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-!- dinao [82ebc98a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.235.201.138] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:14 < dinao> What is the purpose of the version-field in transactions? 04:15 -!- Ginnarr [~Ginnarr@unaffiliated/ginnarr] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:20 < Yogh_> when two blocks at the same height (at the tip) arrive in a Core node, does Core choose the first-seen block or the highest-work block as its chaintip of preference? 04:20 < wumpus> always the highest total work, also this is a general #bitcoin question 04:22 < GitHub136> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f71490d2179...6e54c85439b6 04:22 < GitHub136> bitcoin/master 0637b02 Johnson Lau: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive... 04:22 < GitHub136> bitcoin/master 6e54c85 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive... 04:22 < GitHub65> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive (master...patch-17) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8803 04:24 < sipa> Yogh_: unless there is a retarget inside the reorged blkcks, the amount of work in both blocks will be the same 04:25 < sipa> Yogh_: so yes, core chooses the highest work, but in practice the work will be the same, and we use first-seen as tie breaker 04:26 < sipa> dinao: bip68 uses it 04:26 < GitHub49> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e54c85439b6...920ca1f0bf0b 04:26 < GitHub49> bitcoin/master 4731cab Pavel Janík: Do not shadow variables 04:26 < GitHub49> bitcoin/master 920ca1f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials)... 04:26 < GitHub42> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials) (master...20160902_Wshadow_trivials) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8655 04:26 < Yogh_> okay thanks 04:27 < dinao> sipa: Can I ignore what nSequence says if I use a certain version of the transaction? 04:28 < sipa> dinao: nSequence still has a meaning (for determining finality) for nVersion=1 transactions 04:29 < dinao> sipa: Ok, so nVersion=1 transactions are still standard? 04:29 < sipa> absolutely 04:30 < dinao> sipa: Thanks for the clarifications! 04:30 < sipa> as long as they're final 04:30 < sipa> (which means either nlocktime=0 or all nsequence values maximal) 04:48 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:48 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:59 -!- bbr0ther [~bbr0ther@mm-213-177-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:06 < luke-jr> … or nlocktime < median timestamp or block height 05:07 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@n218250011174.netvigator.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:08 -!- bbr0ther [~bbr0ther@mm-213-177-215-37.mfilial.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 05:11 < sipa> luke-jr: right! 05:12 < GitHub29> 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bitcoin/0.13 1672225 Pieter Wuille: Do not store witness txn in rejection cache... 06:11 < GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 b394a96 instagibbs: Add basic test for IsStandard witness transaction blinding... 06:11 < GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 a5ec248 Johnson Lau: Remove createwitnessaddress... 06:11 -!- jchrome [~jchrome@sydnns0115w-047055195222.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:20 < GitHub142> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/920ca1f0bf0b...14e8f9916beb 06:20 < GitHub142> bitcoin/master 42f6aed Wladimir J. van der Laan: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException... 06:20 < GitHub142> bitcoin/master 14e8f99 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException... 06:21 < GitHub61> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException (master...2016_09_tests_rpc_error) 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error... 07:33 < GitHub169> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8357: [mempool] Fix relaypriority calculation error (master...maiiz-patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8357 07:35 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:47 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:48 -!- rubensayshi [~ruben@82.201.93.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:00 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00 -!- aureianimus 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seems ready for merge but needs rebase 08:26 < wumpus> probably because of #8526 08:32 < btcdrak> jl2012 is rebasing now 08:33 < MarcoFalke> btcdrak: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/217 (website is broken) 08:34 < MarcoFalke> the meeting shows up on the main page 08:34 < btcdrak> oh. pushed 08:38 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.13] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 08:43 < jl2012> yes, waiting for travis 08:47 -!- ijij_ [~name@bl11-114-194.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47 < wumpus> great 08:48 < jl2012> #8499 is replaced with the policy only version 08:48 -!- stan [~stan@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:48 -!- stan is now known as Guest42379 08:52 -!- Guest67268 [~stan@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:53 < jl2012> just a nit: we should change the name of SIGVERSION to SCRIPTVERSION (I think we talked about it Zurich) 08:54 < jl2012> it is the script, not the signature, determining the behaviour 08:54 < GitHub3> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a4f6d72e615...fc4f4547b7f6 08:54 < GitHub3> bitcoin/master e41bd44 Johnson Lau: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG 08:54 < GitHub3> bitcoin/master fc4f454 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG... 08:54 < GitHub147> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG (master...nullfail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8634 08:57 < btcdrak> \o/ 08:57 -!