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02:45 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10546: Remove unused Boost includes (master...remove-unused-boost-includes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10546
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03:27 < wumpus> 0.14.2rc2 executables up https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.14.2/test.rc2/
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03:47 < timothy> hi, do you think -bip148 option will be included in 0.14.2 final?
03:52 < SopaXorzTaker> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1955073.0
03:52 < wumpus> timothy: no
03:53 < timothy> wumpus: bad :P
03:53 < wumpus> there's no agreement to add bip148 support to core at all, and adding a major feature like that between rcs doesn't happen
03:53 < wumpus> yeah I know...
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03:54 < timothy> it's disabled by default and optional :P
03:56 < wumpus> I'm sure there will be a bip148 variant of -final 
03:57 < wumpus> and you can always just cherry-pick the UASF commit on top while testing
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03:58 < timothy> the UASF commits, since luke-jr is working on DoS stuff
04:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.14: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/7a643511b474d53f952d3cd403af51aabd104044
04:07 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.14 7a64351 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Fill in details about miniupnp CVE-2017-8798
04:08 < wumpus> anything else that needs special notice in the 0.14.2 changelog?
04:13 < wumpus> ref: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0.14/doc/release-notes.md
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05:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10547: Use std::random::mt19937/uniform_int_distribution (C++11) instead of boost::random equivalents (master...remove-boost-random-dependency) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10547
05:27 < gmaxwell> what why do we have any of that? grr scheduler.
05:27 < wumpus> yea that should use our own fast random context
05:30 < wumpus> though this allows for direct conversion of the code, I don't think there's much of a point as we use no fancy statistical distribution stuff at all
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06:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10548: Use std::unordered_{map,set} (C++11) instead of boost::unordered_{map,set} (master...unordered_map) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10548
06:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #10540: [WIP] Salvage wallet should not set the aggressive flag on Db::verify() (master...fixsalvage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10540
06:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 9 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/be3e042c20e2...46311e792f4e
06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 578ec80 Luke Dashjr: RPC: rawtransaction: Add RBF support for createrawtransaction
06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 891c5ee Luke Dashjr: Wallet: Refactor FundTransaction to accept parameters via CCoinControl
06:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 36bcab2 Luke Dashjr: RPC/Wallet: Add RBF support for fundrawtransaction
06:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #9672: Opt-into-RBF for RPC & bitcoin-tx (master...rpc_rbf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9672
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07:14 < wumpus> any opinion on reverting https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9672 ? seems to have been a bit of a mistake
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07:24 < jnewbery> no need to revert. I was just voicing surprise that it got merged without response to review comments or test cases for the new functionality in bitcoin-tx
07:26 < wumpus> yes I agree
07:27 < wumpus> anyhow can be added later I guess, and your comments should still be addressed
07:38 < wumpus> let's wait for luke-jr's response
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08:11 < jonasschnelli> wumpus, jnewbery: Yes. I think 9672 is okay. No need to revert... if there is something, we can fix it up later. Some of the commits also have reviews/utACKs in other PRs. 
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08:16 < wumpus> thanks for weighing in, maybe that's what confused me too
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08:44 < wumpus> checking for QT... no
08:44 < wumpus> checking for QT... no
08:44 < wumpus> strange, that appears double on freebsd at least
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09:44 < timothy> wumpus: me too (fedora 26)
09:45 < wumpus> timothy: that's also a case in which QT is not detected?
09:45 < timothy> qt4 and qt5
09:45 < timothy>         PKG_CHECK_MODULES([QT], [$qt5_modules], [QT_INCLUDES="$QT_CFLAGS"; have_qt=yes],[have_qt=no])
09:45 < timothy>         PKG_CHECK_MODULES([QT], [$qt4_modules], [QT_INCLUDES="$QT_CFLAGS"; have_qt=yes], [have_qt=no])
09:47 < wumpus> oh, it makes sense then, if only the message was clear about that :)
09:47 < timothy> yes, I'll propose a pull request to change QT with QT5 and QT4
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09:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] drizzt opened pull request #10549: Avoid printing generic and duplicated "checking for QT" during ./configure (master...check_qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10549
09:55 < timothy> wumpus: ^^
09:55 < wumpus> timothy: thanks!
