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00:13 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10873: Use a condition variable for shutdown notifications (master...shutdown_notify) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10873
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00:23 < meshcollider> It seems 10873 is a candidate to be the first PR with the new abandoned tag MarcoFalke created ^
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00:27 < wumpus> good idea, added
00:36 < mryandao> how about taking the differential of transactions that pay a feerate greater than the min-feerate of the next block as described by `getblocktemplate`
00:37 < mryandao> it should be meaningful to see the rate of incoming transaction "overtaking" transactions that should be confirmed in the following block
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00:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] SwaddleDoddle opened pull request #11681: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11681
01:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11681: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11681
01:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11682: wallet: Simplify logic in CCryptoKeyStore::AddKeyPubKey(...) (master...CCryptoKeyStore-AddKeyPubKey) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11682
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01:19 < meshcollider> Anyone wanna review https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/464 so it can be merged soon?
01:19 < meshcollider> (0.15.1 release announcement on bitcoincore.org)
01:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11683: tests: Remove unused mininode functions deser_int_vector(f) and ser_int_vector(l) (master...remove-int-vector-serialization) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11683
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01:22 < wumpus> meshcollider: will do
01:22 < meshcollider> wumpus: thanks
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01:37 < wumpus> I don't think anyone will mind if I merge it?
01:39 < meshcollider> Shouldn't do, ACKs from both you and bluematt and its basically just a c+p of the release notes so its not exactly controversial :P
01:39 < wumpus> and it's about time too
01:40 < meshcollider> Still not as delayed as 15.0.1 was lol
01:40 < wumpus> hehe, no not that delayed
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01:46 < promag> wdyt about changing this "if (request.fHelp || request.params.size() > 2)" to "if (request.fHelp)" ? 
01:47 < wumpus> NACK, that would make it ignore spurious arguments
01:47 < wumpus> which should be an error
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01:49 < promag> what I mean is to show help only when requested. Then have argument validation which should validate all arguments, so arguments with no validation should raise invalid parameter too
01:50 < promag> or we could keep "if (request.params.size() > 2)" but that would raise invalid argument
01:51 < promag> the help is mainly for the command line cli right?
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02:03 < wumpus> maybe, I really doubt this is worth changing all RPC calls for
02:04 < wumpus> I mean barfing up the help in case of confusion about the number of arguments is consistent with what a lot of command line tools do, it's not wrong or such
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02:07 < wumpus> at least we don't silently ignore spurious RPC arguments, unlike spurious command line options, which don't cause an error
02:07 < wumpus> that's a much worse user experience
02:08 < wumpus> type poxy instead of proxy and it doesn't even warn
02:10 < promag> wumpus: ok
02:10 < promag> but in some cases, if you pass options with extra keys, it won't complaint
02:10 < wumpus> it should
02:10 < wumpus> well maybe except nested structures
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02:11 < promag> and if the caller makes it lower case or snake case instead of pascal case, it won't complaint
02:11 < wumpus> I mean, it doesn't hurt to provide more information about a vout for createrawtransaction than it strictly needs
02:11 < wumpus> this helps pass in the output from listunspents to it without filtering
02:13 < promag> you mean for vin
02:13 < wumpus> yes     
02:13 < wumpus> so let's just keep it like that
02:13 < promag> anyway, really doubt that anyone does that copy and paste :)
02:14 < meshcollider> oh wumpus, maybe your key is not trusted when merging bitcoincore.org PRs
02:14 < meshcollider> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/blob/master/contrib/verify-commits/trusted-keys
02:14 < wumpus> promag: they do
02:14 < promag> :o     
02:14 < wumpus> especially if it's used from scripts
02:15 < promag> I suppose everyone should pick the relevant fields :D
02:15 < wumpus> anyhow, please let's not change the RPC API just to change the RPC API, but focus on features, bugfixes and user experience
02:15 < meshcollider> Agree ^
02:15 < promag> np!     
