--- Day changed Tue Aug 29 2017 00:03 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:06 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:10 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:14 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.7.1] 00:14 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:19 < wumpus> rc3 binaries up https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.15.0/test.rc3/ https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.15.0/test.rc3/ 00:36 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] grzegorzblaszczyk opened pull request #11188: FIX: typo in Polish "Unknown..." => "Nieznane..." (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11188 00:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11188: FIX: typo in Polish "Unknown..." => "Nieznane..." (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11188 01:06 -!- gitju [~gitju@5.230.145.49] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:07 < wumpus> luke-jr: also I'd hope libevent-based P2P is really coming for 0.16 01:13 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:19 < luke-jr> wumpus: right, but we'd hoped that for 0.14 (0.13?) as well 01:19 < luke-jr> I agree nobody probably really cares about building without libevent tho :p 01:19 < luke-jr> even the person asking me to make it available in Core, didn't want to uninstall libevent to test a patch 01:21 -!- alxlu [~alxlu@138.68.58.104] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:26 -!- Justyn [~Justyn@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:28 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:31 < wumpus> yes, let's hope a bit more in the direcction of cfields :) 01:32 < wumpus> heh 01:37 < wumpus> btw thanks fanquake achow101 meshcollider for being so quick to do gitian builds (and cfields for uploading the sigs quickly), we're getting really fast at doing rcs/releases :) 01:39 < luke-jr> does that mean we should up the sig requirement to 5 signers? :p 01:39 < wumpus> would make sense to do that for final releases 01:40 -!- goatpig [56f75436@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.247.84.54] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/91e49c51f1ae...a90e6d2bffc4 01:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4f2905b Cristian Mircea Messel: Add getmininginfo functional test 01:40 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a90e6d2 MarcoFalke: Merge #11150: [tests] Add getmininginfo test... 01:40 < MarcoFalke> Hope I set up my new fedora box by then :) 01:41 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11150: [tests] Add getmininginfo test (master...test_rpc_getmininginfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11150 01:41 < wumpus> gititan on fedora, always up for a challenge eh 01:41 < luke-jr> that sounds easy enough 01:41 < luke-jr> I'm more curious how much trouble it will be to do gitian on Talos 01:41 < wumpus> easier than on gentoo? 01:42 < luke-jr> dunno, depends on Fedora having dependencies 01:42 < MarcoFalke> It shouldn't be a problem. I am still waiting on the package, though. 01:42 < luke-jr> particularly vmbuilder 01:42 < luke-jr> which afaict is Ubuntu home-grown 01:42 < wumpus> so are Talos' actually for sale already? 01:43 < luke-jr> wumpus: preorder :x 01:43 < wumpus> oh still :x 01:43 < luke-jr> https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ 01:43 < wumpus> vmbuilder should be reasonably easy to build from source IIRC 01:43 < luke-jr> upgraded since the Talos "1" that never happened 01:46 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:46 < wumpus> "Expected to ship Q4 2017" 01:46 < wumpus> once they actually ship something I might 01:49 < luke-jr> IIRC they're saying they might not do a second batch. ☹ 01:50 < wumpus> bleh, if not, I wouldn't really feel comfortable owning it in the first place, will be impossible to get either hardware or software support for a one-off product 01:51 -!- testianer [56207978@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.32.121.120] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53 < luke-jr> at least the CPU isn't one-off :p 01:54 < luke-jr> I suppose if it's successful, there will probably be another one-off next-gen in 5 years or so 01:58 < wumpus> I'll just keep waiting for a reasonably fast RiscV board, heck even if only on par with current ARM SoC would be enough to do *something*, especially with a bunch of them 01:58 < wumpus> you get your gitian result 2 week late but at least it was built on secure hw :P 02:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:11 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzlvvkltahyupnxe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:15 < luke-jr> ME neutering seems to make good progress otoh 02:15 < wumpus> their last update is so sad https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/the-state-of-owner-controlled-computing-as-talos-winds-down 02:34 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 02:50 -!- Gunnie [~kamk@2.82.cust.tetanet.cz] has quit [Quit: My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:59 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25 -!- gitju [~gitju@5.230.145.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:45 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:46 -!- Justyn [~Justyn@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11190: [tests] Remove unused imports (script.OP_0 and script.sha256) (master...remove-unused-import-op_0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11190 04:38 -!