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00:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #12074: [qt] Optimizes boolean expression model && model->haveWatchOnly() (master...patch/TransactionView-optimize-boolean-expression) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12074
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00:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a1136f0cb449...eeb6d5271de3
00:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 275b2ee William Casarin: [qt] change µBTC to bits...
00:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ebcee1d William Casarin: bips: add bip176 (Bits Denomination)...
00:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master eeb6d52 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #12035: [qt] change µBTC to bits...
00:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #12035: [qt] change µBTC to bits (master...qt-bits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12035
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00:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/eeb6d5271de3...a9a49e6e7e8d
00:23 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aad3090 Jeff Rade: [rpc] Adding ::minRelayTxFee amount to getmempoolinfo and updating mempoolminfee help description
00:23 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a9a49e6 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12001: [RPC] Adding ::minRelayTxFee amount to getmempoolinfo and updating help...
00:23 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12001: [RPC] Adding ::minRelayTxFee amount to getmempoolinfo and updating help (master...update_mempoolminfee_help_details) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12001
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02:41 < wumpus> BlueMatt: luke-jr: making the tarball include all git files was discussed a few files already, I think everyone is okay with that in principle, it's just hard to unify with the 'make dist' makefile-isms
02:42 < wumpus> *I mean not include the git files, but all files from the repository
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02:55 < aj> wumpus: thoughts on getting #11796 merged?
02:55 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11796 | [tests] Functional test naming convention by ajtowns · Pull Request #11796 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:59 < wumpus> aj: at the moment I'm trying to save #11403 from having to be rebased again by not merging any all-over-the-place changes/renames
02:59 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11403 | SegWit wallet support by sipa · Pull Request #11403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
03:00 < wumpus> but after that, sure
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03:02  * zelest feels like he annoys laanwj :o
03:05 < wumpus> zelest: seems we just disagree
03:05 < zelest> Not saying my changes are correct, just explaining why I made them. :)
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03:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] bodapanxu opened pull request #12087: mycoin (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12087
03:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12087: mycoin (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12087
03:09 < wumpus> ^^ those kind of spurious PRs are the only kind that really annoy me
03:09 < zelest> I just wish to remove as much clutter as possible when it comes to documentations.  :)
03:09 < zelest> hehe
03:10 < wumpus> I agree, but I don't think it's clutter, just try to move it to a place it won't be in the way when just following the guide
03:10 < wumpus> we don't have the capacity to act as tech support so anything that pre-empts issues that people might have is a win
03:11 < zelest> Yeah, but the clang thing.. why does the user need to know what the compiler is capable of since what version of openbsd? :)
03:11 < wumpus> you could shorten it, the point is that people are bound to forget the CC=cc CXX=c++ thing
03:11 < wumpus> if they do, they end up in a situation where e.g. berkeleydb is built using gcc, and bitcoind using clang
03:11 < wumpus> then they'll have linker errors
03:11 < zelest> hmms, yeah, true
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03:12 < wumpus> the underlying issue is that openbsd 6.2 still has the gcc compiler, if it didn't, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Maybe for the next release it'll really go away?
03:12 < wumpus> but for now, as long as gcc 4.2 is still installed, we need it
03:13 < zelest> it will probably be there for quite some time
03:13 < zelest> the whole ports tree and all the different architectures they build on
03:13 < wumpus> and automake/autoconf tends to choose gcc over cc if it can
03:13 < wumpus> which is terrible in this specific case
03:13  * zelest nods
03:19 < zelest> yeah, i should've based my changes on your pull request, like you initially said...