02:16 < wumpus> meshcollider: uh oh
02:17 < wumpus> meshcollider: I should probably force-push back to the previous state then
02:18 < wumpus> meshcollider: only one of the trusted keys can add me as trusted key, and not on top of an invalid commit
02:19 < meshcollider> wumpus: mhm yeah, in any case you should be added as a trusted key but yeah we might have to wait for jonasschnelli
02:19 < wumpus> luckily it doesn't break the site itself, just blocks updates for now
02:20 < meshcollider> yep, was wondering why it hadn't gone live so I looked around and noticed
02:22 < wumpus> right - I'm not going to do anything, one of the signers can resolve this, either by adding a merge commit on top , or re-sigining the merge commit and force-pushing
02:23 < wumpus> if they agree with the change of course :-)
02:26 < meshcollider> Sounds good
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03:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7adeea3b0fc2...6d4821b693b2
03:59 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8ac893 practicalswift: trivial: Fix typo – "Ubutntu" → "Ubuntu"
04:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6d4821b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11684: trivial: Fix typo – "Ubutntu" → "Ubuntu"...
04:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11684: trivial: Fix typo – "Ubutntu" → "Ubuntu" (master...ubutntu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11684
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07:03 < BlueMatt> wumpus: heh, well jonasschnelli or harding_ could un-brick it by adding a merge commit on top that merges from before your merge :p
07:03 < BlueMatt> we've dont that before....comically dirty hack
07:03 < BlueMatt> but it appears to work
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07:05 < BlueMatt> or someone can go poke the server, but prefer not to....will follow up if no one does it in an hour or so
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08:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11682: wallet: Simplify logic in CCryptoKeyStore::AddKeyPubKey(...) (master...CCryptoKeyStore-AddKeyPubKey) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11682
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09:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11686: Make ISSUE_TEMPLATE a bit shorter, mention hardware tests (master...2017-11-shorter-default-issue) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11686
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12:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #11687: External wallet files (master...pr/wfile) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11687
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13:26 < Nobody_> Hello
13:26 < Nobody_> i am Nobody, and i own the system
13:27 < Nobody_> i just wanted to state that i am requesting as a System that nobody owns and if you abuse the system you abuse yourself some upgrades that need to happen for the Bitcoin Core
13:28 < Nobody_> If anybody could get a message to the Bitcoin Core Developers to add the Mining back into the Core that would be perfect, ASIC is not needed to mine and is outdated plus not as power efficient
13:28 < Nobody_> also a Faucet in the core is needed for Nobody to send Bitcoin to the requested wallet of your choice, for reasons if it is not avaliable from anyone else the system will continue to function appropriately.
13:29 < Nobody_> Nobody should be able to have wallets that can be loaded with and share Cryptocurrency back if requested and users should be able to put Cryptocurrency into the faucet if they do not need it
13:30 < LumberCartel> Nobody_:  You should raise your concerns in the #bitcoin channel rather than in this channel.
13:30 < Nobody_> it will bring Freedom and Equality for all users and not be so dominant on switching cash for cashless, i work with Antarctica and have researched the software very hard, Satoshi Nakamoto knows who i am but i will leave me Nobody
13:31 < Nobody_> it is more than a concern and i deem it nessessary to update it to make sure that everyone can enjoy the Cryptocurrency
13:32 < Nobody_> I already have a version that has a faucet and it is sufficient, as well as for the common good of the public and passes for being benificial for the greater good of humanity
13:33 < Dizzle> Nobody_: if you do have something more power efficient than ASIC for mining, you can submit a pull request that adds mining back into Core. If you're not sure how, let me know how its done and I'll help make the pull request.
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13:39 < Nobody_> S.O.S, Law Enforcement Update - Everything is legal
13:39 < Nobody_> Everything  ECDSA Public Key (Bitcoin Compatible):  1N2EWy7LroJVFYXtmYZryh7W9eV3k6qajd exists since Mon Oct 02 2017 23:48:19 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
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13:39 < Nobody_> that is a Trusted timestamp and is forge proof
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13:57 < Dizzle> I still want his quantum CPU mining pull request.