09:56 < timothy> (un)likely I work often with autotools :P
09:59 < morcos> sipa: i'm still reviewing #10195, but i think i have one issue.  if you agree, i can fix it after i finish review if you want, or you can.
09:59 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10195 | Switch chainstate db and cache to per-txout model by sipa · Pull Request #10195 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:00 < morcos> in ATMP, it seems like it will be too slow to do HaveCoins for every outpoint of a new tx, in the common case, that's hitting disk for every outpoint of every new tx
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10:01 < morcos> we can probably ditch that whole block of code altogether, and rely on AlreadyHave which is called just before ATMP in net_processing, or if we need to because of other places ATMP is called, we can duplicate the idea of just checking 1 or 2 outputs that AlreadyHave uses
10:02 < sipa> or change it to HaveCoinInCache?
10:02 < sipa> ah no, nvm
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10:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pavlosantoniou closed pull request #10530: Fix possibly unsafe accesses of array in class base_uint<BITS> (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10530
10:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] pavlosantoniou reopened pull request #10530: Fix possibly unsafe accesses of array in class base_uint<BITS> (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10530
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11:04 < luke-jr> wumpus: BIP148 is a softfork. We typically consider those bugfixes and only added on minor bumps..
11:05 < luke-jr> [10:58:08] <timothy> the UASF commits, since luke-jr is working on DoS stuff <-- for now, it may be safer to omit some of the DoS stuff; that's additional on top of BIP148 (not necessary), and has less review so far
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11:07 < luke-jr> wumpus: I don't see the point in reverting unless there's an actual problem.
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11:15 < jtimon> if you are included in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support please check that your position is not misrepresented (mine was by mistake)
11:18 < sipa> luke-jr: i don't "want" BIP148. I want segwit, as I think it's necessary for Bitcoin's future. BIP148 is a overly risky means of obtaining that. That does not mean I oppose it if there were tremendous support, but on itself I think it's a bad idea
11:19 < sipa> i'm going to delete my line from that table - i don't think it can represent nuanced opinions
11:20 < jcorgan> i think the "wanting" terminology is confusing
11:20 < jcorgan> as is the "deficient"
11:21 < jcorgan> sipa: "wanting" means you like it but think community support is lacking
11:21 < sipa> i don't like it
11:21 < jcorgan> that is not how I would take it at first read, and clearly not how you feel
11:21 < sipa> i would be happy if it worked, but i don't believe it can
11:22 < jcorgan> i suggest you keep yourself there but just keep the prefer 141 and the rest empty
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11:23 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: "We typically consider [soft forks] bugfixes and only added on minor bumps.." <-- NO, WE DO NOT
11:24 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: lolwut? even Segwit was added on a minor bump
11:24 < BlueMatt> we consider them CONSENSUS CHANGES, and release them in minor version so as to avoid forcing anyone to upgrade to a soft fork for other major-version features they want
11:24 < BlueMatt> just because it was a minor version number does not mean its a "minor bump"
11:27 < BlueMatt> if anything, the fact that we release them in minor versions indicates how seriously we take them, not the inverse - they are the only thing in that release (+/-) and get an entire release cycle dedicated just to them
11:28 < jtimon> who is proposing to change that (ie enabling activation of consensus changes only on minor versions)?
11:29 < BlueMatt> jtimon: I dont think anyone, I just found luke's comments laughably insulting to the effort that goes into consensus changes
11:29 < sipa> luke-jr: i think the point is that yes softforks can be merged in minor release, but no that does not mean that any softfork will be merged
11:29 < wumpus> never between rcs though
11:30 < BlueMatt> lol @ merge consensus changes between rcs
11:30 < BlueMatt> actually lol
11:30 < jtimon> oh, I see, luke wants bip148 for 14.2 ?