- randy-waterhouse [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/randy-waterhouse] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:00 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hujjtzrsbviosuvn] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:05 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 05:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AkioNak opened pull request #11191: RPC: Improve help text and behavior of RPC-logging. (master...fix_rpc_logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11191 05:21 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:24 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:25 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:30 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:31 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:31 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:32 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:51 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:13 -!- Gunnie [~kamk@2.82.cust.tetanet.cz] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:18 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:21 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@184.75.213.132] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:30 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:33 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:38 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:42 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:44 < jnewbery> Anyone know who controls the @bitcoincoreorg twitter handle? Is this true: https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/902304153195737089 ? 06:46 < instagibbs> jnewbery, a number of folks I think, including btcdrak 06:48 < jnewbery> btcdrak - is @bitcoincoreorg blocking people? If so, why? Seems counter to an open development culture 06:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@184.75.213.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:03 -!- duringo [4cbd47d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.189.71.216] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:03 < btcdrak> jnewbery: Jeff isnt blocked anymore. It was a relic from a long time ago. 07:04 < jnewbery> thanks btcdrak 07:13 -!- Provoostenator [~textual@54693D0F.cm-12-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:17 -!- ula [~kvirc@b2b-78-94-11-194.unitymedia.biz] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:22 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:22 -!- Austindoggie [~austindog@2601:647:ca80:1f82:b4ef:882c:ff3:54cb] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:23 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@2001:558:600a:c8:c0a:3125:2083:ad3b] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:31 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:34 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:34 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:37 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:40 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@2001:558:600a:c8:c0a:3125:2083:ad3b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:49 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:56 -!- riemann [~riemann@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:02 -!- bytting [~corebob@2a02:fe0:c150:1a00:8958:6277:6ca3:b2cf] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:03 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:05 -!- Austindoggie_ [~austindog@2600:380:872d:c18f:f1b0:71e2:bba2:b77c] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:05 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@184.75.213.132] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:09 -!- Austindoggie [~austindog@2601:647:ca80:1f82:b4ef:882c:ff3:54cb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 08:12 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:17 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:20 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:23 -!- jr2014 [~dev@120.6.172.29] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:28 < instagibbs> "// The mining code doesn't (currently) take children into 08:28 < instagibbs> // account (CPFP)" 08:28 < instagibbs> this isn't true anymore, right? 08:29 -!- Austindoggie_ [~austindog@2600:380:872d:c18f:f1b0:71e2:bba2:b77c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:33 -!- Provoostenator [~textual@54693D0F.cm-12-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 08:34 -!- jr2014 [~dev@120.6.172.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:36 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:37 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38 < jnewbery> correct - mining codes looks at packages of transactions 08:40 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hujjtzrsbviosuvn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:46 < instagibbs> should this commit be revisited in light of that? fc8c19a07c20ab63f6a69f7494f486204d8f2b7a 09:03 -!- bytting [~corebob@2a02:fe0:c150:1a00:8958:6277:6ca3:b2cf] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 09:04 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:12 -!- ula [~kvirc@b2b-78-94-11-194.unitymedia.biz] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:17 -!- cencen [67d580f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.213.128.244] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:17 < cencen> voila... bitcoin price is up! 09:19 -!- Yogaqueef [~textual@dsl-hkibng42-5673c3-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:20 < cencen> hello, Yogaqueef 09:21 -!- cencen [67d580f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.103.213.128.244] has quit [Client Quit] 09:23 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:24 < Lauda> cencen wrong channel 09:27 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:34 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@184.75.213.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- jimmysong_ [~Jimmy@23-112-39-203.