03:19 < zelest> oh well, at least I've learned a bit more how github works now :)
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03:21 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] bodapanxu opened pull request #12088: mycoin/dash (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12088
03:22 < wdev01> HELP
03:22  * zelest points at #bitcoin
03:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12088: mycoin/dash (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12088
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03:31 < aj> wumpus: sounds sensible :)
03:33 < wumpus> because of the spurious PRs I've blocked bodapanxu from the bitcoin org for now, please let me know
03:33 < wumpus> if he comes up with a valid reason then I'll remove them from the list again
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04:08 < fazec> hey peeps 
04:09 < fazec> I was trying to hard fork the main bitcoin chain today with https://github.com/SegwitB2X/bitcoin2x/ that fork
04:09 < fazec> I learned about syncing and forking at a certain height
04:09 < fazec> I specified the params in src/chainparams.cpp
04:10 < fazec> but still it's giving me a lot of errors such as 2018-01-04 12:07:30 ERROR: AcceptBlockHeader: Consensus:│                                                       :ContextualCheckBlockHeader: 0000000000000000008c8f2437d│                                                       13a70632eb9e5ece259f2f96d03cac3ae5c84, not-hardfork, inc│                                                       orrect block version (code 16) 
04:10 < fazec> Anyone?
04:15 < wumpus> forks are offtopic here, try #bitcoin-forks
04:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a9a49e6e7e8d...36a5a4404836
04:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c9439e7 Akira Takizawa: [Trivial] Update license year range to 2018
04:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 36a5a44 MarcoFalke: Merge #12063: [Trivial] Update license year range to 2018...
04:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12063: [Trivial] Update license year range to 2018 (master...2018-license) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12063
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04:19 < Varunram> wumpus: What is the possibility of a testnet seed connecting to a bitcoin abc seed?
04:19 < Varunram> Asking this because I happened to connect to Peter Todd's seed and got redirected to an abc seed
04:19 < wumpus> redirected?
04:20 < wumpus> DNS seeds shouldn't redirect at all
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04:22 < Varunram> hm, bad language on my part I guess. So a related question would be what actually happens when I try to connect  to a testnet seed? (you can answer at #bitcoin if its off-topic :) )
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04:24 < wumpus> in principle the DNS seeders should avoid reporting nodes that are on forks, but in the current implementation this is based on service bits, they don't actually (Afaik) check what chain they're on
04:26 < Varunram> oh, alright. Weird thing was it didn't spawn an error (might be someone messing with the banner). Our fault I guess. Thanks!
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05:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #12089: qa: Don't remember TestNodeCLI options between calls (master...Mf1801-qaCliOptions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12089
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05:16 < fanquake> wumpus With the amount of forks I'm surprised we don't see more of those prs
05:19 < Varunram> fanquake: The problem is, anybody can compare the diffs and PR..
05:20 < Varunram> i.e. they needn't fork the fork's repo
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06:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/36a5a4404836...ddff3447f29b
06:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c99a3c3 Anthony Towns: [tests] util_tests.cpp: actually check ignored args...
06:11 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ddff344 MarcoFalke: Merge #11997: [tests] util_tests.cpp: actually check ignored args...
06:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #11997: [tests] util_tests.cpp: actually check ignored args (master...parseparam-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11997
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06:13 < luke-jr> why did Bech32 completely omit P2SH^2 stuff? :/
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06:35 < sdaftuar> luke-jr: not sure if my memory is failing me, but i believe p2wsh uses a single sha256 of the script, no?
06:35 < sdaftuar> (anyway this is the first i've heard of the p2sh^2 idea, so i can't comment on your question generally)
06:36 < sipa> i don't think relying on relay policy to prevent data storage is very realistic
06:37 < sipa> at best it will make miners create websites where you can submit things
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06:37 < luke-jr> relay+miner policy; realistic or not, having it as an option is helpful
06:38 < luke-jr> it might not help much with our current problems, but in the future it could become valuable
06:39 < luke-jr> sdaftuar: elaborated more on my bitcoin-dev post; from the BIP, it doesn't seem to use single SHA256
06:42 < sipa> luke-jr: it's also fundamentally incompatible with one of bech32's design goal: being forward compatible with future witness versions that may use dofferent hashing schemes
06:42 < sipa> *different
06:43 < luke-jr> sipa: but not forward compatible with this scheme :x
06:44 < luke-jr> what if we define the first decoded data value being 17 or 18, to P2SH^2 modes?
06:44 < luke-jr> or something like that
06:44 < sipa> meh, that would be possible, but won't be extensible to newer witness versions (which i exoect will be proposed soon anyway)
06:45 < luke-jr> could do 17 to indicate "additionally SHA256 hash", 18 to indicate "additionally RIPEMD160 hash", and then have a byte following it be the witness version
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07:00 < luke-jr> ugh, GitHub requires JS for opening PRs :<
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07:48 < promag> sipa: do you think it makes sense to return the number of processed characters in base_blob::SexHex?
