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00:38 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I'm sad to continue propagating the old varints in the protocol into more places. They're gratitiously inefficient for no reason... but I don't think the difference between the two really makes a meaningful bandwidth difference in this case.
00:39 < gmaxwell> (the differential encoding otoh makes a huge difference)
00:40 < sipa> gmaxwell: git btw uses little-endian varints, we use big endian ones
00:44 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I believe use of the bitcoin one will never cause a increase in packet count, even in the worst case with a 2MB sw block.
00:45 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: it could with cmpctblock :p
00:46 < gmaxwell> yes, there it could. but not in getblocktxn 
00:46 < gmaxwell> consider to get the 3 byte CompactSize, you'd need to have deltas of 254 or more. Well if you have 4000 btc, you can only have 15 such deltas.
00:47 < gmaxwell> s/btc/txn/
00:48 < BlueMatt> those extra few bytes...you never know :p
00:48 < gmaxwell> Well in any case if we cared the fact that small ranges take a whole byte is the real problem. :)
00:49 < gmaxwell> but I wasn't going to suggest you include a range coder.
00:50 < gmaxwell> Though someday when we do a compactblk v2 that uses set reconcil. we'd need a range coder to efficiently encode the transaction ordering...
00:53 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: in any case, make whatever change you need to make so that I never again hear someone arguing that it should use "UTF-8".
00:54 < BlueMatt> ..........
00:54 < BlueMatt> "I wasn't going to suggest"....you keep saying this...........
00:54 < BlueMatt> i mean i dont really give a shit about people making statements that are highly disconnected from reality...just that after having implemented it, I'm not sure its worth the protocol-complexity
00:56 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: yea, yank it out. I agree. 
01:02 < gmaxwell> https://people.xiph.org/~greg/temp/perm.tar.gz   permutation encoder that I started writing using the range coder from the daala video codec (which is a fast and efficient multiply free range coder with a nice API), which gets within about 0.5% of information thoretic efficiency. (e.g. it takes 1074 bytes to encode a permutation for 1000 elements).
01:08 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: the spec should say what happens if you send non-canonical CompactSize encodings.
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01:15 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: i will point out that undefined behavior may eat cats, including non-canonical CompactSize :)
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01:53 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: sure the rpc and such shows the BIP125 replacability status. My only concern was that we not do something like printing a warning.
01:53 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: because a warning would be material misinformation (as it would imply that transactions without the warning were more safe)
01:54 < jonasschnelli> Yes. I agree. I think we should use a slighly different transaction icon (which should not imply a warning)
01:54 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: though there are a dozen other characteristics we don't show anywhere in the UI that are often more interesting... we don't show when a transaction uses nlocktime.. we don't show the sighash flasgs of its signatures (for the latter, not even in the RPC). 
01:54 < gmaxwell> So I dunno why there would be an indicator icoin for 125 replacablity when there isn't one for nlocktime.
01:55 < jonasschnelli> Yes. We should be careful with what we add to the gui level. Maybe I was to focused on bip125 and thought its important to see it "everywhere". But right,... its not.
01:56 < jonasschnelli> IMO https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7826 is more important. Because the GUI/current master does not list mempool conflicts as conflicts.
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01:57 < jonasschnelli> Only conflicts with transactions in blocks
01:57 < jonasschnelli> screenshots: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7826#issuecomment-206424972
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01:57 < gmaxwell> oh thats no good. The RPC gets that right.
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01:58 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: hm. so a downside of that X if it's only mempool conflicted is that it sort of suggests the conflict can't actually go through.
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02:00 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: the "X" then would show that this transaction is replaced by another one.
02:00 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: But maybe there are better ways to deal with that.
02:00 < jonasschnelli> And yes. RPC does handle this, GUI currently not.
02:01 < gmaxwell> which can lead to funds loss, e.g. say I pay Alice and then do something stupid with my wallet and pay Bob.   The payment to bob is conflicted with the alice transaction in my own mempool.  The Bob payment has an X.   Bob is whining that I haven't paid him, so then I go to pay him again, since that txn is "bad" (it has an X).   Then both bob payments go through.
