--- Day changed Sat Oct 15 2016 00:00 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:00 < btcdrak> wumpus: you can run abcore 00:02 < wumpus> it does pruning, I hope? 00:02 < wumpus> ok it does, even enabled by default 00:04 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vlwgazwdadepgbeg] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:11 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:35 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:38 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44 < GitHub1> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/03dd707dc027...088d1f441301 00:44 < GitHub1> bitcoin/master fafeec3 MarcoFalke: [qt] sync-overlay: Don't show progress twice... 00:44 < GitHub1> bitcoin/master 088d1f4 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8906: [qt] sync-overlay: Don't show progress twice... 00:44 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@n218250011174.netvigator.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:45 < GitHub49> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8906: [qt] sync-overlay: Don't show progress twice (master...Mf1610-qtSyncProgress) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8906 00:45 < GitHub39> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8903: Seed insecure_rand during start (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8903 01:26 -!- Bootvis_ [bob@baltar.lan.endoria.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:27 -!- Eliel [~jojkaart@104-250-47-212.rev.cloud.scaleway.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:27 -!- jeremias1 [~jeremias@kangasbros.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:28 < GitHub108> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/088d1f441301...49c591037289 01:28 < GitHub108> bitcoin/master f9bd92d Wladimir J. van der Laan: version.h: s/shord/short/ in comment 01:28 < GitHub108> bitcoin/master 2c09a52 Wladimir J. van der Laan: protocol.h: Move MESSAGE_START_SIZE into CMessageHeader... 01:28 < GitHub108> bitcoin/master 1df3111 Wladimir J. van der Laan: protocol.h: Make enums in GetDataMsg concrete values... 01:28 < GitHub133> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8880: protocol.h: Move MESSAGE_START_SIZE into CMessageHeader (master...2016_10_cosmetic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8880 01:28 -!- aj_ [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:30 -!- da2ce7_ [~da2ce7@opentransactions/dev/da2ce7] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: wumpus, nickler_, Bootvis, sanada, gluytium_, LeMiner, da2ce7, instagibbs, dermoth, TD-Linux, (+5 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:38 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dermoth 01:48 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@n218250011174.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: DigiByteDev] 01:51 -!- LeMiner 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(master...DebugWindowMinPing) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8925 06:57 -!- Dabbds [bc78d41d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.120.212.29] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:13 -!- wumpus [~wumpus@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:16 -!- Dabbds [bc78d41d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.120.212.29] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:28 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:33 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:06 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:15 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:19 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:23 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:27 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:38 -!- MarcoFalke [~marco@host10-2.natpool.mwn.de] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 08:39 -!- cheese_ [~x@208.167.254.50] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:39 -!- cheese_ [~x@208.167.254.50] has quit [Changing host] 08:39 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:42 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 08:42 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:43 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:57 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:03 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:20 -!- cheese_ [~x@208.167.254.95] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:20 -!- cheese_ [~x@208.167.254.95] has quit [Changing host] 09:20 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27 -!- jonasschnelli [~jonasschn@unaffiliated/jonasschnelli] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:32 -!- jonasschnelli [~jonasschn@2a01:4f8:200:7025::2] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:41 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:45 < GitHub17> [bitcoin] jl2012 opened pull request #8927: Add script tests for FindAndDelete in pre-segwit and segwit scripts (master...findanddeletetest) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8927 09:47 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:52 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:53 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:56 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:15 -!- RoyceX [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:17 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19 -!- RoyceX [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21 < GitHub144> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #8928: Fix init segfault where InitLoadWallet() calls ATMP before genesis (master...2016-10-fix-segfault) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8928 10:22 < BlueMatt> ^ I think travis has been lying about tests passing, my reading of the code says it /should/ segfault :/ 10:24 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@79-73-190-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:25 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:27 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-185-184.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:57 < GitHub106> [bitcoin] sigwo opened pull request #8929: add software-properties-common (master...patch-6) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8929 11:16 -!