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14:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11689: Fix missing locking in CTxMemPool::check(const CCoinsViewCache *pcoins) (master...CTxMemPool-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11689
14:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6d4821b693b2...3bdf242fc68a
14:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fafdad0 MarcoFalke: qa: Remove unused NodeConn members
14:46 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3bdf242 MarcoFalke: Merge #11677: qa: Remove unused NodeConn members...
14:46 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11677: qa: Remove unused NodeConn members (master...Mf1711-qaMininodeUnused) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11677
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15:25 < karelb> Question about bitcoin-core - why is validation.h/.cpp so "overloaded"? It seems to me half of the things in there don't have to do much with validation
15:26 < karelb> such as default parameters, opening and writing to block files, etc
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15:30 < sipa> karelb: the reason is that up to about a year ago maybe, validation.cpp and net_processing.cpp were one file, called main.cpp
15:30 < sipa> splitting things up and off into other modules is a slow but continuing work that's certainly not complete yet
15:30 < karelb> Oh yeah, I thought it will be something historic like that
15:31 < karelb> I remember giant main.cpp, I suspected validation is "just" renamed main
15:31 < karelb> thanks!
15:31 < sipa> (and until a few years ago, main.cpp also contained all of chain management, utxo stuff, wallet, interaction with the GUI...)
15:33 < karelb> hm, doing refactoring like that seems like an easy way to get some cheap commits in bitcoin core code :D
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15:36 < gmaxwell> karelb: it's not just renamed main, main was split basically in half, but there is still hangover.  Also some of these things like consensus parameters are critical to consensus validation.
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15:37 < gmaxwell> There is some layout tension on that; abstracting consensus rules can make them more opaque and harder to review; and bitcoin core is not an altcoin construction set. :)  OTOH, sometimes moving things around makes things more clear, enables better testing harnesses, etc.
15:38 < fanquake> karelb heh, there are easier ways to get cheap commits than playing with consensus code
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15:39 < karelb> fanquake I know, I have this giant commit
15:39 < karelb> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/06a3aecf06a52ff44370ee20462cc45b25e88d6a
15:39 < gmaxwell> karelb: yea,.lol no, refactoring consensus code is a good way to have a bad time and decide you don't want to contribute more.
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15:41 < fanquake> karelb All contributions are valuable. Most people might find "issues" and never bother contribute a pr, or open an issue.
15:43 < gmaxwell> For obvious refactorings e.g. to meet our current code standards, we prefer to only perform them when the code is already being changed to avoid disrupting PR flow.  For non-obvious refactors it is better if only expirenced participants do them, because newer contribs tend to not understand the informal architecture as well and tend to make refactors that unconsciously try to warp thing more to 
15:43 < gmaxwell> their own personal styles instead of the project style.  Consensus code in general has a higher review and testing bar, and is more likely to end up with people failing to review it because they don't think it meets a cost/benefit for the review.  Sometimes refactorings of consensus code only happen because someone like pieter is effectively cashing in large amounts of social capital to pay for 
15:43 < gmaxwell> other people to review the work-- and the fact that this is whats happening isn't necessarily visible to irregular contributors.   So while anyone is welcome to submit such things, I wouldn't recommend those in particular, and anyone who submits consensus refactors should have reasonable expectations.
15:44 < fanquake> Now that the *new* Windows build instructions have been merged, I'm going to close all the existing windows build issues, hopefully we might get on top of them. However now it seems the there are just new path/directory related issues.
15:47 < fanquake> gmaxwell yes, hit and run consensus refactoring isn't really helpful.
15:47 < karelb> gmaxwell: OK, I will not make a PR that pulls out all `DEFAULT_`s from validation.h to defaults.h then. :)
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18:19 < Tatty> I think I found an outdated version User Agent on Bitcoin Core 64 bit for Windows v0.15.0.1.  I enabled 2 tor proxies, both making bidirectional connections. It happened one of the proxies contacted the other, and that's when I saw a wrong version: User Agent /Satoshi:0.14.0/
18:20 < sipa> why is that wrong?
