--- Day changed Mon Nov 20 2017 00:05 -!- JackH [~laptop@alvira.static.korbank.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:19 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:21 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:22 -!- u_sgy [7e4a0a1e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.126.74.10.30] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 00:23 -!- u_sgy [7e4a0a1e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.126.74.10.30] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 00:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11662: [0.15] Sanity-check script sizes in bitcoin-tx (0.15...bitcoin-tx-script-sizes-0.14) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11662 01:01 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qqtssuhjaiplftdt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:03 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11110: [script] Avoid implicit casts from bool to CScriptNum (master...implicit-casts-from-bool-to-cscriptnum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11110 01:13 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-toijwtprnsvideji] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13 < wumpus> is anyone building bitcoin core using g++ 4.7? if so, please weigh in here #11732 01:13 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11732 | RFC: bump GCC requirement to 4.8 · Issue #11732 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 01:14 < gmaxwell> <3 01:16 < sipa> when can we upgrade to gcc 6.1 and enable c++14? kthxbye 01:16 < sipa> ;) 01:17 < wumpus> 20125 wasn't it? ;) 01:17 < sipa> no, that's for concepts (assuming they make it into c++20...) 01:18 < wumpus> ah yes, that was for c++20 01:19 < sipa> when did we switch to c++11? 01:19 < wumpus> I guess we don't have to worry, everyone will be using rust by that time 01:20 < gmaxwell> sipa right now, https://memegenerator.net/instance/62565052 01:23 < wumpus> sipa: #7165 started requiring c++11 in the build system, was merged apr 2016 01:23 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7165 | build: Enable C++11 in build, require C++11 compiler by laanwj · Pull Request #7165 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 01:25 < sipa> ok, interpolating from c++11 in 2016 and c++20 in 20125, i get that we'll switch to c++14 in late 8052 01:27 < sipa> gmaxwell: yes... 01:27 < wumpus> ok, my agenda for the year 8052 is still empty so works for me 01:28 -!- laurentmt1 [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:30 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:31 < wumpus> we should probably update wikipedia's far future timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9th_millennium 01:32 -!- laurentmt1 [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 < gmaxwell> firefox is making more progress in having parts of it written in rust, e.g. the latest release replaces the CSS engine with one written in rust. 01:33 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:35 < wumpus> gmaxwell: yes I read the article, really impressive how they can do all kinds of concurrency tricks (that failed two times when they tried to do so in c++) because the compiler and use of the language 'proves' that it is safe. 01:38 < wumpus> parallelized CSS parsing is an impressive technical feat, it's noticably faster, though I'm also saddened it's necessary by today's websites :) 01:39 < wumpus> anyhow makes me kind of jealous stuck in c++ with neantherthal (dead)locking 01:39 < gmaxwell> yea, it's been in nightly for a while and was there default disabled for longer-- when I turned it on it was an obvious visible improvement. 01:41 < sipa> if C++'s evolution from macros to classes and templates to metaclasses continues, we'll probably have the entirety of rust (and php, and intercal) embedded in a c++ library before the year 20125.. 01:42 < wumpus> that's underestimating it, on this pace, the whole of human civilization will be a c++ library by that time 01:42 < gmaxwell> yea, but the gain from rust isn't what it has, it's what it doesn't have. :) you can do all these things in C++ you just need to not make any mistakes and accidentally use permissiveness you didn't intend to use. 01:43 < wumpus> gmaxwell: right 01:44 < sipa> using std::consciousness; 01:45 < wumpus> <3 01:45 < gmaxwell> well, it's better than what the JS people will do, -- make a rest call out to google-brain. 01:45 < sipa> yes, the distinction between languages isn't in what they can or can't express, but in how they force you to express it 01:46 < sipa> (that's actually a slightly modified quote from an article talking about human languages...) 01:52 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ukwgxervjzuqjqjv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:56 -!- pergaminho [~Cleber@201.47.91.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57 -!- pergaminho [~Cleber@201.47.91.172] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 01:58 -!- roadcrap 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become a bad idea on modern hardware) is difficult 03:45 -!- wxss [~user@185.94.193.181] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:53 -!- Jawknee [5e774002@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.119.64.2] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:53 -!- nelruk [~dax_the_c@host-206.58.217.201.copaco.com.py] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 03:57 -!- promag [~promag@bl6-24-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:10 -!- nelruk [~dax_the_c@host-206.58.217.201.copaco.com.py] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:23 -!