11:30 < luke-jr> wumpus: point taken
11:31 < luke-jr> jtimon: that would be ideal, but wumpus makes a good point that it's too late for 0.14.2
11:32 < jtimon> yeah I assumed that was clear. I'm unconvinced a variation of bip149 cannot be merged before mov15 though, so maybe it could make it to 0.14.3
11:34 < luke-jr> [18:29:06] <BlueMatt> jtimon: I dont think anyone, I just found luke's comments laughably insulting to the effort that goes into consensus changes <-- effort goes into traditional bugfixes as well. "bugfix" does not make any implication of effort.
11:34 < jtimon> yeah I read that
11:34 < jtimon> oh, sorry
11:35 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: well then let me rephrase, consensus changes are *not* bugfixes....they could be if there was an actual bug, but so far we havent seen one (and, no, "segwit hasnt happened" is not a bug...)
11:35 < BlueMatt> more recent consensus changes have been 6+ month review and tweak cycles, even for simple things
11:36 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: being vulnerable to miners producing a long chain of invalid blocks, is the bug fixed by (any) softforks
11:36  * BlueMatt proposes redlisting soft fork again, clearly its a bugfix so must be merged *now*
11:36 < luke-jr> but call it what you like, it's beside the point
11:37 < BlueMatt> no, you're missing the point, this is consensus, not a fucking joke
11:37 < luke-jr> bugs aren't a joke
11:38 < BlueMatt> you appear to be dead-set on taking it as one
11:38 < sipa> luke-jr: i don't think you can consider not implementing an new and backward-compatible consensus change a bug
11:38 < sipa> luke-jr: i wouldn't call 0.13.0 buggy when segwit actives; at best, it is outdated
11:39 < sipa> the whole point of softforks is that nobody is required to adopt the rule
11:39 < luke-jr> to retain full node security, you need to adopt the rule
11:40 < BlueMatt> the idea that its a "bug" (or even an issue) for a user to *not* "upgrade" to enforce a soft fork is laughable...if that were the case, Bitcoin would pretty clearly have no long-term value
11:40 < sipa> luke-jr: what? no
11:40 < BlueMatt> "oops, miners are enforcing redlisting, you need to upgrade"
11:40 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: false equivalency is not helping
11:41 < sipa> how is that a false equivalency?
11:41 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: I absolutely do not believe it is false equivalency, actually. We're talking about what precedent is being set for Bitcoin's future and how changes are made in Bitcoin
11:41 < morcos> Can we talk about when we're upgrading to C++17 instead?
11:41 < BlueMatt> ACK     
11:41 < BlueMatt> is filesystem in 17?
11:41 < BlueMatt> or is that 15?
11:42 < BlueMatt> 14     
11:42  * sipa wants std::this_thread::sleep(10ms);
11:42 < luke-jr> hopefully compilers support it sooner than C++11
11:42 < BlueMatt> sipa: wait, thats not 11?
11:42 < sipa> BlueMatt: no, c++14
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11:42 < BlueMatt> ohoh, the ms postfix, yea
11:43 < sipa> still no concepts :(
11:43 < sipa> not even in 17
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11:47 < wumpus> we supported c++11 in.. 2016, so extrapolating that, c++17 will be usable in 2022
11:47 < luke-jr> :/     
11:47 < wumpus> don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger :)
11:50 < sipa> c++11 took much longer to be actually available in compilers
11:50 < sipa> c++14 is already default in gcc 6
11:50 < sipa> the changes in 14 and 17 are also much smaller than the c++03-c++11 changes
11:50 < wumpus> std::optional is pretty nice
11:51 < luke-jr> how long until GCC 6 is on major distros?
11:51 < luke-jr> Gentoo just got GCC 5 like a month ago
11:51 < BlueMatt> debian? 2025?
11:51 < jtimon> sure, ack on moving to c++14, what do we need to do?