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08:05 < provoostenator> luke-jr: you could probably use the Github API
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08:14 < ryanofsky> you can do it with a curl command, see https://developer.github.com/v3/pulls/#create-a-pull-request https://gist.github.com/caspyin/2288960
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11:00 < promag> meeting?
11:01 < achow101> meeting?
11:01 < provoostenator> meeting?
11:01 < meshcollider> meeting?
11:01 < jonasschnelli> meeting?
11:01 < Chris_Stewart_5> fake news? 
11:01 < jonasschnelli> Maybe wumpus is still on vacation... 
11:01 < cfields> iirc he said he wouldn't be around for 2 meetings
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11:02 < jonasschnelli> Okay... then lets start
11:02 < jonasschnelli> #startmeeting
11:02 < lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Jan  4 19:02:13 2018 UTC.  The chair is jonasschnelli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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11:02 < jonasschnelli> Meeting request: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag
11:02 < jonasschnelli> Any topics?
11:02 < kanzure> hi.     
11:02 < instagibbs> hi     
11:02 < cfields> yet another quick codesigning update
11:03 < jonasschnelli> #topic code signing
11:03 < cfields> I've got the csr patching worked out, and gmaxwell is currently working on documenting the keygen process
11:03 < jonasschnelli> nice!
11:04 < cfields> Ideally we'd get that worked out in the next few days
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11:04 < jonasschnelli> Good. I think there is no need for rush things,... ideally, we would have the new cert for the 0.16 (or say 16.) release
11:04 < cfields> jonasschnelli: is apple's signing process automated and pretty quick, i hope?
11:04 < achow101> Do we have a new Apple cert? It expires in a few days
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11:04 < cfields> jonasschnelli: well the current cert expires on the 11
11:04 < jonasschnelli> cfields: once we have the csr, ... it's a matter of seconds
11:05 < meshcollider> achow101: we don't need it until 0.16 
11:05 < jonasschnelli> achow101: expiring only matter for new binaries
11:05 < cfields> it's not a huge issue as we're not ready to release yet, ofc
11:05 < cfields> right
11:05 < achow101> meshcollider: jonasschnelli right, duh
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11:05 < cfields> I'd still like to avoid a lapse if possible, though
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11:05 < cfields> note that we also have the actual signing process to deal with
11:05 < jonasschnelli> yes. In "emergency" cases, we can still create a single-person RSA cert...
11:05 < achow101> although sooner is better. otherwise it becomes a release blocker
11:06 < cfields> luckily I hacked up the mac codesigner last year, but it needs a bit of polish
11:06 < jonasschnelli> achow101: Yes. Though we have the fallback doing the same as we already did (single person RSA cert)
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11:07 < jonasschnelli> How about Windows?
11:07 < cfields> the only snag is that it doesn't handle timestamping. So worst-case, we may do a non-timestamped 0.16. It could be followed up with a timestamped release once that's worked out
11:07 < jonasschnelli> Timestamping of what?
11:07 < cfields> imo we should go ahead and do Windows once we've gone though the process for osx and identified the kinks
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11:08 < jonasschnelli> I have no insights how Windows code signing works... but probably the same RSA approach could be taken, right?
11:08 < cfields> windows uses a free/open-source signer though, so that's no concern
11:08 < cfields> yea, ideally we'd use the same procedure for both
11:08  * jonasschnelli curses apple closed source signing
11:08 < cfields> it's possible that it's just an hour's worth of work. I just haven't looked into apple's timestamping mechanism yet
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11:09 < cfields> ok, that's it from me
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11:10 < jonasschnelli> thanks for the update! Thanks for working on this cfields
11:10 < jonasschnelli> Any other topics?
