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00:25 < wumpus>  * [new tag]         v0.12.0 -> v0.12.0
00:26  * btcdrak highfives wumpus
00:26 < wumpus> party!
00:28 < brg444> cheers, good work guys
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01:03 < JackH> this is it? 0.12 today?
01:03 < btcdrak> fire up your gitian builders...
01:03 < JackH> \o/
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02:06 < GitHub107> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7429: 0.12 release notes: Sort by importance to usability (0.12...0.12-sort-release-notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7429
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03:44 < randy-waterhouse> wd
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06:29 < btcdrak> jonasschnelli: wb
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07:54 < wumpus> welcome back jonasschnelli! hope you had a good holiday 
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07:58 < wumpus> re: gitian building, make sure you wipe your cache if you built 0.12.x before, there has been at least one toolchain change in ubuntu trusty which isn't detected automatically
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08:16 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: Thanks! Will clear the 0.12 caches and rebuild.
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08:57 < instagibbs> wumpus, is there still time to fix release notes :X
08:57 < wumpus> well it doesn't make sense to change them on the branch anymore
08:58 < instagibbs> ok, well the description of pruned wallet mode disabling importaddress, privkey are wrong, which might confuse some
08:58 < wumpus> e.g. after this, the release notes on the 0.12 branch will be cleared for 0.12.1
08:59 < wumpus> it's a bit annoying, what we can do is copy the release notes to the master branch under doc/release-notes/0.12.0.md and do post-humous fixes there
09:00 < wumpus> (that should be done in any case)
09:00 < sipa> it would be a bit silly to do a 0.12.1 with as release notes "Improve release notes for 0.12.0"
09:01 < JackH> make it 0.12.0.1 :D
09:01 < instagibbs> errata for release notes in master maybe
09:02 < wumpus> or just copy the release notes to a gist and fix them there. I don't know which set of release notes people will actually read, if it's the ones I copy in the release announcement then it could come from anywhere :p
09:07 < instagibbs> usually it's me googling "0.11 release notes" whatever shows up first :D
09:10 < GitHub159> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/0e3ccbfb26b11ea3d9ed7dfd39886d69097286e1
09:10 < GitHub159> bitcoin/master 0e3ccbf Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.10.4 0.11.2 and 0.12.0
09:10 < wumpus> now you can edit them in master
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09:33 < GitHub21> [bitcoin] vlamer opened pull request #7555: Merge pull request (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7555
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09:40 < GitHub125> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7555: Merge pull request (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7555
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10:18 < GitHub54> [bitcoin] morcos opened pull request #7556: Some cleanup work for mempool and policy estimator (master...cleanupMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7556
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10:25 < GitHub51> [bitcoin] morcos opened pull request #7557: Encapsulate options for mempool policy (master...policyOptions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7557
10:44 < michagogo> Gitian's churning right now, building the second set of Linux tests atm
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11:04 < wumpus> #meetingstart
11:04 < wumpus> #startmeeting
11:04 < lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Feb 18 19:04:07 2016 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
11:04 < lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
11:04 < wumpus> topics?
11:05 < btcdrak> suggested topic #7187 since it relates to the recent merge og 7184
11:05 < paveljanik> release status? :-)
11:05 < wumpus> from previous meeting: ACTION: review/test/merge #7148 and #6564 (wumpus, 19:19:10)
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11:05 < morcos> i'm happy to discuss fee filter if anyone wants
11:06 < btcdrak> wumpus typo it was #7184. which has been merged. #6564 became #7524 which has been merged too
11:06 < btcdrak> paveljanik: just waiting on gitian signers
11:07 < wumpus> yes, mempool only BIP-112 and BIP-68 were merged
11:07 < wumpus> paveljanik: it has been tagged
11:07 < btcdrak> wumpus: so 7187 is an optimisation patch that builds on 7184
11:07 < wumpus> I haven't really looked at the fee filter, maybe better to make that an action point and discuss it next week
11:07 < btcdrak> "Keep reorgs fast for SequenceLocks checks #7187"
11:08 < michagogo> My linux build's done, Windows being prepped now
11:08 < wumpus> #action reviw 'Implement "feefilter" P2P message' #7542
11:08 < morcos> wumpus: sure.  