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:40 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41 -!- jimmysong [~Jimmy@23-112-39-203.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:42 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:42 -!- lightningbot [~supybot@2400:8901::f03c:91ff:febb:bbc1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:42 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:5b5:ae6b:28d7:5a7e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:43 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:57 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:59 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:01 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:01 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 10:05 < kanzure> "Can't read block from disk" is probably stale block? 10:09 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:5b5:ae6b:28d7:5a7e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:12 < sdaftuar> kanzure: i don't think stale blocks would trigger that in general -- just disk corruption or pruning i think. 10:12 < jnewbery> instagibbs: bitcoind wallet doesn't allow fees to be bumped for transaction that have descendants in the wallet or mempool, so in practice I don't think it's much of an issue. sdaftuar would be the man to ask 10:12 < kanzure> sdaftuar: if no pruning enabled then it would have to be disk corruption ya? 10:13 < sdaftuar> kanzure: i think so. only other case i can think of is if you upgraded a pre-segwit node after segwit activated, triggering the rewindblockindex code. i assume that's not something you did? 10:13 < kanzure> testnet node in this case 10:14 < kanzure> no recent upgrade 10:15 < sdaftuar> then yeah disk corruption sounds like the culprit 10:15 < kanzure> is it terribly unhealthy to do fast bitcoind kills in succession and will that cause disk corruption 10:17 < sipa> what kind of hardware? 10:17 < kanzure> embarrassing 10:19 < kanzure> is there an easy way to fix this? delete latest block file somewhere? 10:20 < sipa> nope 10:21 < sdaftuar> kanzure: restore from your last backup? 10:21 < sipa> sorry, the block files are needed to even rewind the utxo set 10:22 < kanzure> other than restore, what is the hard way? 10:22 < sdaftuar> restart with -reindex 10:23 < kanzure> oh that's doable 10:23 < sdaftuar> did you get that error in response to an rpc call? 10:23 < kanzure> getblock 10:23 < kanzure> getblock 00000000000006dc84fa41a1cffa2f0a3c541f2a8247e3f8159ee9d91fe720c6 10:26 < kanzure> 2017-08-29 17:25:07 ERROR: ReadBlockFromDisk: Errors in block header at CBlockDiskPos(nFile=77, nPos=109816002) 10:26 < sdaftuar> ouch 10:27 < sdaftuar> oh that's a pretty recent file at least 10:27 < kanzure> well i am getting the error in a loop, if you refer to the timestamp, heh 10:27 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 < sdaftuar> i think -reindex is the way to go 10:28 < kanzure> great thank you 10:28 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:f1ea:f471:77b5:5d0e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:30 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:f1ea:f471:77b5:5d0e] has quit [Client Quit] 10:30 < sdaftuar> instagibbs: jnewbery: yeah i think that code could be revisited now that the mining algorithm is better. i don't think there's any real DoS potential there, but i think there's room to be more conservative to ensure that miner income is being maximized. 10:31 -!- promag [~Adium@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:31 < sdaftuar> instagibbs: probably the easiest thing to do would be to add one more check, that the ancestor feerate of the new transaction is higher than that of all the transactions being replaced. 10:32 < sdaftuar> and maybe we could loosen the requirement that all the new inputs already be confirmed 10:35 -!- promag [~Adium@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 10:38 -!- duringo [4cbd47d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.189.71.216] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41 -!- duringo [c43523ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.196.53.35.238] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:46 < instagibbs> ok, not knowledgeable enough to really dive into improvements, was having a discussion that revolved around bip125/Core design of replacement 10:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has quit [Changing host] 10:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:50 < ryanofsky> kallewoof, if you want to post your overshoot/undershoot code somewhere, I could combine it with #10443 and test it with data going back to july 10:56 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:59 < gmaxwell> Can someone who understands twitter better explain to me what blocking someone does there... what would blocking someone on the bitcoin core account accomplish? 11:02 < instagibbs> it's an annoying feature tbh, all it does is stop a logged in account that is blocked from seeing messages and/or pinging notifications 11:02 < instagibbs> which is easily routed by just loading twitter not logged in... 11:03 < gmaxwell> Then why would any role account (like bitcoincoreorg) ever block anyone? Seems like all it would do is create offense for no gain. 11:03 < instagibbs> Perhaps to sift through mentions easier, although muting does this, and doesn't offend 11:04 < instagibbs> muting is just so you don't "hear" about that person talking about your account, or see their tweets when people RT them 11:06 < instagibbs> I think a policy of "only muting" is totally appropriate, regardless of motivations 11:08 < gmaxwell> I suppose it may have the effect of lowering the incidence of crap posting your announcements, but just causing them to not see them more often. 