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00:30 < gmaxwell> median transaction size on the network has increased a lot in the last week or two. It's now around 350 bytes.
00:30 < gmaxwell> I wonder if a heavy transcting party started doing sendmanys.
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08:20 < GitHub184> [bitcoin] UdjinM6 opened pull request #8394: Make sure all ports are 16 bit numbers (master...uint16port) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8394
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12:54 < adiabat> howdy - not sure who was mining on testnet3, but it seems there are no longer any segwit-enabled miners operating
12:54 < adiabat> for a couple days, no segwit txs have gotten into blocks
12:56 < moli> adiabat, we're talking it on #bitcoin :) 
12:56 < adiabat> ah ok
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14:30 < luke-jr> hm, implementation problem for BIP 145
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14:30 < luke-jr> turns out the *4 of sigops/sigoplimit is something the client needs to understand after all, since it constructs the generation transaction :/
14:31 < luke-jr> as well as the definition of weight :|
14:34 < luke-jr> not really sure how to fix this
14:34 < luke-jr> short of implementing weight-counting in clients
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16:03 < sipa> luke-jr: no bare pubkeys in coinbase outouts. fixed
16:06 < luke-jr> or p2pkh?
16:14 < sipa> oh, right :(
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18:33 < goatpig> is this the right place to ask about some segwit mechanics?
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18:43 < sdaftuar> goatpig: sure
18:43 < goatpig> im mostly concerned about the changes to the transaction format
18:43 < goatpig> does it change anything for outputs?
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18:47 < sdaftuar> the serialization of the outputs hasn't changed, just the serialization for transactions with witness have two extra bytes, i believe
18:48 < goatpig> there was nothing about changes in txout format in the bips so i was a bit confused
18:48 < sdaftuar> you're looking at bip144 i assume?
18:49 < goatpig> aside from the commitment in the coinbase scriptpubkey, are wtxids used elsewhere?
18:49 < goatpig> 141 143 and 144
18:50 < sdaftuar> wtxid's are not yet used elsewhere, though we can expect they will be soon.  sipa just proposed an extension to BIP 152 (compact blocks) that would use them
18:50 < sdaftuar> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/423
18:51 < sdaftuar> there's been some discussion about whether tx relay might be better with wtxid's rather than txid's, but that hasn't been settled yet from what i can tell
18:51 < goatpig> so outputs are still referred to by hash in inputs and the merkle root is still built of off hashes?
18:52 < sdaftuar> yes that's right
18:52 < sdaftuar> (hash == txid)
18:52 < goatpig> right
18:52 < goatpig> so
18:53 < goatpig> how does that reduce maleability attack surface?
18:53 < achow101> signatures aren't hashed because they are in the witness
18:53 < goatpig> oic
18:53 < goatpig> right that makes sense now
18:54 < achow101> but only for segwit output types
18:54 < goatpig> you mean outputs defined by segwit'd inputs?
18:55 < sdaftuar> no, outputs that are defined by being version 0 segwit outputs
18:56 < achow101> these are defined in bip141
18:56 < achow101> p2wpkh, p2wsh, and those can also be nested in a normal p2sh 
18:57 < goatpig> you mean the stuff in the example section of bip141?
18:57 < achow101> yes
18:58 < goatpig> those look like signed inputs to me
18:58 < sdaftuar> goatpig: can you explain what you mean?  i don't follow
18:58 < goatpig> you mean the prepended 0 in the scriptPubKey part?
18:59 < goatpig> sdaftuar: my current understanding of segwit is this
18:59 < goatpig> inputs can be segwit enabled, with the proper construct
18:59 < goatpig> nothing changes in outputs at all
18:59 < sdaftuar> ah
19:00 < goatpig> if im wrong, that explains why im confused
19:00 < sdaftuar> no, the right way to think about this is that we've carved out some of the output space to have special semantics
19:00 < goatpig> that's the prepended 0?
19:00 < sdaftuar> yeah that's the OP_0
19:01 < sdaftuar> so a segwit version 0 P2WSH output looks like this: [OP_0, 32-byte-hash]
19:01 < goatpig> ok so you have to first use a non segwit input redemption to create a segwit enabled output
19:01 < goatpig> then you can segwit input redeem it?
19:01 < sdaftuar> yes, that's right
19:01 < achow101> yes
19:01 < goatpig> ok now it makes sense
19:01 < goatpig> thanks =)
19:01 < sdaftuar> sure!
19:02 < goatpig> achow101: so if the wtxid isn't used anywhere but in the coinbase commitment, what where you using that for?
19:03 < goatpig> armory doesn't implement much of the concensus layer, certainly something that deep
19:03 < achow101> It isn't used at all.
19:03 < achow101> I had to change that hashing stuff to hash the transaction with segwit stuff stripped out
19:04 < goatpig> oh i case of raw block data with the witness data appended?
19:04 < achow101> yes
19:04 < goatpig> ok makes sense
19:06 < goatpig> so in regard to the p2p layer, transcations with witness are inv'd by wtxid right?
19:07 < achow101> no, by normal txid
19:08 < achow101> there is an inv type to get the transaction with witness serialization
19:08 < goatpig> getdata type you mean?
19:08 < achow101> yes
19:09 < goatpig> is there any reason to use anything but MSG_WITNESS_TX in getdata packets instead of MSG_TX?
19:09 < goatpig> i guess besides backwards compatibility with older nodes
19:09 < achow101> ^that
19:10 < goatpig> ok so a non issue for armory then
19:10 < goatpig> aight guys, thanks for the help
19:17 < NicolasDorier> I have am synching a node (from currrent master) from another single localhost node. At around 320 000 it takes several second per block (around 5 seconds) my CPU is not speaking, nor disk access, nor memory access.
19:17 < NicolasDorier> any idea of something obvious I could have forgot ?
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19:21 < goatpig> anyone here familiar with the BIP151 discussion?
19:21 < goatpig> any reason ChaCha20-Poly1305 was picked over AES-GCM?
19:26 < NicolasDorier> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/at6M00hU/
19:26 < NicolasDorier> holy cow Connect transactions takes 70s
19:28 < NicolasDorier> ah no 32s... still...
19:31 < NicolasDorier> ok... did not sleep well 1000ms = 1s. Nevermind what I said.
19:50 < GitHub73> [bitcoin] cqtenq opened pull request #8396: remove outdated legacy code (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8396
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21:09 < NicolasDorier> my connect block takes really long, I'm not sure it is normal. Some blocks take more than 15s... I never benchmarked before, is it normal ?
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22:08 < wumpus> NicolasDorier: what kind of CPU/disk?
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22:18 < btcdrak> goatpig: iirc, because SSH uses it. ping jonasschnelli 
22:36 < NicolasDorier> wumpus: 2 core 2.20Ghz, 3.5 RAM. Neither are capped
22:36 < NicolasDorier> Basically an A2 on azure (https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/pricing/details/virtual-machines/)
22:37 < wumpus> usually the cause of really slow connect times, when CPU is not at 100%, is i/o bottleneck
22:53 < NicolasDorier> wumpus: 
22:53 < NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UeL6uFo1/
22:53 < NicolasDorier> it seems kind of strange
22:53 < NicolasDorier> one sec I check io
22:54 < NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/glkQVh8o/
22:54 < NicolasDorier> mmh
22:55 < wumpus> I've also noticed really slow i/o on windows, but assumed it was just the slow laptop
22:55 < NicolasDorier> may me that...
22:55 < NicolasDorier> well on my side it can be worse because
22:55 < NicolasDorier> it is a VM on azure
22:55 < wumpus> right
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