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00:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/45cf8a03cb57...9501dc27b336
00:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8e617e3 Suhas Daftuar: Remove unused mempool index
00:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9501dc2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12127: Remove unused mempool index...
00:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12127: Remove unused mempool index (master...2018-01-remove-unused-index) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12127
01:09 < sipa> i wonder if this would speed up our unit tests: https://idea.popcount.org/2013-07-19-how-to-sleep-a-million-years/
01:10 < sipa> (and if not, it's still very cool)
01:12 < wumpus> if I understand it correctly, we do the same using mock times, but it's certainly an interesting approach
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01:13 < sipa> s/unit/functional/
01:14 < sipa> the advantage is that it works across processes, so you can sleep in python, but if flixcapacitor knows every process around is waiting for i/o or sleeping, it can speed up time
01:14 < sipa> *flux
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01:28 < CubicEarths> sipa: You are 33 ?!
01:29 < sipa> iseems so
01:29 < aj> wumpus: i'm guessing #11796 will have to wait for 0.17 now?
01:29 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11796 | [tests] Functional test naming convention by ajtowns · Pull Request #11796 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:29 < aj> sipa: happy (belated?) 0x21st then
01:30 < sipa> aj: about 4 months ago
01:31 < CubicEarths> I was sure you were older (but for good reasons).
01:32 < wumpus> aj: I think it makes sense to do that before the branch, to make it easier to backport tests to 0.16
01:33 < aj> wumpus: yeah. before the 0.16 branch sounds better than before the 0.17 branch too :)
01:33 < wumpus> I don't think test changes need to pay attention to feature freezes
01:33 < wumpus> the only drawback of merging it, say, now, would be that some PRs need to rebase, but that's always the case
01:34 < aj> wumpus: 11796 should be merge-able anytime, only #11774 should case any conflicts or need for rebases
01:34 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11774 | [WIP] [tests] Rename functional tests by ajtowns · Pull Request #11774 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:34 < sipa> i'll try to make a PR for importmulti support for segwit addresses soon; i think we shouldn't have 0.16 (or 16.0?) without
01:34 < wumpus> sipa: please make an issue so that we can tag it 0.16.0 and not forget about it
01:34 < wumpus> aj: thanks
01:35 < aj> wumpus: (i have a script to update 11774 that i run whenever i think of it)
01:36 < wumpus> aj: I see - so 11796 just prevents new tests from being introduced that violate the new naming convention, clever
01:37 < aj> wumpus: yeah, it has leeway for a few more violations than already exist too just in case
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01:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9501dc27b336...4db16ec82793
01:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1e10854 John Newbery: [tests] [docs] update README for new test naming scheme
01:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 82b2712 John Newbery: [tests] move witness util functions to blocktools.py...
01:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7250b4e Anthony Towns: [tests] README.md nit fixes
01:39 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11796: [tests] Functional test naming convention (master...soft_rename_tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11796
01:39 < aj> \o/     
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01:41 < aj> wumpus: #11862 is definitely not happening 'til 0.17 though, right?
01:41 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11862 | [wip] Network specific conf sections by ajtowns · Pull Request #11862 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:41 < wumpus> aj: agree
01:41 < sipa> wumpus: will do (create issue)
01:42 < sipa> yes, agree for 0.17
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05:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ericallam opened pull request #12189: [Qt] Display transaction fee with sat/vbyte value in SendCoinsDialog (master...sat_vbyte_fee_rate_in_qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12189
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05:27 < wumpus> aj: "INFO: 84 tests not meeting naming conventions (expected 77):" on master now
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05:28 < wumpus> eh not master, but master +#12118, but that doesn't add any functional tests
05:28 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12118 | Sort mempool by min(feerate, ancestor_feerate) by sdaftuar · Pull Request #12118 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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05:33 < aj> wumpus: yeah, those are from PRs merged over the past couple of months
05:35 < wumpus> probably needs to be updated to prevent that from being printed all the time
05:35 < aj> is wallet_address_types.py still failing randomly? https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/328994783
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05:37 < wumpus> I haven't seen it fail recently on master at least
05:37 < aj> wumpus: EXPECTED_VIOLATION_COUNT in test_runner.py is the change
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06:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fwolfst opened pull request #12192: Trivial: Issue 12190: Update http URL of MIT license to use https (master...12190-UPDATE_MIT_LINK_TO_HTTPS) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12192
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06:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4db16ec82793...44080a90a292
06:37 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6773f92 Suhas Daftuar: Refactor CompareTxMemPoolEntryByDescendantScore
06:37 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9a51319 Suhas Daftuar: Sort mempool by min(feerate, ancestor_feerate)...
06:37 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7abfa53 Suhas Daftuar: Add test for new ancestor feerate sort behavior
06:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12118: Sort mempool by min(feerate, ancestor_feerate) (master...2018-01-fix-mempool-score) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12118
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07:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #12193: RPC: Consistently use UniValue.pushKV instead of push_back(Pair()) (karel-3d) (master...Mf1801-univalueDeprecatedPair) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12193
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08:20 < promag> is snake case the convention for rpc arguments?