- promag [~promag@bl6-24-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-4564842.home.otenet.gr] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:25 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@athedsl-4564842.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 04:25 -!- Cogito_Ergo_Sum [~Myself@unaffiliated/cogito-ergo-sum/x-7399460] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:25 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:41 -!- Kieran4Stehr [~Kieran4St@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 04:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11733: Remove redundant locks (master...redundant-locks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11733 04:57 -!- ula [~ula@b2b-78-94-11-194.unitymedia.biz] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:00 -!- Jawknee [5e774002@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.119.64.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors closed pull request #11730: WIP [RPC] [Wallet] walletdowngrade command (which can remove HD) (master...wallet-downgrade) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11730 05:10 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11734: rpc: Work around Clang thread safety analysis quirks (master...clang-thread-safety-quirks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11734 05:21 -!- fanquake [~fanquake@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined 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It's like people haven't even read the code they are modifying. 05:38 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:41 -!- qrest [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00::1] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 05:42 -!- qrestlove [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:454f:112b:9095:f0ea] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03 < meshcollider> fanquake: heh is there a particularly amusing one in particular you are referring to 06:10 -!- fanquake [~fanquake@unaffiliated/fanquake] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:12 -!- Provoostenator [~textual@54693D0F.cm-12-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:14 < Provoostenator> I'm looking at the multiwallet GUI PR now, since it's in this list: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 06:15 < Provoostenator> Is it related to SegWit wallet support somehow? 06:18 -!- goatpig [56f75683@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.247.86.131] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:28 -!- quantbot [~quantbot@cpe-74-73-145-69.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:44 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:44 -!- qrest [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:47 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ldm5180 opened pull request #11735: [refactor] Remove magic numbers from HMAC SHA256 (master...eliminate_magic_numbers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11735 06:53 -!- Guest21 [~textual@qr148.plus.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 06:57 -!- qrest [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:454f:112b:9095:f0ea] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:10 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:20 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:23 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:29 < promag> can anyone explain why we have cs_KeyStore and cs_wallet? 07:31 -!- MrPaz [~PazPazPaz@2602:306:8348:2f70:803d:2050:2531:777b] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:43 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43 -!- timothy [tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:46 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:01 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:02 -!- JackH [~laptop@alvira.static.korbank.pl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:03 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:06 -!- liquidsnk [~liquidsnk@152.168.73.10] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:14 -!- Guest35 [~textual@109.87.232.207] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:19 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qqtssuhjaiplftdt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:26 -!- Guest35 [~textual@109.87.232.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28 -!- Guest35 [~textual@109.87.232.207] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:30 -!- Guest35 [~textual@109.87.232.207] has quit [K-Lined] 08:35 -!- TheSadFace [~iquiles@129-2-181-226.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:35 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:35 < Provoostenator> @promag no, but it would be nice to have some good documentation of how the wallet actually works and how people suggest it could be improved. This is a good start: https://gist.github.com/sipa/125cfa1615946d0c3f3eec2ad7f250a2#current-design (I'm sure there's other docs somewhere) 08:42 -!- TheSadFace [~iquiles@129-2-181-226.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Changing host] 08:42 -!- TheSadFace [~iquiles@unaffiliated/thesadface] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:44 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55 -!- TheSadFace [~iquiles@unaffiliated/thesadface] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:56 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-denuhxqzmsejsvia] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:24 -!- sunday-afternoon [~jack@66-188-250-34.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:33 -!- harrymm [~harrymm@85.203.47.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:39 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:46 -!