11:08 < michagogo> Oh, sorry! Didn't realize meeting was going on
11:08 < morcos> is the topic 7187 now?
11:09 < wumpus> we dont' have a topic yet :)
11:09  * btcdrak makes wumpus a coffee
11:09 < wumpus> #topic Keep reorgs fast for SequenceLocks checks 7187
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11:09 < morcos> The idea behind 7187 is that checking sequence locks to determine whether the tx is valid requires looking up the heights of all its inputs.  In a reorg, as it stands now, this will require reevaluating the inputs of every single tx in the mempool
11:10 < morcos> That is obviously painful
11:10 < wumpus> yes, that sounds expensive
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11:10 < morcos> 7187 attempts to cache for each tx the block hash of the latest block containing an input which had a sequence lock
11:11 < morcos> In the event of a reorg, if that hash is still on the chain, you know the previously calculated height and time (also cached) are still valid.
11:11 < morcos> thus ideally you won't have to look up most txs
11:11 < wumpus> sounds sensible
11:11 < morcos> so i think we should backport that to at least 0.12
11:11 < btcdrak> morcos: without a doubt.
11:11 < wumpus> yes
11:11 < morcos> it's not clear to me whether its worth the effort for 0.11, which already is way slower
11:12 < morcos> it'll still be functionally correct without it
11:12 < morcos> just reorgs will be slow
11:12 < wumpus> probably not - better to keep the patch for 0.11 as small and simple as possible
11:12 < wumpus> it will get less testing after all
11:13 < morcos> so now we need to review/test 7187 and get it merged?
11:13 < wumpus> and  with all the changes to the mempool in 0.12 it will probably be non-trivial to backport that optimization
11:13 < morcos> wumpus: thats what i'd be afraid of
11:14 < wumpus> which increses the risk further
11:14 < wumpus> #action review/test #7187 Keep reorgs fast for SequenceLocks checks 
11:14 < btcdrak> morcos was telling me the bip68-sequence.py RPC tests should test regression
11:14 < wumpus> I've already added the needs backport tag
11:14 < morcos> ha ha, thats more assertiveness than i intended
11:15 < btcdrak> morcos: maybe add a specific test for regression?
11:15 < morcos> there are some reorgs in the bip68 test, but i haven't looked at exactly what they do recently
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11:16 < sdaftuar> i think there's a test that at least is theoretically checking that sequence locked transactions are correctly removed during a reorg
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11:18 < morcos> great, well quick meeting today?
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11:18 < wumpus> I think so
11:18 < btcdrak> no more topics?
11:18 < btcdrak> I have one
11:19 < morcos> congrats on getting 0.12 tagged wumpus.  you should take a long weekend!
11:19 < wumpus> don't think there's much to discuss, no snags yet with the mempool BIP68/112 merges
11:19 < btcdrak> yeah went well. I'm working on a patch for the softforks btw.
11:19 < shea256> yes great work!
11:19 < wumpus> morcos: thanks :)
11:20 < wumpus> congrats to everyone on 0.12
11:20 < wumpus> #endmeeting
11:20 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Feb 18 19:20:36 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:20 < lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-02-18-19.04.html
11:20 < lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-02-18-19.04.txt
11:20 < lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-02-18-19.04.log.html
11:20 < btcdrak> wumpus: Would it be possible for us to arrange open source licenses of the Jetbrains IDEs for C++ and Python? They offer free licenses to projects like this
11:21 < btcdrak> wumpus: just needs a maintainer to apply basically https://www.jetbrains.com/buy/opensource/?product=clion
11:22 < btcdrak> their IDEs are CLion and PyCharm, they are incredibly good.
11:22 < wumpus> btcdrak: yes I think so, if anyone is interested in that I can do that
11:22 < btcdrak> wumpus: please do!
11:23 < btcdrak> wumpus: link to the form https://www.jetbrains.com/shop/eform/opensource (add CLion & PyCharm)
11:25 < btcdrak> If anyone wants to review the 0.12 blog post, most welcome https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/116
11:26 < sipa> oh, i forgot about the meeting!
11:27 < btcdrak> oh sipa, shea256 has some questions about libsecp256k1
11:27 < shea256> yes, can I grab you for a minute
11:28 < sipa> sure!