11:52 < sipa> i think GCC 5 fully supports c++14
11:52 < BlueMatt> oh, thats a lie, wow, next debian is gcc 6
11:52 < luke-jr> RHEL tends to be the slowest these days
11:52 < sipa> and c++17... doesn't exist yet
11:52 < luke-jr> from what I've seen
11:52 < wumpus> std::string_view is very useful too
11:53 < luke-jr> lo, was morcos just trolling
11:54 < BlueMatt> morcos' xkcd 356 is good
11:54 < wumpus> recent versions of clang already support a lot of c++17 features, even though it doesn't officially exist yet
11:54 < sipa> Clang finished support for C++14 in 3.4 though under the standard name c++1y.[23] GCC finished support for C++14 in GCC 5, and made C++14 the default C++ standard in GCC 6.[24] Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 has support for some but not all C++14 features.[25]
11:55 < jtimon> luke-jr: does it matter? the important part is that if we don't move to c++14 coon some people may start moving to ripple, they had c++14 almost from launch </bad joke>
11:55 < sipa> hahaha
11:55 < jtimon> s/coon/soon
11:55 < wumpus> bitcoin core compiles almost entirely without changes in c++17 mode, btw
11:56 < luke-jr> wumpus: that's a nice start at least
11:56 < wumpus> there were some minor things last time I tried
11:56 < jtimon> wumpus: awesome, what are the almost no changes?
11:56 < wumpus> but those might be clang-weirdnesses as well
11:57 < wumpus> should be in my cloudabi branch, let me see
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11:58 < wumpus> jtimon: https://github.com/laanwj/bitcoin/commit/efeec33d19752de7480f1e8d0fbcd79e49548910
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11:59 < BlueMatt> god I keep finding things and being like "wait, didnt I change that???" only to realize its in a queued-next PR based on one still pending :(
11:59  * BlueMatt really wants to make all CBlockIndexes const :(
12:00 < sipa> BlueMatt: what do you do with the mutable fields?
12:00 < sipa> (nChainTx, nStatus, nFile, ...)
12:00 < BlueMatt> sipa: ehh, sorry, const outside of validation.cpp
12:00 < sipa> ah!     
12:00 < sipa> yes!
12:00 < BlueMatt> ie exposed versions in headers are all const, and mapBlockIndex is const too
12:01 < BlueMatt> sipa: its the next one queued after #10279
12:01 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10279 | Add a CChainState class to validation.cpp to take another step towards clarifying internal interfaces by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #10279 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:16 < achow101> wumpus: did you change your gitian key?
12:16 < achow101> or sign with the wrong one?
12:18 < wumpus> I've added a signing subkey
12:18 < wumpus> it's the same I use for signing commits
12:20 < jtimon> wumpus: yeah, that's a very small diff
12:20 < achow101> wumpus: ah, ok. Apparently I don't have that key
12:21 < jtimon> BlueMatt: been there
12:24 < wumpus> achow101: --refresh-keys should get it AFAIK
12:24 < BlueMatt> jtimon: ehh, its normal 'round here, review is hard
12:25 < jtimon> yep, and time consuming
12:25 < BlueMatt> with good reason
12:25 < jtimon> not saying otherwise
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12:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #10551: [Tests] Wallet encryption functional tests (master...wallet-encrypt-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10551
12:40 < luke-jr> btcdrak: are you planning to do a 0.14 addrindex?
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12:44 < jtimon> yeah, I'm interested in knowing that too
12:44 < sipa> :(     
12:44 < BlueMatt> :) ?
12:45 < jtimon> for an explorer
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12:46 < sipa> i wish people wouldn't build solutions that require a fully indexed unpruned blockchain
12:47 < jtimon> sipa: although honestly like it as I have it with only blockheight, blockhash and txid for searching
12:47 < luke-jr> sipa: I agree, but a 0.14 addrindex will be less annoying than supporting 0.13 longer than necessary XD
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13:02 < BlueMatt> sipa: is deserializing bandb/addrdb any more expensive than any other deserialization?