18:21 < Tatty> I am sure because I recognize the Hidden Service, of the income connection, it is mine
18:21 < gmaxwell> Tatty: what reason do you have to believe it wasn't some other node connecting to you.
18:21 < sipa> you can't know where an hidden service connection is coming from
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18:21 < gmaxwell> 0.15.0.1 gives a correct useragent, so either that connection wasn't from you or you're not running what you think you are. :)
18:22 < Tatty> it says on top via and then my hidden service
18:26 < Tatty> is it possible the user agent is only wrong one one of them when using 2 tor proxies?
18:26 < Tatty> and I am sorry for insisting
18:26 < sipa> what do you mean by 2 tor proxies?
18:26 < sipa> you can only configure oe
18:26 < sipa> one     
18:27 < Tatty> I run 2 different ptor proxies as allowed by Bitcoin Core 0.15.0.1
18:28 < sipa> what's your configuration like?
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18:28 < Tatty> no, I have 2 configured, running and one connecting to the other as I can only set 1 externalip=
18:29 < sipa> i have no idea what you mean by that
18:29 < sipa> can you paste your config somewhere?
18:31 < Tatty> I try
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18:50 < Tatty> https://ibb.co/dqtWyR https://ibb.co/kX50sm
18:51 < Tatty> screenshots
18:51 < sipa> that means some Tor peer connected to you via Tor
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18:52 < sipa> using that ou26n... address (which is *your* onion address, not theirs)
18:52 < Tatty> YES!
18:52 < sipa> and *they* have user agent 0.14.0
18:52 < Tatty> it is my hidden service
18:52 < sipa> i know
18:52 < sipa> but that address is the onion address they are connecting TO
18:52 < sipa> i.e., yours
18:53 < Tatty> no, they are conecting to the seconf one, managed by bitcoin-qt
18:53 < sipa> that's not what it says
18:54 < sipa> all i can see is an external peer connecting to you
18:54 < Tatty> right
18:55 < Tatty> I know it connected to the 2nd tor proxy
18:55 < Tatty> by those phictures you can't know
18:55 < sipa> then i can't help you
18:55 < sipa> everything you're showing me just says there is some external peer running 0.14 that is connecting to you over tor
18:56 < Tatty> do you really want me to post unsafe tor logs?
18:56 < sipa> no     
18:56 < sipa> i want you to explain me why you think my theory is wrong
18:57 < Tatty> because I know the hidden service on that picture in unkown to tor proxy #2
18:58 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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18:58 < Tatty> and you see  a incoming connection via that hidden service
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18:59 < sipa> what do you mean by tor proxy 2
19:00 < Tatty> ok, someone might be having some fun announcing my hidden service as being theirs, but the simplest solution is that tor proxy 1 contacted tor proxy 2 
19:00 < sipa> what do you mean by tor proxy 1 and tor proxy 2
19:01 < Tatty> check the second picture, the one set for port 9150 instead of 9050
19:02 < sipa> are those screenshots from the same client?
19:02 < Tatty> https://ibb.co/kX50sm proxy on top = proxy 1, the other is proxy 2
19:03 < Tatty> yes they are Ionly have this one
19:03 < sipa> those settings are irrelevant
19:03 < Tatty> and I never used any version prior to this
19:03 < sipa> they're about outgoing connections
19:04 < sipa> the peer screenshot is about an incoming connection
19:04 < Tatty> correct
19:04 < sipa> so i don't understand what the problem is
19:05 < sipa> a random other peer on the internet connected to you over tor
19:05 < sipa> those two proxy settings are not relevant
19:05 < Tatty> incomming to the hidden service created by Bitcoin Core on tor proxy 2
19:05 < Tatty> ok, I give up.
19:06 < sipa> ok?     