- jchrome [~jchrome@sydnns0115w-047055195222.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59 < jl2012> #8499 is trivial. What is the progress of #8393 compact block? 09:00 < sdaftuar> jl2012: i think it's done or close to done. could be merged as-is, or with some tests, or with some minor improvements -- not sure what sipa prefers to do, but i'm fine with any of those options 09:01 < jl2012> sdaftuar: thanks, #8499 is redone based on your suggestions 09:01 < sdaftuar> jl2012: cool, i'll take a look 09:03 < sipa> sdaftuar: i'll go through your suggestions later today 09:04 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:30 -!- droark [~droark@204.28.118.156] has quit [Quit: Later.] 09:35 < kanzure> is there some logs i can look at for why there is a tor client in bitcoind rather than using SOCKS5 for tor? 09:36 -!- NicolasDorier [sid129442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oolvasncklslkitb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:36 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has 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no tor client in bitcoind 10:48 < wumpus> the only way bitcoind can use tor is to connect though the proxy or be connected from a hidden service 10:49 < wumpus> and there is some logic to talk to tor through its control port, to automatically listen on a hidden service 10:50 -!- binns [sid105317@21/bitcoin/binns] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:51 -!- d4de [~d4de@156.213.47.173] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:51 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikmxcvvnxkoqbzog] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:51 < wumpus> for details read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/tor.md 10:52 < d4de> wumpus, shouldn't the whole logic of exposing bitcoin as a hidden service be done outside of bitcoin? 10:52 < d4de> is the convenience of automating small bits of tor really worth having to maintain a part of a tor client? 10:52 -!- cdecker [~quassel@2a02:aa16:1105:4a80:fc41:9652:59a2:1569] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:53 < sipa> there is no "part of a tor client"... 10:53 < sipa> there is logic to talk to tor 10:53 < sipa> to ask it to open a port for us 10:53 < d4de> oh ok, what's that? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/920ca1f0bf0b786250e3119a05984e0c2af1350a/src/torcontrol.cpp 10:53 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:53 < d4de> right 10:53 -!- NicolasDorier [sid129442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikrvdtfqgbadvuhd] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:53 < sipa> that's a client for tor's control interface 10:54 < d4de> so usually people just have that done outside of their app, in any case, my question stands 10:54 < wumpus> sure, having it happen automatically means that it is easier to do 10:54 < wumpus> it's easy enough to disable if you don't want to use the functionality 10:54 < d4de> yep, worth maintaining and be a potential source of issues? 10:55 < d4de> I understand that wumpus 10:55 < wumpus> everything is a potential source of issues 10:55 < d4de> I'm arguing for the merits of having in the code base to begin with 10:55 < d4de> true, so let's not add more to "everything"? see where I'm coming from 10:55 < d4de> ? 10:55 < wumpus> who are you and why are you arguing this? 10:56 < sipa> we as a community of developers are the ones who have to maintain this, and we found it worthwhile to have this regardless of the extra work it brings 10:56 < d4de> I'm a bitcoin user... why, because I believe bitcoind should do one thing and one thing only instead of having the binary be bigger? 10:56 < wumpus> it hardly matters to the binary size 10:56 < wumpus> please go do something else 10:57 < d4de> I'll certainly will, thanks 10:57 -!- d4de [~d4de@156.213.47.173] has left #bitcoin-core-dev ["Leaving"] 10:57 < wumpus> it's like you arguing anti-privacy 10:57 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57 < wumpus> strange person 10:57 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined 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Do one thing only and do it the best you van. But the world has moved... 10:59 < paveljanik> can 11:00 * wumpus comes form the 'UNIX world' 11:00 < paveljanik> people are lazy 11:00 * paveljanik too 11:00 < paveljanik> even if it is about their money... 11:00 < wumpus> I've developed for solaris, for openbsd, that doesn't make me a crazy person that goes into other people's project's IRC channels and start silly arguments 11:01 < wumpus> oh HPUX even 11:01 < sipa> we still don't have SMTP support in bitcoind, right? 11:01 < paveljanik> he probably misunderstands the tor principles... 11:02 -!- michagogo [uid14316@wikia/Michagogo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:03 < wumpus> no LISP interpreter either 11:03 * paveljanik hides his Editor 8) 11:03 < paveljanik> M-x wallet RET 11:04 < paveljanik> oops, wrong buffer 11:04 < paveljanik> ;-) 11:04 < sipa> bah, in my days we used to compute our public key by hand 11:05 < cfields_> wumpus: to clarify, a typical "./configure --prefix=foo" is enough to trigger the -fstack-protector-all bug for you with xenial mingw? 11:05 -!- CodeShark [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buswlutxfwexhrux] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05 -!