02:02 < GitHub116> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5c3f8ddcaa11...5e374f73060d
02:02 < GitHub116> bitcoin/master 0b1295b Pieter Wuille: Add SipHash-2-4 primitives to hash
02:02 < GitHub116> bitcoin/master 382c871 Pieter Wuille: Use SipHash-2-4 for CCoinsCache index...
02:02 < GitHub116> bitcoin/master 8cc9cfe Pieter Wuille: Switch CTxMempool::mapTx to use a hash index for txids
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02:02 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: Hmm... how could you create a conflict with the GUI?
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02:03 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: you can do it by loading two copies of the same wallet at once.
02:03 < jonasschnelli> IMO it would only be possible with the rawtx* API
02:03 < gmaxwell> or using raw txn.
02:03 < gmaxwell> or by loading a wallet backup.
02:03 < gmaxwell> Or by exporting a private key and using it in something else.
02:04 < jonasschnelli> Same problem would be present on RPC listtransaction I guess.
02:04 < gmaxwell> Obviously we try hard to make this difficult to do, but I've seen users do it unintentionally. 
02:04 < jonasschnelli> I don't see a easy solution to this.
02:05 < gmaxwell> listtransactions though still will show you the confirmcount of 0. The additional information hopefully would reduce misunderstandings.
02:05 < gmaxwell> I would suggest a ! instead of an X.
02:05 < jonasschnelli> But I see there is a big value in attributing mempool conflicts (with RBF now).
02:05 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Something different then a "X"
02:05 < gmaxwell> "!" suggests there is something going wrong here without as much implication that it is dead.
02:05 < gmaxwell> or something else.  Traffic cone. :)
02:06 < gmaxwell> (for a transaction at -6 confirms ... then I would say an X is okay! :) )
02:06 < jonasschnelli> But I guess the "!" transaction would never disappear.
02:07 < jonasschnelli> Once the replaced transaction got mined, the original-replaced transaction would still be in the wallet.
02:07 < jonasschnelli> This might lead to user confusion.
02:07 < jonasschnelli> A right-click-context menu "hide transaction" for some transactions would be good IMO
02:08 < gmaxwell> sure, so long as there is a way to 'show hidden transactions'
02:08 < jonasschnelli> Yes... would be required. Maybe over the options.
02:09 < gmaxwell> A good general UI design principle is that it should never be possible to do something that can't be undone... unless it's at least behind a confirmation.
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02:09 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Especially if its a bookkeeping transaction list.
02:10 < gmaxwell> and I think for this having a show/hide and a show hidden in the options menu.. would be okay. Perhaps even an automatically hide conflicted txn with -6 or more anti-confirmations. :)
02:11 < jonasschnelli> Good point!
02:11 < jonasschnelli> Also autohide "!" (mempool conflicts) once the replacement has been mined.
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02:27 < GitHub126> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5e374f73060d...457b9df6b595
02:27 < GitHub126> bitcoin/master fe80102 Matthew English: changing "(tests are) automatically run" to correspond to the earlier instance of "run automatically (on the build server)"
02:27 < GitHub126> bitcoin/master 457b9df Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8031: improvement to readability...
02:27 < GitHub191> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8031: improvement to readability (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8031
02:54 < GitHub152> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/457b9df6b595...ed749bdb6480
02:54 < GitHub152> bitcoin/master fb26bf0 Patrick Strateman: CAddrMan::Deserialize handle corrupt serializations better.
02:54 < GitHub152> bitcoin/master ed749bd Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7932: CAddrMan::Deserialize handle corrupt serializations better....
02:54 < GitHub57> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7932: CAddrMan::Deserialize handle corrupt serializations better. (master...2016-04-23-addrman-deserialize-limits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7932
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03:13 < GitHub84> bitcoin/master 52cbce2 Cory Fields: net: don't import std namespace...
