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00:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f0579bfea1db...659c09613408
00:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b13a68e Pieter Wuille: Squashed 'src/leveldb/' changes from 196962ff0..c521b3ac6...
00:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 47f3e8c Pieter Wuille: Update LevelDB with latest Bitcoin-specific patches
00:01 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 659c096 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #10958: Update to latest Bitcoin patches for LevelDB...
00:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10958: Update to latest Bitcoin patches for LevelDB (master...20170731_leveldb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10958
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01:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10975: [script] Return early if no valid opcodes found in CountWitnessSigOps(...) (master...return-early-in-CountWitnessSigOps) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10975
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03:50 < jonasschnelli> Got a request from a miner: what is the best document to figure out how to create segwit coinbase transactions?
03:50 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0141.mediawiki?
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05:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #10976: [MOVEONLY] Move some static functions out of wallet.h/cpp (master...pr/wmove) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10976
05:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #10977: [net] Fix use of uninitialized value in getnetworkinfo(const JSONRPCRequest& request) (master...valgrind-getnetworkinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10977
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14:59 < gmaxwell> jnewbery: https://twitter.com/jfnewbery/status/892856516985991170  I think this is misleading. Retarget modified the difficulty from the prior block, so it's likely to double apply a dip, not undo it.
15:00 < gmaxwell> Though it depends on when in the retarget window the crazy-change applies.
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15:00 < gmaxwell> E.g. if 20 blocks before the retarget the 12h rule triggers, it will then drop the difficulty 73.7% (because when it triggers it triggers 6 times in a row...)
15:01 < gmaxwell> then you'll get to the retarget, and the code will go "oh wow, took longer than expected for the last 2016 blocks, better lower the difficulty".
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15:11 < gmaxwell> E.g. the worst case is probably something like you run at 1/11th the hashrate for a whole retarget interval, then just before the end, hit the magic rule. This drops your difficulty by 3.8, then the retarget will apply and drop the diffuclty by a factor of 11, resuting in blocks being about 4x too fast.
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15:37 < jnewbery> thanks gmaxwell. Yes, makes sense
15:38 < jnewbery> Having two difficulty readjustment algorithms is confusing :/
15:39 < jnewbery> I assumed that normal retarget was based on the previous retarget nBits, not pindexLast
15:39 < jnewbery> (which of course would be the same thing if you didn't change nBits within a retarget window)
15:42 < gmaxwell> jnewbery: yea, more or less an accident of software construction that it uses the last rather than the last retarget.
15:42 < gmaxwell> This actually creates a bug for testnet's diff1 rule, if it happens at the wrong block it'll warp testnet's difficulty back to 1.
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17:00 < jnewbery> #10882 is squashed and ready for reACK/merge
17:00 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10882 | Keypool topup by jnewbery · Pull Request #10882 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
17:01 < sipa> jnewbery: thanks!
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18:49 < james0909> hi, i'm having an issue with core, could someone help?
18:51 < instagibbs> james0909, #bitcoin please, someone can help there
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19:47 < praxeology> Would it be worth adding some ECC to chainstate and the block index?  Maybe running a memtest before the first synch?
19:47 < praxeology> Memtest could auto start on the first synch from genesis... but be skippable
19:48 < praxeology> Although... sure memtest is better to be done w/ something like Memtest86+
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20:55 < gmaxwell> praxeology: error correction wouldn't really help unless it was very very high overhead.
21:03 < praxeology> I guess I wasn't really calling for error correction, more error detection.  But yea I guess it already does detect an error eventually
21:04 < gmaxwell> There is error detection.
21:06 < praxeology> Maybe if the client gets stuck on an old block, it should suggest to the user that maybe its database is corrupted... and give some suggestions on what to do about it
21:12 < sipa> it does
21:12 < sipa> and asks if you want to reindex
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21:18 < praxeology> ok.  james0909 in #bitcoin said his error log said...  "ERROR: invalid header received 2017-08-03 01:48:18 ProcessMessages(headers, 11422 bytes) FAILED peer=38"?  and his tip was stuck at 478645.  
21:18 < praxeology> But he didn't say anything about it asking him to reindex... although he did ask if he should reindex.
21:19 < gmaxwell> praxeology: why do you think there is corruption...
21:20 < gmaxwell> praxeology: the invalid headers messages are bcash nodes getting banned. And he may not catch up if he's been offline until the next block if the peer he picked for the initial header sync was broken or malicious.
21:21 < praxeology> he said he tried connecting to other peers.
21:21 < gmaxwell> what does that even mean
21:21 < praxeology> I guess I didn't confirm that he actually connected to a known good peer
21:22 < gmaxwell> doesn't matter f he is 'connected' to a good peer, he won't continue syncing until there is a new block.