- CodeShark [sid126576@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eikkuyppzivptxjd] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:05 < wumpus> cfields_: yes 11:10 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3A15D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbpsjezagoloaqni] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10 -!- aureianimus_ [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 < cfields_> (I should say.. build with depends, typical configure, and ./test_bitcoin.exe?) 11:10 < wumpus> cfields_: the default hardening settings trigger it 11:10 < wumpus> sipa: but were the keys longer than 16 bits? :-) 11:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 < wumpus> yes, I did nothing special 11:10 < wumpus> why, you can't reproduce it? 11:10 < wumpus> I may have switched the g++ compiler to posix and back a few times :) 11:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 11:10 < cfields_> if that's the case, happy to report that it's fixed after my toolchain work 11:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10 -!- adam3us_ [~adam3us@unaffiliated/adam3us] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 < cfields_> wumpus: i've added thin toolchain builders to depends that rid us of the ubuntu toolchain dependency. Only needed once for bootstrap, then we're self-hosted 11:10 < wumpus> but I think it should be reproducible with new xenial vm + sudo alternatives to switch the compiler to posix (so that it gets past the threading problems) + follow instructions in doc/build-windows.md , 11:10 -!- michagogo [uid14316@wikia/Michagogo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:10 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10 < wumpus> cfields_: interesting, so that version is newer than the one in ubuntu, I guess? 11:10 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ffovfuuugtzosgzz] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:10 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10 -!- isis [~isis@abulafia.patternsinthevoid.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:10 < cfields_> I'm not sure if that's what you wanted long-term or not, but I wanted to go through the process to see what it would take 11:11 < wumpus> gcc or clang? 11:11 < cfields_> wumpus: yes. gcc 6.2.0. mingw 4.0.6. 11:11 -!- adam3us [~adam3us@unaffiliated/adam3us] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:11 -!- Evel-Knievel [~Evel-Knie@d5152f744.static.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:11 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:11 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-hbsbwymurpozaydr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:11 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:11 < wumpus> I don't care, I just want the releases to work :) 11:11 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 11:11 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3A15D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:11 < wumpus> whoa 6.2,0, I'm surprise that works at all 11:11 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ezliowxrsgyzwuoy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:12 -!- Evel-Knievel [~Evel-Knie@d5152f744.static.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:12 < wumpus> I don't think I've ever used a gcc newer than 5.x 11:12 < wumpus> but anyhow for macosx we use a custom toolchain too right? 11:12 < wumpus> I don't see a problem with doing the same for windows 11:12 < kanzure> wumpus: i don't think d4de is arguing anti-privacy; he previously proposed other ways of using tor. 11:12 < cfields_> figured i'd start with latest stable versions of everything, then backing down as needed 11:13 < cfields_> wumpus: yes. Linux is self-hosted now too. 11:13 -!- binns [sid105317@21/bitcoin/binns] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:14 < wumpus> the only problem with our own toolchains is that we have to set what CPU and architecture to target and such 11:14 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:14 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Client Quit] 11:14 < cfields_> wumpus: the idea would be: very rarely, build new toolchains with gitian and host them. Essentially the same as we do now with the clang toolchain for osx 11:14 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:14 < cfields_> wumpus: yep, plug in your triplet, and it builds you a toolchain that just works :) 11:15 < wumpus> the compiler is also built determinstically? 11:15 < cfields_> yep. Even builds its own glibc and uses it to interpret itself 11:15 < wumpus> kanzure: it was weird anyhow 11:15 < cfields_> (only in one round, though) 11:16 < wumpus> cfields_: so we have to do a gitian round for building the toolchain? 11:19 -!- binns [sid105317@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:20 -!- aureianimus_ [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:20 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 < wumpus> cfields_: I think it makes sense, although it has to be deterministically reproducible over a longer time than typical bitcoin releases I guess 11:21 < cfields_> wumpus: we wouldn't have to as it should just work anywhere. But for purity, I think we'd want to 11:21 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 < sipa> cfields_: does this mean we could build reproducible binaries, directly from depends/, without gitian? 11:21 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 < wumpus> but how does that work, the toolchain is built and the result is cached like the other depends packages? 11:21 < cfields_> sipa: I think it'd be possible, but likely not realistic. Things like $USER and $PATH would be hard to strip out 11:21 < wumpus> yes and tons of unix utilities that are used during the build/configure process which may give slightly differnet results on different OSes, the toolchain is not the only thing that reflects in the binaries 11:21 < cfields_> wumpus: yea. The caching part isn't done yet, but I was picturing a make BUILD_TOOLCHAIN=true or so, otherwise it attempts to fetch the known pre-built one 11:21 -!