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08:30 < wumpus> promag: yes, all of them follow that convention
08:31 < promag> we have some camel case (object options)
08:31 < promag> there are some like "maxtries"
08:31 < wumpus> all the direct arguments do
08:31 < promag> should be max_tries?
08:32 < wumpus> if it was a new call, that should be the case, don't bother changing the interface now
08:32 < promag> so even options should follow snake case
08:32 < wumpus> for new calls, yes, but we don't change the existing API just to confirm to that
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08:36 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #12194: Add change type option to fundrawtransaction (master...2018-01-fundrawtransaction-changetype) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12194
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09:07 < Tituzin> Good afternoon Guys - I need help with a little problem I have - I opened my Core wallet from February 2014, after syncing all the blocks, I found a sending transaction that was "unconfirmed/not in memory pool" since 2014. I check for txid on the block explorer and there is no info about that transaction. I went ahead and "ABANDONED TRANSACTION". Will I ever get these btc back? I checked both sender and receipient wallets,
09:08 < Tituzin> after hitting "abandon" - now the transaction only says Status: 0/unconfirmed, not in memory pool, abandoned   /  Output index: 1
09:08 < Tituzin> what would be my next step to try and recover it?
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09:09 < sipa> Tituzin: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
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09:12 < alexeyneu> rescan blockchain
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09:16 < Tituzin> Thank you Sipa, ill try there - I was hoping a DEV would help but ill try the pagans :D
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14:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/44080a90a292...bbc91b769973
14:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 59f9e2a Jonas Schnelli: Use flexible font size for QRCode image address
14:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bbc91b7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12173: [Qt] Use flexible font size for QRCode image address...
14:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12173: [Qt] Use flexible font size for QRCode image address (master...2018/01/fix_qr_font) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12173
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14:49 < cfields> gcc fixes for non-deterministic code generation among differing host libc's merged upstream: https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bd421962ff63a8eca179a8fb2c2f898749246c5 :)
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14:52 < sipa> cfields: woohoo, a commit in GCC, that's like... geek level 53 unlocked?
14:54 < wumpus> cfields: awesome!
14:54 < cfields> sipa: haha
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14:57 < cfields> warren: ^^ may be of interest to you if you're still involved on the Linux/Fedora determinism front
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15:03 < luke-jr> sipa: what geek level is unlocked by a commit in Linux? <.<
15:08 < goksinen> hey guys, i wanted to know when is MAST relasing? 
15:08 < goksinen> Does anyone have any idea?
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15:15 < cfields> luke-jr: Yours are more interesting, but I do have a small cosmetic kernel commit :p
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15:18 < wumpus> my kernel commits all have to do with etnaviv I think
15:19 < sipa> luke-jr: 79 i guess
15:19 < cfields> ooh, wumpus is winning
15:20 < sipa> :)     
15:20 < luke-jr> cfields: they are? mine seem pretty boring
15:22 < wumpus> sipa: I think a gcc commit should score higher, compilers especially gcc always seemed hocus pocus to me
15:23 < cfields> wumpus: Diving into the source confirmed. It's all voodoo.
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17:10 < shaowei> hello guys
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20:27 < gmaxwell> sdaftuar: Do you have any idea if your collected transaction flux dataset has any sigops attacks in it? 
20:28 < gmaxwell> sdaftuar: I was thinking it would would be interesting to try some efficient approximations of multidimensional optimization. I have a fairly concrete idea of what I'd like to try.
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20:47 < jtimon> shouldn't https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11426 have the refactoring label too ?
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21:15 < gmaxwell> sdaftuar: e.g. lowering the initial sigops lagrangian and having it increase only when the sigops limit is hit. ... though any change in it would require rescoring the whole mempool, I think that could be done infrequently.   
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22:26 < echelon> is anyone working on adding support for boost-1.66.0
22:27 < gmaxwell> echelon: what isn't compatible?
22:27 < gmaxwell> We generally prefer to reduce boost dependency, so if there is any incompatiblity that can be resolved by removing boost stuff (and e.g. replacing with C++11 functionality), that would be good.
22:28 < echelon> gmaxwell: i had the same errors as this guy.. https://gist.github.com/carlocapocasa/5f31ac2bd7c1ce3f09f4fc1474ad2cb3#file-gistfile1-txt-L287-L321
22:28 < echelon> ah, good to know
22:32 < sipa> echelon: wasn't that just fixed in master?
22:33 < echelon> has it? i see that the ticket is still open
22:33 < echelon> let me check
22:34 < sipa> #11847
22:34 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11847 | Make boost::multi_index comparators const by sdaftuar · Pull Request #11847 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
22:34 < echelon> ah ok, i guess this can be closed as well then https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12116
22:34 < sipa> and issue #11837 is closed. what other issue is there?
22:34 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11837 | CompareModifiedEntry::operator() not const · Issue #11837 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
22:34 < gmaxwell> k, well muti-index we probably wouldn't fix by removing for now.
22:35 < gmaxwell> echelon: have you tried building master?