- harrymm [~harrymm@85.203.47.66] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:51 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping 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(master...docs-style-guide-links) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11729 12:19 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11738: Fix sendrawtransaction hang when sending a tx already in mempool (master...2017-11-fix-sendraw-block) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11738 12:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7a43fbb959c3...901ba3e38194 12:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65e91f5 James O'Beirne: [tests] Test that mempool rejects coinbase transactions 12:21 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 901ba3e MarcoFalke: Merge #11714: [tests] Test that mempool rejects coinbase transactions... 12:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11714: [tests] Test that mempool rejects coinbase transactions (master...test-mempool-rejects-coinbase) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11714 12:30 -!- promag [~promag@bl22-247-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #11739: RFC: Enforce SCRIPT_VERIFY_P2SH and SCRIPT_VERIFY_WITNESS from genesis (master...2017-09-p2sh-segwit-from-genesis) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11739 12:35 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-68-236-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:42 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:43 -!- Cheeseo [~Cheeseo@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cheeseo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:43 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:43 -!- timothy [~tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 12:44 -!- timothy [~tredaelli@redhat/timothy] has quit [Client Quit] 12:45 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 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-!- findall [47f4cec0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.244.206.192] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:37 -!- avoosh [4d7d580b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.88.11] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:43 -!- roadcrap [~roadcrypt@unaffiliated/roadcrap] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:47 -!- HisMajesty_ [8ee70713@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.231.7.19] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:47 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47 < HisMajesty_> Hello Bitcoin Core Developers 13:47 < HisMajesty_> i am authorizing to share 1 Satoshi of Everything with you to be in the core, it will complete the core appropriately 13:48 < HisMajesty_> Begin Code 13:48 < HisMajesty_> Everything ECDSA Public Key (Bitcoin Compatible): 1N2EWy7LroJVFYXtmYZryh7W9eV3k6qajd exists since Mon Oct 02 2017 23:48:19 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) 13:48 < HisMajesty_> End Code 13:48 < luke-jr> HisMajesty_: this isn't "talk to Core developers", it is "work on Core development"; please take it to another forum 13:49 < HisMajesty_> 33.3% Go to Satoshi Nakamoto of the rest of the coin mined in everything, 33.3% to Tyson J. J. Dodge, 33.3% to Nobody and 0.1% to Transaction Fee Reserve for Nobody 13:49 < HisMajesty_> and a Faucet to send coins to and request from a nobody ECDSA Public Key for Everyone to use when they want too would be perfect 13:50 < HisMajesty_> Faucet Buttoin 13:50 < HisMajesty_> Button* 13:50 -!- mode/#bitcoin-core-dev [+o luke-jr] by ChanServ 13:50 -!- HisMajesty_ was kicked from #bitcoin-core-dev by luke-jr [spam] 13:50 -!- mode/#bitcoin-core-dev [-o luke-jr] by luke-jr 13:52 -!- satwo [~textual@2602:306:378a:6fb0:137:974f:d88f:5add] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 13:52 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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connection] 17:33 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:36 < Murch> morcos: I was just looking at fee rate estimation. I'm surprised that the Bitcoin Core estimate is still on 170 for second block target when the network has been clearing the mempool of <40 for four days. 17:37 < Murch> morcos: A few minutes ago, the block would have cleared down to below 5 satoshis per byte, but now there is one MB waiting at 160+ 17:37 < Murch> morcos: Maybe the estimation is a bit of o self-fulfilling prophecy? 17:38 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:38 < sipa> Murch: fee estimation does not look at what fees would be required to confirm given the current mempool 17:38 < sipa> but at what fees *are* confirming 17:38 < Murch> I know 17:38 < sipa> so yes, i guess it's by definition a self-fullfilling prophecy 17:39 < sipa> if people keep overpaying, fee estimation will keep telling them to overpay 17:39 < Murch> however, the fee estimation may be sustaining a higher fee level by jumping in at a too high level and generating enough send queue at that level 17:40 < Murch> I was considering that Morcos' algorithm may not be decreasing fees aggressively enough after such a great fee spike as we had. 17:40 < sipa> right 17:40 < morcos> Murch: I'm not sure what you mean about clearing the mempool of <40 for 4 days 17:41 < morcos> sipa: thats HOPEFU?LLy not true. the design is such that if at least some poeple aren't overpaying, and are also being confirmed, then fee esitmation will let you know that 17:41 < morcos> even if most poeple are still overpaying 17:41 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:41 < sipa> morcos: right 17:41 < sipa> morcos: but to an extent, there is a self-sustaining property in