11:08 < gmaxwell> But otherwise it seems completely useless. 11:09 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:18 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11193: Terminate string *pszExePath after readlink and before passing to operator << (master...null-terminate-after-readlink) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11193 11:18 < jnewbery> I *think* blocking would also prevent the blocked party from replying to your tweets, so other people won't see their crap. So I think it is appropriate to block pure trolls/impersonators. 11:19 < gmaxwell> If it blocks replies then is serves a real purpose. 11:19 < gmaxwell> So, lets assume for a moment that we do that. 11:20 < gmaxwell> We put announcements of new releases out on twitter, if there is an account that constatly replies the the announcements with offtopic fudding than then diverts the replies into noise arguing with the... I think blocking them would be appropriate. 11:20 < gmaxwell> (arguing with them) 11:21 < gmaxwell> People doing that, incidentally, was one of the reasons I wasn't super excited about the project having a twitter account to begin with. 11:21 < luke-jr> yes, Twitter blocks prevent replies, which is why I actually block people on it (typically I don't) 11:22 < luke-jr> (personally) 11:22 < gmaxwell> You can actually see jgarzik going into offtopic conspiracy fud stuff in his response to morcos too, ... :( 11:26 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 11:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #10882: [Do not merge] Stop advancing best block and shutdown node if keypool drops below critical threshold (master...keypool_topup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10882 11:31 < jnewbery> yes, all a bit disappointing (and totally unnecessary). I think the twitter account is fine and useful if it's used purely to push technical information about the project. And I agree that blocking blatant trolls is totally appropriate. 11:31 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-79-182-160-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:38 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38 -!- Veseli_Zagorec [~Veseli_Za@dh207-71-117.xnet.hr] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:39 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:44 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:44 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:47 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:59 -!- niska [~niska@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:03 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:04 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 12:04 -!- niska [~niska@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:06 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:10 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:10 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #11194: fees: optimize decay (master...speedup-movingaverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11194 12:17 -!- duringo [c43523ee@gateway/web/freenode/ip.196.53.35.238] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17 < cfields> morcos: ^^ the quick speedup I forgot to push last week 12:36 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:37 < gmaxwell> cfields: tip: try to make the oneline git summaries maximally useful, "optimize decay" is a little opaque, e.g. it coudl mean making the esimator more accurate by changing the delay constants. 12:37 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:37 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:38 < cfields> gmaxwell: ack 12:38 < gmaxwell> cfields: aside. have you caonsidered branch that skips decay processing when there is no data? 12:40 < cfields> gmaxwell: see pr description. I figured morcos/sdaftuar would know immediately where to stick that, so I didn't look too hard. i wasn't satisfied that my quick hack wouldn't break something. 12:40 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:40 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:42 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Client Quit] 12:43 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:43 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@c-67-185-216-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:49 -!- Mohamed [~Mohamed@207.244.100.145] has quit [] 12:53 -!- Veseli_Zagorec [~Veseli_Za@dh207-71-117.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:01 < cfields> gmaxwell: on a different note, do you happen to have any fun simulation, or even live node that would be good for stress-testing high connection counts? 13:02 < cfields> I'm finally happy enough with the functionality of these libevent changes. Been working well locally for the past few days 13:03 < cfields> It doesn't show much benefit here, but I'm assuming it will be much more obvious with a few hundred peers 13:04 < sipa> cfields: i believe sdaftuar or morcos have a replay-network-traffic simulation 13:04 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05 < cfields> sipa: ooh, good thinking 13:05 < sdaftuar> sipa: cfields: i don't actually... 13:05 < cfields> sipa: back to your corner. 13:05 < sdaftuar> my replay network traffic simulation mocks out the network to test the rest of bitcoind 13:06 < cfields> ah 13:07 < sdaftuar> i suppose we could build a simulator that plays back historical data via p2p 13:07 < gmaxwell> cfields: I don't really, unfortunately, not much more than your prior fuzztester. 13:07 < cfields> hmm, i guess something as dumb as ~500 peers sending over-sized (1mb or so) pings might cut it 13:10 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:10 < cfields> sdaftuar: that could be helpful. I'll think on it. 13:21 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:26 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:30 -!