11:10 < achow101> coin selection
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11:10 < Murch> Hi :)
11:10 < jonasschnelli> #topic coin selection (murchs algo)
11:11 < meshcollider> Perfect timing Murch ;)
11:11 < jonasschnelli> heh     
11:11 < Murch> Highlight on "coin selection" ;)
11:11 < achow101> I did a bunch of simulations https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10637#issuecomment-353989346
11:11 < achow101> I'm not quite sure how to interpret the results
11:12 < achow101> but it basically looks like it performs no worse than the current algo
11:12 < jonasschnelli> Maybe Murch can comment on your results?
11:12 < achow101> It looks like it usually does slightly better since BnB is hit a small percentage of the time
11:13 < Murch> achow101: If you're only simulating flat fees the only thing that you're counting is the number of transactions that don't create a change output.
11:13 < achow101> Murch: I've only simulated flat fee so far. Maybe I should try it with somehow using mainnet fee estimation?
11:14 < Murch> achow101: What would be really interesting is whether the different selection algorithm has an impact on the cost in varying fee levels, because it could cause BnB to select more unspents at a higher fee level and fewer at a lower level, which would only be visible in a scenario of varying fee levels.
11:14 < achow101> If people would like to run their own simulations, the code for it is available here: https://github.com/achow101/bitcoin/tree/bnb-simulate. More info in this commnet: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10637#issuecomment-353452113
11:14 < Murch> That's at least my main concern in regard to deploying BnB.
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11:15 < achow101> Murch: I did run the simulation at different flat fee rates
11:15 < provoostenator> Vaguely related question: is it possible to refactor the coin selection algo into a pure function that takes whatever info it needs (coins, mempool stats, etc) as input and returns the coins? That might make it easier to try different algos.
11:15 < achow101> *simulations
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11:16 < Murch> achow101: Yes, I see that. But the selection effect would only be visible in a scenario with changing fees.
11:16 < jonasschnelli> provoostenator: also in the past, there where discussions about having multiple coin selection
11:16 < jonasschnelli> *selections
11:16 < provoostenator> Right, that would be the idea. Easier to add more experimental selection mechanisms.
11:16 < achow101> Murch: ah, right
11:17 < instagibbs> provoostenator, standard coin selection right now is a loopy affair, kind of complicated :/
11:17 < Murch> provoostenator: achow101's implementation does a big step in that direction .
11:18 < jonasschnelli> other topics?
11:18 < Murch> @achow101: The table seems to show only the final UTXO count, right?
11:19 < Murch> Interesting would also be the final balance of the wallet, especially in regard to the scenario with varying fee levels.
11:19 < achow101> Murch: it shows all of the same things that your simulation framework outputs
11:19 < achow101> I think
11:19 < achow101> It's a big table, you'll have to scroll
11:19 < Murch> Perhaps we could put our heads together in the next few days.
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11:20 < achow101> ok     
11:20 < Murch> Great work there, though thank you!
11:20 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Thanks achow101!
11:20 < Chris_Stewart_5> provoostenator: So basically you pass in a higher order function to the actual 'read from wallet' function 
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11:21 < jonasschnelli> Other topics?
11:22 < promag> merge fest?
11:23 < provoostenator> Maybe after SegWit UI is merged?
11:23 < promag> I'm talking about that one :)
11:23 < provoostenator> (I mean SegWit wallet)
11:24 < jonasschnelli> Soon. :)
11:24 < jonasschnelli> #endmeeting
11:24 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan  4 19:24:02 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
11:24 < lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-01-04-19.02.html
11:24 < lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-01-04-19.02.txt
11:24 < lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-01-04-19.02.log.html
11:24 < meshcollider> Soon™
11:24 < provoostenator> promag: Oh ok, I thought you wanted to have everyone go through every open PR and see if it's close to mergeable...  
11:24 < provoostenator> Which might be nice close to a release.
11:24 < achow101> provoostenator: we should do that too
11:25 < provoostenator> With one or two weeks for their respective authors to address remaining nits.