- BCBot [~BCBot@46.101.246.115] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 < sipa> cfields_: would you consider that to be future work? 11:21 < sipa> (making it deterministic without gitian) 11:21 < wumpus> cfields_: you mean, fetch pre-built binaries? that seems like a security risk 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@21/bitcoin/binns] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@21/bitcoin/binns] has quit [Changing host] 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbuqimzrpsmfsxtb] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbuqimzrpsmfsxtb] has quit [Changing host] 11:21 -!- binns [sid105317@21/bitcoin/binns] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:21 < cfields_> sipa: could be, but I think it'd require a new approach. It essentially needs a chroot at minimum, I think 11:21 < wumpus> sipa: I think you need some kind of controlled environment for deterministic building, whether it a chroot or LXC container 11:21 < wumpus> sipa: otherwise there's just too much factors that can interfere 11:21 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:21 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-ezliowxrsgyzwuoy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:21 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:22 < cfields_> wumpus: right, which is why we'd want them built with gitian. The download would look for a specific pre-generated result and checksum. Same as our osx toolchain download now. 11:22 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-sqdaadfxlbthpcei] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:22 < cfields_> wumpus: also note that the toolchains are chained. So the old one always builds the new one. 11:23 < cfields_> wumpus: again, I'm not married to it. I just wanted to go through it to see what it would take. If you'd prefer a different approach, or not bothering, I'm fine with that. The busted mingw toolchain from Ubuntu just made me grumpy :) 11:24 < wumpus> cfields_: well I think building the toolchain to build with, certainly for windows makes sense 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 < cfields_> wumpus: also worth noting that they're stand-alone and relocatable. So they're still generally useful outside of depends 11:28 -!- isis [~isis@149.154.159.149] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 -!- stan [~stan@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 < wumpus> I just think that outside of gitian, depends downloading binaries is a bit questionable 11:28 -!- stan is now known as Guest30637 11:28 < wumpus> it's not what I would expect at least 11:28 < cfields_> wumpus: well, it could default to self-building I suppose 11:28 < cfields_> no reason not to, other than it takes a long time. 11:28 < wumpus> I think it should default to using the toolchain provided by the user, unless specified otherwise 11:28 < wumpus> I mean *generally* if you cross compile you have a toolchain and want to use that 11:28 < wumpus> the ubuntu situation is kind of fucked up 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@wikia/Michagogo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@wikia/Michagogo] has quit [Changing host] 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvimhhhbwiyooius] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vvimhhhbwiyooius] has quit [Changing host] 11:28 -!- michagogo [uid14316@wikia/Michagogo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:29 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:29 < cfields_> wumpus: sure. But the question is: going forward, how do we specify the toolchains used for releases? I don't think we always want to be at the mercy of the latest $distro packages? 11:29 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:30 -!- bsm1175322 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:30 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@38.121.165.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:30 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:30 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:30 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:31 -!- cryptapus__ is now known as cryptapus 11:31 < wumpus> cfields_: I think we should distinguish two cases here a) gitian builds b) user's depends builds. For the gitian builds it's acceptable to use our own toolchain. Also for depends, if so chosen. But I don't think depends should start out fetching/building a toolchain by default 11:32 -!- Guest30637 [~stan@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 < wumpus> cfields_: an example, let's say I'm cross-compiling for ARM. I have my own toolchain which I've built myself specifically for the device I'm cross-compiling to. But I use the depends to build bitcoin's dependencies. 11:32 < wumpus> cfields_: I wouldn't expect it to start building a random ARM toolchain, then :) 11:34 < wumpus> or ubuntus with broken toolchain we should document how to use our own, alternative toolchain 11:34 < wumpus> +for 11:34 < cfields_> wumpus: yes. The more reasonable approach would probably be 2 processes. One to build our toolchains, the other to build our depends. One can be plugged into the other for gitian/travis. 11:35 < wumpus> at least until ubuntu has cleaned up their act... 11:35 < cfields_> (just by setting PATH) 11:35 < wumpus> right 11:35 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:40 < cfields_> ok. And in that case, we'd want them chained together to eliminate distro reliance, right? 