03:13 < GitHub84> bitcoin/master 9faa490 Cory Fields: net: remove unused set
03:13 < GitHub84> bitcoin/master 563f375 Cory Fields: net: use the exposed GetNodeSignals() rather than g_signals directly
03:13 < GitHub163> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7906: net: prerequisites for p2p encapsulation changes (master...net-refactor-prerequisites) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7906
03:16 < GitHub77> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/83121cca7573...c74837b724d1
03:16 < GitHub77> bitcoin/master e5764e6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Remove outdated qt4 install information from README.md...
03:16 < GitHub77> bitcoin/master 6075bc4 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: 32 and 64 bit packages are seperate
03:16 < GitHub77> bitcoin/master c74837b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8048: doc: Remove outdated qt4 install information from README.md...
03:16 < GitHub148> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8048: doc: Remove outdated qt4 install information from README.md (master...2016_05_doc_noqt4) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8048
03:18 < GitHub163> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c3aedca2df890916aee78351dbb24bada9887c64
03:18 < GitHub163> bitcoin/0.12 c3aedca Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Remove outdated qt4 install information from README.md...
03:29 < GitHub23> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c74837b724d1...8e8bebc040a9
03:29 < GitHub23> bitcoin/master f93c2a1 Daniel Kraft: net: Avoid duplicate getheaders requests....
03:29 < GitHub23> bitcoin/master 8e8bebc Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8054: net: Avoid duplicate getheaders requests....
03:29 < GitHub41> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8054: net: Avoid duplicate getheaders requests. (master...per-client-duplicate-getheaders) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8054
03:32 < GitHub120> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8e8bebc040a9...239d41986454
03:32 < GitHub120> bitcoin/master d253ec4 Pieter Wuille: Make ProcessNewBlock dbp const and update comment
03:32 < GitHub120> bitcoin/master 316623f Pieter Wuille: Switch reindexing to AcceptBlock in-loop and ActivateBestChain afterwards
03:32 < GitHub120> bitcoin/master fb8fad1 Pieter Wuille: Optimize ActivateBestChain for long chains
03:32 < GitHub49> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7917: Optimize reindex (master...betterreindex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7917
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09:08 < GitHub40> [bitcoin] EthanHeilman opened pull request #8070: Remove non-determinism which is breaking net_tests #8069 (master...bug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8070
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10:01 < GitHub123> [bitcoin] morcos closed pull request #7716: [0.11] Backport BIP9 and softfork for BIP's 68,112,113 (0.11...backportBIP9SoftFork) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7716
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10:06 < Gnar> shitcoins
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12:34 < luke-jr> jonasschnelli: https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bips/builds/131230516
12:37 < jonasschnelli> Okay. Force pushed something... lets have a look. Thanks @luke-jr 
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12:39 < jonasschnelli> Looks good now: https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bips/builds/131233173
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13:01 < morcos> i'm getting this intermittant testing error: test/net_tests.cpp(92): error in "caddrdb_read": check addrman1.size() == 3 failed   (also in line 102)
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13:02 < paveljanik> morcos, #8070
13:02 < paveljanik> and #8069 8)
13:03 < morcos> paveljanik: thanks!
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13:28 < cjcj> Will compact blocks make it into 0.13?
13:40 < gmaxwell> cjcj: why do you ask?
13:40 < cjcj> Curiosity
13:41 < gmaxwell> Hopefully. No guarentees can be made for things that aren't in yet.
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15:14 < bad_duck> It might be a good idea to replace this link (wget -P inputs http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/osslsigncode/osslsigncode/osslsigncode-1.7.1.tar.gz )
15:14 < bad_duck> with an https version, here -> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-process.md
15:14 < bad_duck> the links seems to work in https too
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16:19 < phantomcircuit> bad_duck: it doesn't matter, the file downloaded is checked against a hash
16:24 < bad_duck> phantomcircuit: ok, thx! 
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18:19 < otebuv> what are the main differences between bitcoin-core and bitcoinj in terms of functionality
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18:58 < Chris_Stewart_5> How long is a 'retarget period' in BIP9?
19:01 < Chris_Stewart_5> Seems like it isn't defined in BIP9 unless I am missing something..
19:03 < pigeons> is it 2015 blocks or 2016?
