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01:41 < GitHub81> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3685e0c1da29...6a87eb0e4b47
01:41 < GitHub81> bitcoin/master a7897c0 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Remove client name from debug window...
01:41 < GitHub81> bitcoin/master 6a87eb0 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #8281: qt: Remove client name from debug window...
01:42 < GitHub119> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #8281: qt: Remove client name from debug window (master...2016_06_qt_remove_client_name) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8281
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01:43 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: merged #8281 after the freeze (trivial non-feature). I hope this is okay...
01:49 <@wumpus> sure :)
01:49 <@wumpus> removing things is never a problem after the freeze
01:49 <@wumpus> thanks for testing
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03:01 < NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iXD6zdrp/
03:01 < NicolasDorier> looooooong timeout
03:01 < NicolasDorier> it was blocked, and strangely, when, I hit "Enter" in the console windows, all the socket dropped
03:01 < NicolasDorier> it is not the first time where I see a windows app completely frozen and unlocked by hitting enter in the console windows
03:02 < NicolasDorier> I guess the long timeout and this problem are related. But not really sure it comes from bitcoind.
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03:05 <@wumpus> I've heard of the problem before, seems only to happen with windows bitcoind.exe
03:06 <@wumpus> one guess would be that the network code somehow ends up reading from the console file descriptor, blocking it
03:07 <@wumpus> pretty rare and annoying to debug, I hope cfields's libevent networking will make it go away
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04:41 < GitHub75> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8285: windows: Add testnet link to installer (master...2016_06_testnet_link_windows) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8285
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05:28 < jonasschnelli> On my XEON E3 machine I get the deadlock assertions all the time...
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06:15 <@wumpus> jonasschnelli: which deadlock assertion?
06:23 <@wumpus> in networking?
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06:51 < jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. Always the same one: https://0bin.net/paste/p7d5aWJ1VUohM5ss#pNvMfpotISfZWnhH5sZgg6dzVKEWK6sEALP8YHgkfzU
06:52 < jonasschnelli> Can't really run master with --enable-debug on that machine..
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06:57 < MarcoFalke> Could the testnet windows link cause any problems/confusion when a user does not know the distinction between mainnet and testnet?
06:59 < sipa> It may result in people accidentally starting to use it, and testnet gaining exchange value again :p
07:01 < jonasschnelli> hehe...
07:01 < jonasschnelli> We could move it into a folder called "development/" or so in the windows startmenu?!
07:02 < jonasschnelli> No strong opinion though.
07:20 < GitHub67> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8286: [doc] typos, READMEs, comments, headers (master...Mf1607-trivialPre13) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8286
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07:37 <@wumpus> sigh
07:37 <@wumpus> couldn't we have that discussion *before* I started implementing it? I wouldn't have bothered
07:37 <@wumpus> I'd say a green icon and (testnet) would eb clear enough
07:37 <@wumpus> but if not, never mind
07:38 < MarcoFalke> It is helpful for 0.13
07:38 < MarcoFalke> but we may want to revert  it for 0.14
07:38 <@wumpus> why?
07:39 <@wumpus> the issue was that people don't test on testnet enough
07:39 < sipa> i think it is fine
07:39 <@wumpus> I'm not sure why that'd be version dependent
07:39 < MarcoFalke> On the other hand. The people that can't figure out how to start testnet are not going to do fancy pentesting
07:39 < sipa> i think testnet gaining value would be a fantastic problem to have
07:40 < sipa> because it would imply it is being used
07:40 <@wumpus> so is it anywhere in the testnet GUI not clear that it is running testnet?
07:40 <@wumpus> the icon color is different, the splash is different, the window title is different
07:40 < sipa> it doesn't even accept the same addresses
07:40 <@wumpus> right!
07:40 <@wumpus> I'd say if people get confused by that, that's toobad for them
07:40 < sipa> nobody will accidentally try to pay from the testnet client
07:41 < sipa> if there are complaints about it causing confusion we can address them
07:41 <@wumpus> nodoby can have themselves paid out to a testnet client
07:41 < sipa> i think it's a good thing regardless to give testnet more exposure
07:41 <@wumpus> anyhow, we should have had this discussion sooner, I wouldn't have dived into all the windows bullshit
07:41 < sipa> i think it's all fine
07:41 < MarcoFalke> Sure, nothing fatal can happen. 
07:41 <@wumpus> it's not like it is any fun
07:41 <@wumpus> I thought there was agreement to do it
07:42 < sipa> there was
07:42 < sipa> and there is, as far as i'm concerned
07:42 <@wumpus> let's not be over-worried, if you should be worried about something it'd be a fatal bug in any new feature of 0.13
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07:43 < MarcoFalke> Agree, we should totally  try that and see what happens.
07:45 < MarcoFalke> Maybe we can then close https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3172 
07:45 <@wumpus> that one was never entirely clear to me, it's not a request for  bitcoin core feature
07:46 <@wumpus> (at least how I read it it could be implemented as an external script in terms of rpc)
07:47 <@wumpus> jonasschnelli: thanks for the new icon, going to try
07:47 < sipa> I think 3172 proposes a service which we run
07:47 < sipa> the code for which could be included in the reposiutory
07:47 <@wumpus> I don't think it's something we want to encourage though
07:47 <@wumpus> bouncing coins that way
07:48 <@wumpus> people may think it's a valid way to refund
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07:48 <@wumpus> if someone wants to make a service like that, they can, anyhow
07:49 < paveljanik> the only confusion can be sample address in the Pay To in the Send tab. It is 1NS... which is a bad example in testnet.