11:40 < wumpus> for the gitian builds, absolutely 11:40 < wumpus> I completely agree with what you're doing, I just don't think it should be default for depends 11:40 < cfields_> ok 11:40 -!- berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 11:40 -!- LeMiner2 [LeMiner@5ED1AFBF.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:40 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:40 -!- LeMiner2 is now known as LeMiner 11:41 < cfields_> sipa: to answer your question, I'm torn. I think working on a deterministic process like that is interesting, but I think it's more correct and generally useful to do it at a higher level 11:42 < cfields_> higher level meaning: fix the tools as needed to allow determinism, then projects can provide their own minimal environments (or use a de-facto one) for stripping out the rest. 11:42 < cfields_> There are already several projects like that, I think I'd only be adding noise :) 11:43 < sipa> cfields_: ok, just asking :) 11:43 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:43 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:43 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:47 < GitHub86> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8809: WIP: [qt] rework sync-overlay (master...Mf1609-qtSyncInf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8809 11:48 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@5ED1AFBF.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48 < wumpus> cfields_: yes we should strongly avoid duplicating other project's efforts 11:48 < wumpus> we have plenty of issues of our own 11:49 < wumpus> and way too few people to handle them... 12:00 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:00 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-sqdaadfxlbthpcei] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:01 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:01 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-odoedrpustnjdtkd] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:01 < arubi> I'm noticing the same behavior change in my own parser after implementing segwit today: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/40b5ff00 - is parsing supposed to fail on zero inputs txs now? 12:02 < sipa> no valid transaction can have zero inputs 12:03 < arubi> right, and that would be the case forever? 12:03 < sipa> yes, it's a consensus rule 12:04 < sipa> and changing it would introduce replay attacks to bitcoin 12:04 < sipa> bitcoin core uses some heuristics when parsing input for fundrawtransaction and decoderawtransaction to determine whether it's an incomplete non-segwit transaction instead 12:04 < sipa> but i expect that longer term we'll need to move away from using the same serialization for incomplete transactions 12:05 < sipa> it becomes very hard to hack things like partial signatures for more complicated scripts into it 12:05 < arubi> exactly 12:06 < morcos> what were we saying CPU SHA256 speed was in MB/s? 12:06 < sipa> 150 12:06 < morcos> k, thx 12:06 < arubi> sipa, I see, so not really losing anything by not parsing transactions like those anymore, not that I ever used it for anything meaningful. I'll try figuring out how to bail early. thanks 12:12 -!- nibor [~nibor@185.9.34.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:20 < jonasschnelli> has the FIBER (relay network) any form of encryption or authentication? 12:21 < sipa> BlueMatt: ^ 12:22 < sipa> (also, it's called FIBRE) 12:22 < jonasschnelli> Ah.. it's french :) --- Log closed Tue Sep 27 12:27:49 2016 --- Log opened Tue Sep 27 12:28:50 2016 12:28 -!- kanzure_ [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:28 -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-core-dev: Total of 134 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 134 normal] 12:29 -!- stan [~stan@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:29 -!- stan is now known as Guest68182 12:29 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30 -!- Alina-malina [~Alina-mal@37.157.216.181] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:31 -!- cysm [cysm@unaffiliated/paracyst] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:35 -!- Guest68182 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#bitcoin-core-dev 22:38 -!- jchrome [~jchrome@sydnns0115w-047055195222.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:39 -!- bitcoin-core-dev [325dfb87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.93.251.135] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 22:46 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 22:50 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:10 < GitHub190> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fc4f4547b7f6...14b7b3fb9f79 23:10 < GitHub190> bitcoin/master fa4bfb4 MarcoFalke: [wallet, policy] ParameterInteraction: Don't allow 0 fee 23:10 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10 < GitHub190> bitcoin/master 14b7b3f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8814: [wallet, policy] ParameterInteraction: Don't allow 0 fee... 23:10 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:10 < GitHub50> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8814: [wallet, policy] ParameterInteraction: Don't allow 0 fee (master...Mf1607-walletHighFeeWarn) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8814 23:16 -!- bitcoin-core-dev [325dfb87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.93.251.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:41 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:45 -!- jannes_ [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:47 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52 -!- aureianimus [~quassel@s55963df3.adsl.online.nl] has 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