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11:37 < BlueMatt> ugh, totally forgot today is meeting :/
11:37 < promag> BlueMatt: since you're there, #11041
11:37 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11041 | Add LookupBlockIndex by promag · Pull Request #11041 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:38 < BlueMatt> yea, its on my queue :p
11:39 < promag> +1     
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11:43 < cfields> kanzure: heh, looks like saurik added osx signing to ldid ~the same day we discussed in the meeting here last year
11:43 < cfields> so we can cross that off the todo list :)
11:45 < phantomcircuit> i was busy sleeping
11:45 < kanzure> cfields: chalk this one up to teamwork and call it a day :P
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11:46 < cfields> kanzure: nah, i'm chalking it up to you pinging him about it. So, thanks :)
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11:48 < cfields> (and also to Cunningham's law, as my quick hacks probably made his eyes bleed)
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12:31 < sipa> oops, i was timezone confused and missed it
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12:36 < luke-jr> I thought we weren't having meetings during Christmas? :p
12:37 < Murch> no wonder the meeting was so short and few ;)
12:37 < Chris_Stewart_5> Murch: rekt! ;)
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12:39 < instagibbs> luke-jr, when does Christmas end for you
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12:47 < sdaftuar> sipa: any further thoughts (concept ack/nack) on whether you think #11739 is worth doing?
12:47 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11739 | RFC: Enforce SCRIPT_VERIFY_P2SH and SCRIPT_VERIFY_WITNESS from genesis by sdaftuar · Pull Request #11739 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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12:48 < sdaftuar> if so i feel like next step would be for me to email the dev list and figure out a way to document this (maybe update one of the existing bips?)
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13:01 < luke-jr> instagibbs: Jan 6 I think
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13:22 < maxzor> Hello, pls bear with some chitchat :) do you have an estimate of the average concurrent nodes working on a given transaction? Of the blocks that are discarded (are they stored in the extensive ledger?) ?
13:24 < sipa> #bitcoin or bitcoin.stackexchange.com please
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13:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12089: qa: TestNodeCLI Rework output parsing, Prevent options mixups, Make command optional (master...Mf1801-qaCliOptions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12089
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13:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 251Labs opened pull request #12092: [qt] Replaces numbered place marker %2 with %1. (master...patch/12015/sendcoinsdialog-replaces-numbered-place-marker) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12092
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14:48 < phantomcircuit> batch rpc seems broken in master
14:48 < phantomcircuit> hmm maybe just for very large batches
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14:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #12093: Fix incorrect Markdown link (master...fix-incorrect-markdown-link) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12093
14:56 < phantomcircuit> i guess 500k is too many for a single batch
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15:48 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #12094: Fix hdmaster-key / seed-key confusion (master...2018/01/hdseed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12094
15:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ddff3447f29b...56910285fa4a
15:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4aa6455 practicalswift: Fix incorrect Markdown link
15:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5691028 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #12093: Fix incorrect Markdown link...
15:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #12093: Fix incorrect Markdown link (master...fix-incorrect-markdown-link) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12093
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16:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #12095: [contrib] Use BDB_LIBS/CFLAGS and pass --disable-replication (master...db4-script-flags) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12095
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18:27 < phantomcircuit> so there are a lot of peers which are sending transactions even when you're in blocksonly mode
18:27 < phantomcircuit> would there be any opposition to banning those peers?
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18:31 < achow101> phantomcircuit: aren't they supposed to be banned?
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18:36 < BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: I mean you have to do *something* for eg spv peers...at a minimum would need to bump protocol version and only apply to peers over that version, or have some additional handshake message
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19:06 < echeveria> BlueMatt: blocksonly should really be implying peerbloomfilters=0 anyway. 
19:07 < BlueMatt> echeveria: why?
19:08 < BlueMatt> echeveria: you mean because its implied "low-bandwidth-dont-serve-others" mode?
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19:15 < phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, iirc the version was already bumped
19:15 < phantomcircuit> it sets the flag in the version message which was part of the bip37 changes originally
19:21 < phantomcircuit> echeveria, not sure it matters, the only thing you'll filter on is mempool requests and you dont have a mempool
19:22 < phantomcircuit> so     
19:22 < phantomcircuit> \_(``/)_/-
19:25 < phantomcircuit> oh you'll filter blocks
19:25 < phantomcircuit> derp
19:25 < phantomcircuit> yeah
19:26 < phantomcircuit> im hungry
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19:27 < echeveria> BlueMatt: they want mempool transactions, a blocks only node is deceptively useless to them.