19:06 < Tatty> sorry for taking your time
19:06 < sipa> why is that not possible?
19:07 < sipa> your bitcoin client rumours its addresses to other peers, including onion addresses if it knows th
19:07 < sipa> some peer saw yours, and connected to you
19:08 < Tatty> sipa, I can't make you understand
19:08 < Tatty> one of my peers conected to one of my peers with the wrong User Agent
19:08 < Tatty> putting it simple that is what happens
19:08 < sipa> i see no evidence of that
19:09 < Tatty> you keep telling me this setting doesn't work, but it does work
19:09 < sipa> no, i'm saying this setting is not relevant
19:09 < Tatty> proxy 1 doesn't accept any incoming connection as it doesn't have any hidden service
19:09 < Tatty> only the second does and it is Bitcoin Core who creates it
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19:09 < sipa> ok     
19:10 < Tatty> now you say that is not possible
19:10 < sipa> no, i'm saying that you're seeing an incoming connection
19:10 < sipa> the settings you're showing me only affect outgoing connections
19:11 < Tatty> proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 listen=1 bind=127.0.0.1 proxyrandomize=1 externalip=ou26nyghcyiwrecx.onion
19:11 < Tatty> is this what you needed?
19:11 < sipa> so, you configured your external address as ou26...
19:12 < sipa> your bitcoin node rumoured that address around
19:12 < sipa> and someone is connecting to it
19:12 < sipa> the proxy setting does not matter, it changes how outgoing connections are made
19:13 < Tatty> I see yur point
19:13 < Tatty> Iam advertising a hidden service on the wrong tor proxy
19:14 < sipa> it is advertized to all your peers, regardless of connection type
19:14 < Tatty> You helped me very much
19:14 < Tatty> thank you!
19:14 < sipa> ok!     
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19:46 < kallewoof> luke-jr: any idea what the error is for this BIP PR? https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bips/builds/302293555?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
19:46 < kallewoof> I don't even see the error in that log.
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19:56 < meshcollider> kallewoof its something to do with that table diff, it runs scripts/buildtable.pl before and after your commit and then runs `if [ -n "$newdiff" ]; then echo "$newdiff"; exit 1;`
19:57 < meshcollider> Should you add an entry to README.mediawiki?
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20:05 < kallewoof> Ohh, that is probably it yeah. Thanks!
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20:51 < kallewoof> That was it, yep. Thanks again.
20:53 < meshcollider> Sweet :)
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21:11 < meshcollider> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/commit/ba1b4d6e97efead5f1bd0e6239b42c7faed0a4aa
21:38 < eck> if any of you use fedora, I just set up a bitcoin rpm repo based mostly on the existing spec file in the contrib/ directory, feel free to help me test it or give me feedback: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/eklitzke/bitcoin/
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22:44 < wumpus> meshcollider: nice!
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23:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3bdf242fc68a...4db82b7aab4a
23:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5ff01c2 James O'Beirne: [docs] Add instructions for lcov coverage report generation
23:29 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4db82b7 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #11680: [docs] Add instructions for lcov report generation...
23:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #11680: [docs] Add instructions for lcov report generation (master...lcov-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11680
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23:39 < kallewoof> Man, running a full node with datadir on an external USB drive is really slow. Like, handshakes are timing out kind of slow.
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23:46 < jonasschnelli> kallewoof: you could do a PR that would allow to keep the block files on a different "datadir"...
23:46 < jonasschnelli> That would be handy IMO
23:46 < jonasschnelli> Maybe only blocks older then 144+...
23:47 < kallewoof> Can't you just ln -s the blocks folder? I was thinking of doing that
23:47 < jonasschnelli> You want the UTXO/chainstate internal and the blocks external
23:47 < jonasschnelli> kallewoof: you can... 
23:47 < jonasschnelli> but meh
23:47 < kallewoof> I actually think this might be a problem on my end, but not sure. It's way too slow to be normal behavior. I can't even addnode another full node on the same network. It times out.
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