13:02 < BlueMatt> its vector operations, mostly, just like the rest, no?
13:02 < BlueMatt> re: 10248: so I dont see why it matters
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13:10 < sipa> BlueMatt: code simplification
13:10 < BlueMatt> hmm? no, i mean i like 10248
13:11 < BlueMatt> and dont think the removal of the ability to skip deserialize on hash mismatch is worth worrying about
13:12 < sipa> oh, i agree
13:14 < wumpus> yes it doesn't really matter in this case, the hash is not a MAC and it's unlikely the bandb/addrdb will be used as an attack vector in any case
13:14 < wumpus> so 10248 is fine
13:14 < BlueMatt> if you can modify my bandb........
13:14 < BlueMatt> something something wallet in same folder
13:14 < wumpus> you can also change the hash, sure
13:16 < wumpus> the checksum is there against accidental corruption, and checking the hash on the fly is just as good for that
13:16 < sipa> i'd change your bitcoind :p
13:18 < wumpus> and if there is any way for a corruption to *crash* the deserialization I guess there's worse problems
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13:52 < ryanofsky> should it be necessary to lock mempool.cs before calling atmp? is this lock needed: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet.cpp#L1546
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14:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon closed pull request #10427: Consensus: Introduce static GetScriptFlags (mostly MOVEONLY) (master...b15-consensus-script-flags-min) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10427
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14:59 < BlueMatt> ryanofsky: probably not?
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15:04 < ryanofsky> ok, thx for sanity check
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15:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 11 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/46311e792f4e...e801084decf4
15:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37e864e Pieter Wuille: Add FastRandomContext::rand256() and ::randbytes()...
15:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90620d6 Pieter Wuille: scripted-diff: Rename cuckoo tests' local rand context...
15:12 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 124d13a Pieter Wuille: Merge test_random.h into test_bitcoin.h
15:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #10321: Use FastRandomContext for all tests (master...fast_rand_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10321
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15:31 < jtimon> btw, I got #9717 out of #10339 as requested
15:31 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9717 | Pow: Remove fCheckPOW from CheckBlockHeader by jtimon · Pull Request #9717 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
15:31 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10339 | Optimization: Calculate block hash less times by jtimon · Pull Request #10339 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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17:14 < achow101> is there any particular reason to be gathering coverage data for leveldb?
17:14 < achow101> cfields_: ^^ (you added it 4 years ago)
17:18 < gmaxwell> achow101: when reporting you can easily filter it out by passing through lcov -r
17:18 < gmaxwell> I think it might be of interest at some point to know figures for how much of leveldb that our tests cover.
17:19 < gmaxwell> though kinda odd to do it by default
17:19 < achow101> lcov -r is really slow, but I have a workaround for that :)
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17:21 < achow101> I don't think having it is necessary so we can just skip gathering data for it altogether
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17:32 < gmaxwell> faster computer. :P
17:32 < gmaxwell> the way the lcov stuff is setup in our build seems kinda convoluted to me, but I'm not maintaining it.  I normally just do it with CFLAGS/CCFLAGS overriding and buildings.
17:34 < sipa> gmaxwell: achow101 reimplemented lcov -r in python, making it run 60x faster
17:34 < sipa> (20 minutes -> 20 sec)
17:36 < gmaxwell> lol     
17:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon closed pull request #9579: Net: Trivial-review: Make SendMessages easier to review (master...0.15-split-sendmessages) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9579
17:42 < jtimon> can https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/239728492 be restarted ?
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18:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #10552: [Test] Tests for zmqpubrawtx and zmqpubrawblock (master...zmq-raw-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10552
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20:24 < Chris_Stewart_5> bitcoind in -regtest activates all soft forks (+ segwit) and enforces all Policy flags after generating ~500 blocks right?
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23:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #10477: Use C++ initializer to initialze map and implement map comparator as const (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10477
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23:59 < kallewoof> fanquake: I think you got the @name wrong in the comment on #10477 btw. (cg31 opened, you said @benma)