- cheese_ [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:33 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:34 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:38 -!- amosbird [~amosbird@123.206.66.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:38 -!- amosbird [~amosbird@123.206.66.49] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:46 -!- Yogaqueef [~textual@dsl-hkibng42-5673c3-32.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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My guess is it's also a pain to come up with an upgrade mechanism as well. 14:55 < esotericnonsense> it already works, 5.x can use 4.8 wallets but not vice versa 14:57 < esotericnonsense> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6253 found this at least. 14:58 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:59 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:02 -!- cheese_ [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:06 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:18 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@c-67-185-216-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@c-67-185-216-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:20 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkwpydimuxhfbipl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:30 -!- vicenteH [~user@13.232.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@c-67-185-216-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48 -!- treebeardd [~treebeard@c-67-185-216-208.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:00 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 16:05 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:10 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:14 -!- goatpig [56f75436@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.247.84.54] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:15 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@d14-69-83-226.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:16 -!- RoyceX [~Cheeseo@unaffiliated/cheeseo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18 -!- promag [~Adium@2001:8a0:fe30:de01:e051:48d0:5f1c:b78e] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21 < goatpig> achow101: pushed binaries for 0.96.2 16:21 < goatpig> woops 16:26 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@d14-69-83-226.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42 < achow101> can someone help me figure out what is wrong with https://github.com/achow101/bitcoin/tree/split-signraw-broken? That's my in progress rebase and comment addressing of #10579 16:42 < achow101> I'm having some assertlockheld problem 16:44 -!- unholymachine [~quassel@2601:8c:c003:9f16:2d22:5c2:5e4:80d9] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:44 < meshcollider> compiler error? 16:45 -!- unholymachine [~quassel@2601:8c:c003:9f16:b5c2:f701:9fb:1fb2] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:49 < achow101> no, it fails tests with an assertion error about assertlockheld failing 16:49 < achow101> maybe I should try it normally first 16:50 < achow101> actually nvm. I didn't make clean so an earlier broken version was the problem 16:55 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:57 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:01 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@unaffiliated/praxeology] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:02 -!- jonasschnelli [~jonasschn@unaffiliated/jonasschnelli] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:03 -!- jonasschnelli [~jonasschn@bitcoinsrv.jonasschnelli.ch] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:08 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@d14-69-83-226.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:14 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@d14-69-83-226.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:15 < btcdrak> re Twitter. blocking does prevent blocked person from replying which is useful against impersonation and obvious accounts. agree it is unproductive to block high profile trolls tho. anyway there are no blocks now. was a hangover from when we started and the account was being targetted last year. 17:17 < gmaxwell> btcdrak: thanks, yea, it's really problematic when anything we post gets immediately knocked offtopic by trolling. (just like jeff did with morcos' reply about the compaint; veering straight into hardfork conspiracy theories) 17:18 < gmaxwell> I think if they continue to do things like that we should just keep records of it and block them when its clearly gone on too far. And if they complain we can just post summaries of their abusive and unprofessional behavior. 17:19 < btcdrak> we can keep screenshots of trolling that could eventually justify action, maybe. at least it would be empirical 17:19 < gmaxwell> I think our project has already suffered to much from having our ability to communicate supressed by trolling; but I think we can behave above reproach without allowing too much abuse. 17:20 < btcdrak> gmaxwell: agreed. it is a learning process. 17:20 < btcdrak> I think we arent doing terribly, but always room to improve. :) 17:21 < gmaxwell> The complaint about being blocked is basically depending on a false comparison. Lets imagine we were unconditionally unable to block. Then we could count on every announcement we put up immediately being flooded with smearing, and we'd simply stop tweeting entirely. Could anyone argue that a twitter account which never tweets is superior to one that has blocked people but get used. 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