- JackH_ is now known as JackH 11:21 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:22 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:25 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:46 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: undefined behaviour is not guaranteed to segfault :D 12:50 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-190-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-190-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:55 -!- friendsofbitcoin [~friendsof@201.195.126.7] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:58 < friendsofbitcoin> Which Core dev would be willing to review and creat any needed unit test for this in demand pull request - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7534 I would be willing to offer a reward of 0.5BTC for efforts pushing this through. I apologize in advance if this question is inappropriate for this venue as Im not familiar with any precedents 13:00 * luke-jr (will be done rebasing it soon FWIW) 13:26 < luke-jr> (done) 13:43 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:43 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:18 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 14:28 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-190-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33 -!- alpalp [~allen@2605:6000:f4d6:d600::3] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:33 -!- alpalp [~allen@2605:6000:f4d6:d600::3] has quit [Changing host] 14:33 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:45 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45 < GitHub39> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #8930: Move orphan processing to ActivateBestChain (master...net_processing_3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8930 14:48 -!- d_t [~textual@83-244-233-135.cust-83.exponential-e.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:02 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:03 < alpalp> how hard would it be to modify mining block selection to choose other than first seen? 15:06 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:29 < luke-jr> alpalp: not very. see preciousblock RPC. 15:29 < luke-jr> it's not generally a good idea, however. 15:30 < alpalp> why's that luke? 15:31 < alpalp> for example, I might be able to make more fees mining off the 2nd block seen than first. 15:31 -!- d_t [~textual@83-244-233-135.cust-83.exponential-e.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:32 < luke-jr> it's liable to cause consensus delay and/or failure 15:32 < luke-jr> for example, you might prefer to make less fees if others will prefer your block over an earlier one 15:32 < sipa> one of the problems that may worsen with declining aubsidy 15:32 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:32 < sipa> the incentive to not work on top of the tip may increase in some circumstances 15:34 < luke-jr> I think it gets significantly worse if your peers prefer other than first-seen 15:35 < alpalp> trying to understand the danger before I open a can of worms. 15:35 < alpalp> if there are two "equal" tips at some point in time 15:35 < alpalp> definitely aware of issues down the road with low subsidy 15:36 < alpalp> luke-jr why is it worse if peers are not doing this strategy? 15:40 -!- cryptapus_afk is now known as cryptapus 15:41 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:44 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:09 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:33 -!- cdecker [~quassel@2a02:aa16:1105:4a80:bc9d:c9de:59a1:72de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:36 -!- kadoban [~mud@unaffiliated/kadoban] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:04 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:16 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3A3FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:36 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:36 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47 < dgenr8> if peers are building on first-validated, miner has to balance the tx fee against the increased risk that peer will fail to finish validating his block first. this might just push up fees. 17:49 < alpalp> why would a peer fail to validate his first? 17:50 < alpalp> peer would need to validate 2 blocks instead of 1? 17:59 < dgenr8> parallel validation is being considered in some quarters 18:16 < alpalp> not sure how that applies. My fee thing was more a hypothetical. I might prefer one block at same height over another for many reasons 18:27 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vlwgazwdadepgbeg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:38 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 18:40 < dgenr8> ok, yes. PV is just one example of a non-first-seen rule 18:49 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:51 < alpalp> PV? 18:54 -!- friendsofbitcoin [~friendsof@201.195.126.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49 -!- juscamarena [~jus@47.148.176.74] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 19:49 -!- juscamarena is now known as cbit 19:50 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 19:55 -!- cheese_ [~x@c-174-59-204-158.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 19:55 -!- cheese_ [~x@c-174-59-204-158.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:55 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 19:59 < luke-jr> dgenr8: why would you prefer to validate 2 competing blocks slower, vs validate one at a time? 20:04 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:05 -!- fengling [~fengling@43.255.176.4] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 20:07 < alpalp> if you can validate 2 in parallel faster than 2 serially, you know which to buildon 20:09 -!- cheese_ [~x@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:11 -!- xiangfu [~xiangfu@223.223.187.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11 -!- xiangfu [~xiangfu@223.223.187.142] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 20:12 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14 < dgenr8> luke-jr: BU is working on this to try to discourage blocks that take unusually long to validate 20:14 < luke-jr> alpalp: but it won't be faster 20:15 < luke-jr> dgenr8: it doesn't make much sense to measure actual validation time in light of compressed blocks.. 20:19 -!- kadoban [~mud@unaffiliated/kadoban] has quit [Quit: bye] 20:46 < jl2012> friendsofbitcoin, luke-jr: if you want to rebase 7534 please do it after 8499 is merged. 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