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19:07 < Chris_Stewart_5> pigeons: Could be, it would make sense from drawing conclusions from the code snippets
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19:44 < luke-jr> otebuv: Bitcoin Core implements (and defines) the actual Bitcoin protocol, whereas BitcoinJ just has enough to trust a remote Bitcoin Core node
19:45 < luke-jr> (BlueMatt added Core-imitation logic implementing the actual Bitcoin protocol in BitcoinJ years ago, but AFAIK it's likely buggy and outdated by now)
19:45 < luke-jr> (and nobody uses it afaik, which is probably a good thing)
19:46 < otebuv> @luke-jr what about wallet/addresses functionality can i create new wallet addresses with bitcoin-core
19:47 < luke-jr> otebuv: Bitcoin Core does indeed have a wallet builtin
19:47 < luke-jr> in fact, it was the ONLY wallet for several years, and still the most mature
19:47 < BlueMatt> yea, it really, really should be removed
19:48 < BlueMatt> and is very outdated now
19:48 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: referring to BitcoinJ's impl of the protocol, and not Core's wallet, I assume?
19:49 < BlueMatt> yea
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22:32 < paveljanik> BlueMatt, #8068 doesn't compile at all here now (with clang).
22:33 < paveljanik> ./blockencodings.h:36:33: error: no matching conversion for functional-style cast from 'unsigned long' to 'CCompactSize'
22:39 < luke-jr> paveljanik: maybe another 32/64-bit issue?
22:40 < BlueMatt> looks like it...i fixed thaat bug in two other places....
22:40 < BlueMatt> just missed one
22:50 < BlueMatt> paveljanik: try now?
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23:10 < paveljanik> will do
23:11 < paveljanik> ./blockencodings.h:157:35: error: no matching function for call to 'min'
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23:19 < BlueMatt> huh
23:19 < BlueMatt> its fucking std::min........
23:20 < BlueMatt> paveljanik: added the include......
23:23 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: std::min only works when both arguments are exactly the same type
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23:23 < luke-jr> and it won't cast implicitly
23:27 < BlueMatt> fucking 32-bit......
23:28 < paveljanik> BlueMatt, you are on 32bits?
23:28 < BlueMatt> no
23:28 < BlueMatt> I suppose I'd be having these issues if I were :p
23:29 < paveljanik> I'm on x86_64...
23:33 < paveljanik> BlueMatt, now there are only two other errors: ./blockencodings.h:40 and 82 std::min
23:33 < BlueMatt> wtf
23:34 < BlueMatt> ugh...make me fucking install clang
23:37 < BlueMatt> anddddd...clang segfaults
23:38 < BlueMatt> well i fixed the std::min
23:38 < paveljanik> retrying...
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23:39 < paveljanik> passed the file now. Congrats! ;-)
23:39 < BlueMatt> heh
23:39 < BlueMatt> does clang really make size_t a 32-bit on 64-bit platforms???
23:39 < BlueMatt> that seems somewhat strange to me
23:40 < paveljanik> no no. It is unsigned long vs. unsigned long long
23:40 < BlueMatt> yea, unsigned long is probably 32-bit, no?
23:43 < paveljanik> unsigned long is 8 bytes long here.
23:44 < paveljanik> and ULL is 8 bytes here
23:44 < BlueMatt> heh, funny that it complains when 2 8-byte types dont match
23:44 < paveljanik> yep 8)
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23:46 < GitHub187> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/239d41986454...18436d889653
23:46 < GitHub187> bitcoin/master 00678bd Warren Togami: Make failures to connect via Socks5() more informative and less unnecessarily scary....
23:46 < GitHub187> bitcoin/master 0d9af79 Warren Togami: SOCKS5 connecting and connected messages with -debug=net....
23:46 < GitHub187> bitcoin/master 94fd1d8 Warren Togami: Make Socks5() InterruptibleRecv() timeout/failures informative....
23:46 < GitHub87> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8033: Fix Socks5() connect failures to be less noisy and less unnecessarily scary (master...proxy_fail_too_scary) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8033