21:22 < praxeology> oh.  I didn't know that
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21:22 < gmaxwell> (if he was behind and the peer he elected for initial headers was bogus)
21:22 < praxeology> So he needs to be connected to a good peer while a new block comes in
21:23 < gmaxwell> praxeology: sure, just doing nothing will do that with very high likelyhood since it'll be connected to at least 8 peers.
21:24 < praxeology> when bitcoin starts up, it only chooses one peer to ask for latest headers?
21:24 < sdaftuar> praxeology: yes
21:24 < praxeology> and if that fails... it doesn't ask another?
21:24 < gmaxwell> praxeology: right, and if doesn't give all of them it won't learn that it's behind until someone else advertises a block.
21:24 < sdaftuar> praxeology: in 0.15, there will be a timeout on that request
21:24 < gmaxwell> it can't tell when it 'fails'
21:24 < gmaxwell> except for a total timeout, which sdaftuar notes is detected in 0.15
21:25 < praxeology> hm, well if the time of his last block is really old... or if the peer he is asking has a different tip...
21:25 < gmaxwell> praxeology: different tip than what
21:26 < praxeology> if your own node has a different tip than the one you are requesting the latest headers from
21:26 < gmaxwell> praxeology: of course its different or fetching headers from it was pointless...
21:26 < praxeology> like, their tip is in a different chain or behind or something
21:27 < praxeology> bah ok you right
21:27 < sdaftuar> you don't request headers from a peer who is on a less-work chain than your tip
21:27 < gmaxwell> And any countermeasure has to not do things like terminate a long header sync from a valid peer just because it's a lot of data... otherwise a newly syncing node could get stuck if it's link was too low in bandwidth.
21:28 < sdaftuar> actually, i said that wrong.  you don't request blocks from such a peer 
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21:30 < gmaxwell> praxeology: there are a bunch of places we could improve responsiveness by punting less helpful peers, but such rules require just a lot of care because false positives are potententially severe attack vectors.
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21:35 < praxeology> alright... well, its unfortunate I misdiagnosed the guy's issue.  Thanks for the help.  Hopefully he will come back and ask again on #bitcoin and one of sees him... for his sake... before he -reindex
21:36 < gmaxwell> it's also important to not let malicious peers cause users to get any kind of error to the greatest extent that we can avoid it.
21:37 < gmaxwell> because unfortunately any warning you show users will cause a small percentage of them to jump off bridges.
21:38 < gmaxwell> "I saw a warning that wouldn't go away so I deleted my wallet, and now I still have the warning and where are my bitcoins?"
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21:46 < mryandao> LOL     
21:48 < gmaxwell> not really funny though. :(
21:48 < gmaxwell> it's not like people are stupid, first they try all the things they think are reasonable, then they try other things...
21:49 < gmaxwell> and with enough users, someone is going to think they should try sawing off their hands or whatever.
21:49 < Emcy_> throwing your wallet in a lake isnt reasonable
21:49 < mryandao> i can't connect the dots between deleting wallet.dat and addressing the problem.
21:50 < gmaxwell> mryandao: because it's state that could be causing the error. 
21:50 < gmaxwell> Emcy_: but they saved the addresses first!
21:50 < gmaxwell> you and I know that doesn't help, but it's not exactly obvious
21:50 < Emcy_> it was even called "wallet" as a kind of linguistic skeumorph to get people to understand what it is
21:50 < mryandao> hmm, this sounds like motivation to decouple key from wallet.dat?
21:51 < mryandao> so at least even if wallet.dat was removed out of a panic attack, at least keys is still somewhere safe?
21:52 < Emcy_> youre right about explaining pubkey crypto to normies though oh boy
21:52 < gmaxwell> well we've talked before about writing wallet backup files periodically but there is a counter argument that doing so will make it more likely for users to get their wallets stolen. e.g. clear wallet off a disk before giving it to someone else...
21:55 < Emcy_> i meant to ask why the default datadir on windows in is the domain roaming profile folder, actually, instead of the local profile
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21:55 < Emcy_> since the subject came up
21:57 < praxeology> does bitcoin still use windows registry?
21:58 < praxeology> windows configuration/file system usage needs a rework :p
21:59 < praxeology> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Bitcoin\Bitcoin-Qt
22:00 < praxeology> Not that I am actually making demands for your time, sorry.  Have a good night!
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22:17 < sipa> praxeology: why?
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22:59 < goatpig> isn't that just the URI registration?
23:00 < praxeology> windows registry is not very compatible with multiple installations in use on the same OS
23:02 < praxeology> magic hidden settings that one wouldn't know to move to a new system
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