07:50 < sipa> we could add an exampleaddress std::string to chainparams
07:50 <@wumpus> or heck, just remove the example address
07:50 < paveljanik> I'd prefer removal, yes :-)
07:50 <@wumpus> especially with the new address formats coming up
07:50 < sipa> also fine
07:51 < paveljanik> or we can take an address used in coinbase of the genesis block
07:51 < paveljanik> 8)
07:52 <@wumpus> lol, it doesn't have to be a valid address at al
07:52 <@wumpus> it's not like people are supposed to send to it
07:52 <@wumpus> (it's luckily not easy to do that, as it will disappear if you start typing)
07:53 < paveljanik> yes, but better to show them something they are supposed to enter in the field.
07:53 < paveljanik> you can't even copy&paste it... so this is good.
07:53 <@wumpus> although I've never even thought about people trying to do that - removing the example address is definitely safest
07:53 <@wumpus> indeed, you can't
07:53 <@wumpus> you could make a screenshot then type it over
07:53 <@wumpus> or OCR it :-)
07:54 < paveljanik> providing example address can be of some value though, for some people...
07:54 <@wumpus> or just memorize it
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07:54 <@wumpus> nah, all in all, it's probably a liability
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07:54 <@wumpus> I also used to have that opinion that it had some value, but that value may well be slightly negative :)
07:56 <@wumpus> can we generate an address that *looks* like an address for current network
07:56 <@wumpus> but is invalid?
07:56 <@wumpus> we can't change that message anymore for 0.13 as its part of a translation strnig
07:56 <@wumpus> but the address is parametrized
07:57 <@wumpus> maybe instead of  a full address show the first few characters and ...
07:58 < paveljanik> then we can print the address for pubkey 0.
07:58 < paveljanik> privkey of course
07:59 < paveljanik> 1HZ or so it was...
07:59 <@wumpus> pubkey 0 would work too, probably easier to generate
07:59 < paveljanik> isn't pubkey 0 valid? ;-)
08:00 < sipa> the example address IS an invalid address i hope
08:00 < paveljanik> privkey 0 is valid when sending 8)
08:00 < sipa> like, its checksum fails
08:01 <@wumpus> IIRC it is valid
08:01 <@wumpus> src/test/data/base58_encode_decode.json:["00eb15231dfceb60925886b67d065299925915aeb172c06647", "1NS17iag9jJgTHD1VXjvLCEnZuQ3rJDE9L"],
08:02 <@wumpus> ok it's just valid base58, not more, you may be right about the checksum
08:04 <@wumpus> simple enough to use the same principle to generate an address on the fly with the correct network-specific prefix
08:06 < GitHub69> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8287: [wallet] Set fLimitFree = true (master...Mf1607-walletLimitFree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8287
08:11 < MarcoFalke> paveljanik: Off-by-one for boolean is fatal. I am pretty sure I got it right :)
08:12 < sipa> In other news: C++17 removes the ++ operator for booleans
08:12 < paveljanik> MarcoFalke, ;-) So in the sendrawtransaction you have just set it to false as it was before, only named the constant.
08:12 < paveljanik> so in the commit with =true, you applied +bool fLimitFree = false; ;-)
08:13 < paveljanik> a bit unexpected :-)
08:13 < MarcoFalke> The rpc is just refactoring
08:13 < paveljanik> but correct :-)
08:13 < paveljanik> yes
08:13 < MarcoFalke> Hopefully someone will remove that soon
08:13 < MarcoFalke> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7533#discussion_r57856636
08:15 < paveljanik> but there are usecases where you want to accept free tx into your mempool. Especially when it is submitted locally...
08:16 < MarcoFalke> Then do it via sendrawtx
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08:20 < paveljanik> right now, yes. But after removal?
08:21 < MarcoFalke> 7533 would make it such that you could overwrite it
08:21 < MarcoFalke> Instead of an infinite list of params you just pass a set
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08:34 < GitHub175> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8288: qt: Network-specific example address (master...2016_06_network_based_example_address) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8288
08:36 <@wumpus> voila
08:40 < paveljanik> FYI, github fixed the certificate on githubusercontent.com....
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09:41 < GitHub15> [bitcoin] roques opened pull request #8289: bash-completion: Adapt for 0.12 and 0.13 (master...completion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8289
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10:46 < luke-jr> wumpus: what is your LC_COLLATE? :/
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14:32 < GitHub73> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8291: [util] CopyrightHolders: Check for untranslated substitution (master...Mf1607-utilCopy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8291
14:37 < NicolasDorier> wumpus: I'm not sure the timeout comes from network code. It already happened to me before any connection were done. (ie, when I rebooted, during the block verification phase) I don't think we should bother though, I'm almost sure it happened to me on other projects, and I've not seen it happening without printtoconsole
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18:52 < GitHub64> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #8293: Bugfix: Allow building libbitcoinconsensus without any univalue (master...sys_univalue_opt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8293
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