it 17:42 < morcos> the short term estimate has a half-life of only 18 blocks... so anything that happened more than say 12 hours ago is pretty meaningless 17:43 < morcos> yeah, there used to be more though. now some people do place lower fees b/c they are willing to wait and so they use a longer target, so that helps the estimates for the shorter targets come down 17:43 < morcos> that's a big part of why i wanted to increase the range to 1008. incentivise people to try for those lower numbers 17:43 < morcos> but yea, i think there is definitely room to improve fee estimation, i just thinkthere is not much low hanging fruit. it's going to be pretty complicated to make it significantly better 17:44 < Murch> well, the estimate does fit, as the fee level is now at ~170, but only 1.5MB over 30, and 1MB over 160 seems a bit unnatural 17:44 < morcos> Murch, looking at the last couple hours, there are several blocks that haven't cleared down below 100 17:45 < Murch> yeah, the next one won't either 17:45 < morcos> so then if you want to get confirmed in 2 blocks, you shouldn't pay something that low 17:45 < morcos> ask it for 12 and you'll get a much lower answer 17:46 < Murch> yeah, was just curious if anyone else was watching this and had thoughts on it 17:48 < morcos> Fee estimates for target of 6 have gone up recently actually 17:48 < morcos> but yeah its a good idea to keep an eye on it, especially since its' relatively new 17:49 < Murch> morcos: I was wondering, why is the fee estimate jumping at 45? 17:49 < Murch> Are you switching the confidence curve? 17:50 < Murch> sorry, 42 17:50 < Murch> Or, if you don't know what I'm talking about, that may be custom to our estimate. 17:50 < morcos> the time horizons break at 12 and 48, so there are often jumps around 6 , 12, 24, 48 17:50 < morcos> i don't know why that would happen at 42 17:51 < Murch> "23": 22152, 17:51 < Murch> "25": 20083, 17:51 < Murch> "42": 135327, 17:51 < Murch> "49": 128408, 17:51 < morcos> huh??? 17:51 < morcos> that's broken 17:51 < morcos> it should never increase 17:51 < Murch> Maybe it's just a modification in our algorithm, maybe we're not using Vanilla-Core after all 17:51 < Murch> yeah, exactly 17:52 < morcos> i see 19201 for 42 17:52 < Murch> thanks 17:52 < morcos> maybe you stopped asking for ECONOMICAL estimates? 17:52 < Murch> We don't have RBF, so we don't do economical estimates 17:53 < morcos> i think you are for 23/25 17:53 < Murch> ah, that might be it 17:53 < morcos> my conservative estimates for those are higher 17:54 < Murch> Alright, well, I guess I was mistaken in my thinking that our fee estimation is vanilla Core :) 17:54 < morcos> oh.. forgot where you work, yeah i don't think it is 17:55 < Murch> alright, thanks for your insights 18:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:15 -!- quantbot [~quantbot@ool-2f125d98.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 18:16 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16 -!- bule [~bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 18:16 -!- TrufflePig [43c1d724@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.193.215.36] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 18:16 -!- Ylbam 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suggestions on how to improve it, including source code if you feel inclined to write some. 23:15 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:24 -!- fanquake [~fanquake@unaffiliated/fanquake] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:25 < JeffSlentz> Randolf: Thanks! Is there a best practices way to learn the source code? I'm overwhelmed with the sheer amount 23:26 < Randolf> JeffSlentz: Are you familiar with the programming language(s) that said source code is written in? 23:27 < Randolf> JeffSlentz: If not, then there may be other options for you, but you'll probably need to ask about those possibilities in the #bitcoin channel. 23:29 < fanquake> JeffSlentz Checkout the "good first issue" label on repo. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22good+first+issue%22 23:29 < fanquake> JeffSlentz Trying to jump in and more generally "learn the source code" wont be the best place to start. Instead, pick an issue, familiarise yourself with the code concerned, submit a PR to fix it. Rinse & repeat. 23:29 < JeffSlentz> Randolf: I've written some C++ but it's not my preferred language, I suppose. 23:30 < JeffSlentz> fanquake: Thanks, I think that's a good approach 23:34 < fanquake> JeffSlentz Also read through https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md & https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/developer-notes.md . They explain how the development process works, and preferred code styles etc. 23:34 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:36 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:36 -!- qrest [~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:454f:112b:9095:f0ea] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:39 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/901ba3e38194...d4267a3ab271 23:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d9340ce Matt Corallo: Fix sendrawtransaction hang when sending a tx already in mempool 23:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d4267a3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11738: Fix sendrawtransaction hang when sending a tx already in mempool... 23:52 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11738: Fix sendrawtransaction hang when sending a tx already in mempool (master...2017-11-fix-sendraw-block) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11738 23:54 -!- Kedstar [Ked@cpc84133-pool16-2-0-cust51.15-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]