19:28 < BlueMatt> echeveria: do they? they also filter blocks
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19:29 < echeveria> BlueMatt: if they trust a node will give it mempool transactions, and it doesn't. they only ever use one 'master' node, others for headers only. 
19:29 < BlueMatt> echeveria: I'd very much hope no bloom-filter-based clients are only using one node to receive transaction data, that would be a huge, huge security issue for them
19:30 < BlueMatt> also, my point stands - bip37 nodes *also* receive filtered blocks, it may be that they're ok with just that
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19:32 < echeveria> unless they only get those block peers. 
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19:47 < luke-jr> [03:08:01] <BlueMatt> echeveria: you mean because its implied "low-bandwidth-dont-serve-others" mode? <-- this does seem like a good reason to toggle the default in blocksonly mode
19:49 < BlueMatt> luke-jr: yea, i kinda realized that after i said it, its not a bad justification for changing default, though we've always used nolisten as a "really dont want to be serving other clients" not nopeerbloomfilter
19:50 < echeveria> luke-jr: blocksonly is pretty much a DOS on bad bip37 peers expecting unconfirmed transactions.
19:51 < BlueMatt> "I only accept transactions from one peer, and that peer isnt sending me transactions" aww boo hoo
19:52 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: true
19:52 < echeveria> BlueMatt: I trusted a node to filter transactions and they just sent back blank proofs. literally no SPV client handles that today either.
19:52 < luke-jr> echeveria: it's absurd for light clients to look at unconfirmed transactions anyway
19:53 < echeveria> luke-jr: yes, but people are conditioned to think that's reasonable. 
19:53 < luke-jr> unless it's your own node it's using, in which case "don't do that"
19:53 < luke-jr> echeveria: that's a reason TO break it, not to avoid breaking it
19:53 < BlueMatt> echeveria: do no spv clients do duplicative sync from multiple peers?
19:53 < echeveria> BlueMatt: I'd have to check, not when I last looked. there's also like, 2 BIP37 wallets in use today.
19:54 < BlueMatt> jimpo: where are we on the better spv sync stuff? :p
19:54 < BlueMatt> echeveria: yea, well bip37 should be killed off entirely at this point anyway
19:54 < echeveria> BlueMatt: the biggest one is Bread and they refuse to use Segwit, so, maybe it's a problem that solves itself. 
19:55 < BlueMatt> "refuse"? as in "we dont want to do the work, fuck our users"?
19:55 < BlueMatt> or as in "we're going under, so dont support the app anymore"
19:55 < echeveria> er hold on, I am not remembering that right. 
19:55 < echeveria> there's a fork here. https://github.com/breadwallet/breadwallet-core/tree/segwit 
19:56 < BlueMatt> yea, that doesnt sound like breadwallet, but i dunno
19:56 < echeveria> there was *some* wallet that was saying it's not valuable, I forget which.
19:56 < BlueMatt> s/dunno/dont know them well/
19:56 < luke-jr> BlueMatt: Bread was doing 2X-y stuff back when
19:57 < BlueMatt> so were lots of folks, doesnt mean they'd deliberately screw their users *now*...
19:57 < echeveria> luke-jr: note that I retracted my comment there. 
19:57 < luke-jr> not using Segwit isn't screwing anyone
19:57 < BlueMatt> depends on if your users want cheaper fees, but, sure
20:00 < luke-jr> if users believe Segwit reduces fees and want to use it, they can always look at competing wallets
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20:12 < jimpo> BlueMatt: It's Coming Soon TM.
20:12 < jimpo> Another look at #11857 might help :-). I promise it's related.
20:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11857 | Build tx index in parallel with validation by jimpo · Pull Request #11857 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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20:13 < BlueMatt> jimpo: mmm, ok, added to heap...
20:13 < jimpo> \o/     
20:14 < jimpo> Yeah, I'm pretty close with the drafts of the revised BIPs (I'm thinking 2 instead of 1, though it might end up just being one huge one). Need to run the changes by roasbeef.
20:15 < BlueMatt> jimpo: heh, dont get too excited, the heap is very very large and essentially unsorted :p
20:16 < jimpo> Oh, it's unsorted then I've got some probability of being next at random.
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