11:28 < shea256> cool, I'll message you
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11:28 < sipa> wumpus: congrats indeed!
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11:33 < morcos> btcdrak: What is Improved Rules for Transaction Relaying referring to in the blog post?
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11:34 < btcdrak> morcos: speak to shea256 (he's @ryan on Slack)
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12:04 < sipa> master does not compile?
12:04 < sipa> util.cpp: In function ‘std::string CopyrightHolders(const string&)’:
12:04 < sipa> util.cpp:841:53: error: ‘COPYRIGHT_HOLDERS’ was not declared in this scope
12:05 < helo> sipa: did you clean? some toolchain changes may require it
12:05 < morcos> make clean and autogen
12:05 < sipa> ok
12:06 < btcdrak> I had to git clean -dfx
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12:22 < instagibbs> sipa, you have to clean yeah
12:22 < instagibbs> had same issue
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13:51 < michagogo> Okay, my sigs are up
13:52 < michagogo> Is achow101 in here by a different name?
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14:16 < michagogo> midnightmagic: I don't suppose you ever figured out what was different about your system, did you?
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15:52 < midnightmagic> michagogo: part of it was that windows cache problem: I build gitian a lot, locally, and I guess I managed to get into that state where cache was messing me up. Right now, I suspect the < rc5 is no longer gitian'able by anyone. All I did, personally, was alter my build script to delete the cache if the version string was >= 0.12.0
15:52 < michagogo> Well, I would think it can still be built
15:53 < michagogo> But any sigs from a certain point on will not match the ones from before that point
15:53 < midnightmagic> michagogo: in terms of OS/X, I switched back on LXC for the build process and it's working for me now. At this point, honestly, the fact that I build completely out of lock-step with what the rest of you build is to blame and changing state of the system is the main cause.
15:53 < michagogo> (i.e. if a bunch of people went back and built, they should all match afaik)
15:53 < midnightmagic> michagogo: it should be historically buildable or else people just have to take out word for it. if that's what you meant.
15:53 < midnightmagic> oh
15:54 < michagogo> But yeah, that Ubuntu change messed things up
15:54 < michagogo> midnightmagic: afaik we're not all doing the same thing
15:54 < midnightmagic> tor unfortunately has switched from ubuntu to debian for their build host, so now I have to teach my system how to run debian guests :(
15:54 < michagogo> I know I'm using LXC, I think wumpus might be using KVM
15:54 < midnightmagic> michagogo: I sure hope not. :( I hate being odd man out.
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15:55 < midnightmagic> so to speak
15:55 < michagogo> Not really sure what everyone uses
15:55 < michagogo> Hm? It's more complicated than just running make-base-vm with the arguments for the right debian?
15:57 < michagogo> Interesting, looks like Tor automates things more than we do
15:57 < midnightmagic> michagogo: the vm-builder for Ubuntu can't do a debian guest. this guy has made progress doing it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vm-builder/+bug/235562 https://code.launchpad.net/~josephbisch/vmbuilder/debian
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15:58 < midnightmagic> yeah, the tor stuff also verifies tag signatures, so as part of my modifications to get it co-existing with bitcoin gitian I have to maintain a minor fork. gitian doesn't play nice with itself.
15:58 < midnightmagic> (just for tor though, the bitcoin stuff is unchanged)
15:59 < michagogo> Ah, yeah. Looking at the gitian readme, I see "The official vmbuilder only includes support for Ubuntu guests, so you need to install [Joseph Bisch's fork of vmbuilder](https://github.com/josephbisch/vmbuilder), which adds a Debian plugin."
15:59 < PRab> Minor complaint about gitian. If I wait to long to enter the sudo password after running ./bin/gbuild, it fails with "failed to run make-clean-vm..."
15:59 < michagogo> PRab: KVM or LXC?
15:59 < PRab> Um.. IDK.
16:00 < midnightmagic> that's odd, i haven't had to type in a password almost since the beginning
16:00 < midnightmagic> PRab: what's your host machine ?
16:00 < PRab> Its 3 layers. Windows -> Debian -> Ubuntu.
16:00 < michagogo> PRab: can you pastebin an ls of your gitian-builder directory?
