or a convenient variable to overwrite on the stack before the canary; after all, alloca() by necessity gets allocated *before* the rest of the stack frame so it can overwrite anything else on it
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01:44 < gmaxwell> the problem is that honest mistakes tend to look more suspicious than bugdoors.
01:45 < Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: that's a good point
01:45 < gmaxwell> because a mistake is a roll of dice, you didn't intend to make it-- so if it's suspicious looking or not is pure chance... while a bugdoor is intentional and can be carefully crafted to look accidental.
01:46 < gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: gentoo has updated ebuilds but they're still masked. 2.21-r2 and 2.22-r2 
01:46 < wumpus> yes, that's true
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03:20 < randy-waterhouse> more like a welcome mat than a bugdoor
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03:33 < GitHub5> [bitcoin] ptschip opened pull request #7549: Fix for locking issue and compile warning (master...BUIP010_pt3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7549
03:35 < GitHub100> [bitcoin] ptschip closed pull request #7549: Fix for locking issue and compile warning (master...BUIP010_pt3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7549
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12:15 < AndreySamohvalov> Hi!
12:16 < btcdrak> hi
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16:57 < phantomcircuit> morcos, im a bit confused by your feefilter patch, it seems to be vastly more complex than necessary
17:02 < phantomcircuit> why not simply call CTxMemPool::GetMinFee ?
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17:06 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: read the mailing list post. He's trying to prevent connection correlation. But I'm not sure that it's effective in any case-- consider, one can actively prove for the minfee by sending transactions and seeing if they end up mempooled.
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17:10 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah i dont see the point there, it's trivial to probe a remote peers mempool
17:13 < gmaxwell> at the moment.
17:13 < gmaxwell> though we should fix that.
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17:14 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, uh, how?
17:14 < gmaxwell> Sufficiently advanced magic.
17:14 < phantomcircuit> it seems a fundamentally difficult thing to do
17:16 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, http://pastebin.com/raw/X9Q1LM2C
17:16 < phantomcircuit> that's an amusingly sophisticated understanding of fees actually
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17:20 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the obvious way to do is is to run seperate logical mempools. 
17:21 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, what like one for each peer and then do de-duplication of the actual data?
17:24 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: or the same but pivoting the table structure. e.g. for each mempool transaction keep track of which peers it's in mempool for.
17:25 < gmaxwell> (this could be much more efficient than the current maps used for known txn)
17:29 < midnightmagic> application-aware blinding proxies go away then i think..?
17:29 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i guess it would be enough to just keep track of which transactions a peer has sent you and then request any transaction a peer sends that isn't duplicate
17:30 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes but not efficient.
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17:33 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, rolling bloom filter would work for that where entries are only added to the filter when accepted to the mempool
17:34 < phantomcircuit> not perfect but certainly better than what we have today
17:35 < phantomcircuit> either way i dont actually see why we would care that our peers know our exact minimum mempool feerate requirement
17:39 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the reason, afaik, is to just reduce correlation. Where you can tell that a given v4 and hs node is the same node. Given that there are so many other ways to correlate right now it may be pointless.
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17:49 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i certainly would not run a node accessible from anything other than tor as a hidden service and think that correlation wasn't possible if not likely
17:50 < phantomcircuit> and i actually think it would be extremely dangerous to tell anybody otherwise no matter how much effort is put into removing possible correlations
17:50 < phantomcircuit> s/dangerous/irresponsible/
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19:52 < morcos> phantomcircuit: are you just talking about the FilterRounder code that is "vastly more complex"?
19:53 < morcos> I agree that the obfuscation has limited value, but when I actually implemented it, I was surprised by how neatly packaged away it was.  I don't see what other parts of the implmentation are unnecessary.
19:54 < morcos> Without the FilterRounder code, it is completely trivial to correlate nodes, so it seemed worthwhile to avoid that if it could be done easily, and in the end I kind of like the quantization, it saves broadcasting unnecessary feefilter messages quite often.
19:55 < phantomcircuit> morcos, well for example, why did you have to change AcceptToMemoryPool at all?
19:56 < morcos> phantomcircuit: thats for responding for a feefilter message.  how are you supposed to know whether the tx you are about to send an inv for falls below the fee filter your peer sent you?
19:57 < morcos> you have to know the feerate of the inv's you are about to relay
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19:59 < phantomcircuit> morcos, hmm for dependency tracking i see
19:59 < morcos> dependency?
19:59 < morcos> no these are all just individual fee rates
20:00 < phantomcircuit> hmm ok i can see why you did it this way
20:01 < phantomcircuit> it's structurally ugly but not because of anything you did
20:01 < morcos> yeah calculating a fee for a tx requires work, and that work is already being done in ATMP which is almost always called right before RelayTransaction
20:01 < phantomcircuit> there should probably be something like CTransaction that knows about the outputs it's inputs are trying to spend
20:01 < phantomcircuit> but well.. effort
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22:34 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, there doesn't seem to be any sane way to set the vfReachable flags
22:38 < gmaxwell> set it if you're bound on it (and in the case of tor, have a onion/proxy set); it shouldn't be harmful to be reachable when not.
22:41 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, for the most common setup that doesn't work at all though, ipv4 w/o ipv6 behind nat
22:41 < phantomcircuit> it seems like we'd do better to only use the IsLimited flags
22:45 < GitHub102> [bitcoin] pstratem opened pull request #7553: Remove vfReachable and modify IsReachable to only use vfLimited. (master...2016-02-17-reachable) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7553
23:02 < sipa> Reachable used to take into account whether you were bound to a publicly routable address
23:06 < phantomcircuit> sipa, it still does, but that's essentially meaningless for peers behind NAT
23:09 < sipa> it's also harmless for thrm
23:09 < sipa> (they don't get a publicly routable address)
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23:22 < phantomcircuit> sipa, it's not harmless IsReachable is used to decide whether addresses received are added to addrman
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23:25 < phantomcircuit> if you're running with dnsseed=0 you'll end up only connected to the hard coded dns seeds... ever
23:25 < phantomcircuit> er hard coded seeds
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23:53 < wumpus> going to tag -final today - anyone that still has plans to update the release notes, please let me know asap
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23:58  * btcdrak orders champaign