16:01 < michagogo> Okay, so sounds like LXC then
16:01 < michagogo> PRab: try appending this to sudoers:
16:01 < michagogo> ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-start
16:01 < michagogo> ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-execute
16:02 < PRab> michagogo: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?0838433483d20ae9#NojAQkdsHDT1ylzulzFg35OB4Zb3O5jYBM5Xo1+v0xQ=
16:02 < michagogo> Yeah, that's set up for LXC like I thought
16:02 < PRab> michagogo: Isn't that just a workaround? IMO I should be able to take as long as I want to type in my password.
16:03 < michagogo> PRab: I would think that's a sudo thing
16:03 < michagogo> Not a gitian thing
16:03 < PRab> michagogo: Its lxc-execute that is giving the error.
16:04 < PRab> lxc-execute: failed to spawn 'gitian'
16:04 < michagogo> PRab: it's like this. gbuild calls make-clean-vm
16:04 < michagogo> and make-clean-vm calls on-target
16:04 < michagogo> which calls lxc-execute
16:05 < midnightmagic> :-o
16:05 < michagogo> I don't think any part of that imposes a timeout
16:05 < michagogo> So I would assume that if the sudo prompt is timing out, that's purely a sudo thing
16:06 < midnightmagic> lol and thereby do we discover that I do all my gitians, on that host, as root..
16:06 < PRab> Huh. I'll try running a sudo command and see if it fails if I just leave it there for a while.
16:06 < michagogo> Putting `ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-execute` in /etc/sudoers will let you not have to enter a password for that
16:06 < michagogo> midnightmagic: D:
16:08 < PRab> Should we add that to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md#setting-up-debian-for-gitian-building?
16:08 < PRab> It already has lxc-start in there.
16:09 < michagogo> I think it's in gitian's README
16:09 < michagogo> Oh, I see
16:09 < michagogo> Yeah, I guess
16:10 < PRab> Basically, when I do a gitian build I am just saying that I followed some instructions and didn't see anything blatantly evil.
16:10 < PRab> I haven't put too much time into figuring out exactly how all the pieces fit together.
16:13 < PRab> Also, I just verified that sudo doesn't appear to have a timeout. I just left "sudo nano test.txt" waiting at the password prompt for >5 minutes and it launched nano just fine as soon as I put in my password.
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16:14 < raedah> what is (fAllFromMe > mine)  checking? and where does ISMINE_SPENDABLE come from? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/transactionrecord.cpp#L84-L98
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16:25 < michagogo> Errrr...
16:25 < michagogo> So on one hand, looks like Tor has it all very wrapped and automated
16:26 < michagogo> You just need to clone the right things, then `make` does *everything*
16:26 < michagogo> builds the base VMs, pulls inputs, does all the build stages
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16:26 < michagogo> Which is nice.
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16:26 < michagogo> OTOH, they seem to be using *4* different VMs... of 2 different distros...
16:27 < michagogo> Both Wheezy and Precise, each amd64 _and_ i386
16:29 < michagogo> And, er... they seem to be shipping the OS X SDK? o_O
16:29 < michagogo> https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/mirrors/sources/
16:29 < michagogo> Their script downloads https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/mirrors/sources/MacOSX10.7.sdk.tar.gz
16:29 < midnightmagic> almost. if your system doesn't have, for example, the tls root certs installed the wgets for the prereqs will fail (unnecessarily); if you want to run with more procs you'll have to increase memsize; it's fairly fragile.
16:29 < midnightmagic> michagogo: yeah I don't know how they're shipping the SDK. it wouldn't surprise me if they got permission to do it.
16:30 < michagogo> We're using 10.9 these days, right?
16:30 < michagogo> Kind of a shame. Would be nice if we could point people to Tor's copy
16:31 < midnightmagic> i think so
16:31 < midnightmagic> I have the 10.9 SDK in my gitian inputs directory anyway
16:33 < michagogo> They seem to be using their own fork of gitian, unupdated since June 2013
16:33 < michagogo> No, never mind, there's a branch that's up to date
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17:13 < GitHub92> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #7558: Add importprunedfunds rpc call (master...prunedforport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7558
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18:12 < btcdrak> michagogo: definitely need to PR that sudo fix,  it has been annoying me for months.  
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