22:35 < echelon> doing a pull right now
22:36 < gmaxwell> thanks
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22:40 < echelon> seems to have passed the miner.o compilation :)
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22:44 < sipa> echelon: thanks for pointing out 12116 was still open
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22:44 < echelon> anytime
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23:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #12196: Add scantxoutset RPC method (master...2017/12/utxo_sweep) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12196
23:10 < echelon> all tests passed, and everything is running fine :)
23:13 < sipa> good to hear
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23:15 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12196#issuecomment-357872742
23:16 < jonasschnelli> What do you mean with " addresses for the pubkey part"?
23:17 < gmaxwell> I would expect the argument you would supply would be addresses, exactly like importing for a watching wallet.  Not pubkeys.
23:17 < gmaxwell> (I suppose a pubkey would be okay to accept in addition to addresses, but I'm not sure if anyone would use it)
23:18 < jonasschnelli> Using addresses would mean, you would have to known what script types where used for the unspents you are looking for...
23:18 < sipa> how would you not know?
23:18 < gmaxwell> the address tells you the script type. Any address can be converted into a scriptpubkey, otherwise how could someone pay it?
23:19 < gmaxwell> (also, with a bare pubkey you're left guessing at the script type)
23:20 < sipa> maybe this is easier to discuss with explicit use cases in mind?
23:20 < jonasschnelli> Yes... hard to give arguments against addresses,...
23:20 < gmaxwell> The use case is in the linked PR.
23:20 < jonasschnelli> my use case is that there are backups where only pubkey/privkeys are visible
23:21 < jonasschnelli> But could also be addresses...
23:21 < jonasschnelli> I though pubkeys and derive all common scipts makes it easier ...
23:21 < gmaxwell> The only shortcomming of also supporting pubkeys is that pubkeys don't encode the script type; and we are trying to move away from the "use all the types" handling in the wallet in general.
23:21 < sipa> well i think it's a bad situation we're in now that public keys explicitly don't have an associated script type
23:22 < sipa> which simplifies things "they can be anything" in one way
23:22 < jonasschnelli> Maybe both should work
23:22 < sipa> unfortunately at this point we really need to treat xpubs as deriving all address types that currentpy exist
23:22 < jonasschnelli> sipa: that's why you want to scan for all possible related funds... 
23:22 < gmaxwell> I would say that it's fine to also support pubkeys and do wildcard handling, but I'm a little concerned that it'll make it harder to rip out wildcard handling in general in the future.
23:23 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: that has pretty poor scalablity long term as the number of possible types increases.
23:23 < sipa> jonasschnelli: yeah, compatibiloty with how things are done now is a reason in favor
23:23 < gmaxwell> at least for the general usage in the wallet, perhaps it's excusable in an import.
23:23 < sipa> compatibiloty with how i hope thongs work in the future is an argument against
23:24 < sipa> *some s/o/i/ where appropriate
23:24 < jonasschnelli> I agree... but I guess the only point where we want that fallback-scan-for-everything is exactly the utxo-base-sweep (scan)
23:24 < jonasschnelli> (or at least an option)
23:24 < sipa> fair
23:24 < sipa> i agree
23:24 < jonasschnelli> I think supporting addresses and pubkeys makes most sense... will add
23:25 < sipa> it's analogous to importpubkey and importprivkey
23:25 < sipa> which also derive everything
23:25 < jonasschnelli> Right
23:25 < sipa> or at least all existing addresses
23:25 < gmaxwell> I think for sweeps its probably fine.  Addresses should be the recommended input, if you have a choice, and they don't have that problem.  Later we can introduce a script type augmented xpub to cover that case too.
23:26 < jonasschnelli> There is also a missing rpc call for a rawsweep... something that can calculate fees based on an array of unspents and a send-to-address
23:26 < sipa> longer term i hope we have address-type-specific privkeys/xpubs (like electrum has)
23:26 < gmaxwell> I think the behavior should be analogous to importaddress-- e.g. equal or a superset of what that can import.
23:26 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: can fundrawtransaction do that already?
23:27 < gmaxwell> without thinking too hard I think fundraw could be made to do that, without breaking compatibility with anything.
23:28 < sipa> yes createraw + fun draw can donthat, but it's abit cumbersome
23:28 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: I don't think so it can today... what you want is no change outputs, just the total - the required fee after the given confirmation target
23:28 < sipa> *do that
23:28 < gmaxwell> sipa: if the app is still unclear, consider e.g. sweeping spinoff coins without having to do a importaddress and wallet rescan on a spinoff node.
23:28 < jonasschnelli> fund* is also the wrong term if you have all unspents
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23:28 < sipa> right
23:28 < sipa> yes, makes sense
23:28 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: well thats the change from payment amount behavior.
23:29 < jonasschnelli> What would easy work is allowing an send-to-address in the utxo scan and spit out the recommended fee
23:29 < jonasschnelli> (for the tx in the background and use the estimator)
23:29 < jonasschnelli> but meh
23:30 < gmaxwell> I suppose someone could then edit the tx if they want other behavior.
23:30 < gmaxwell> ah, I see ... maybe this should wait for achow's PSBT support.
23:31 < jonasschnelli> maybe the scantxout command should spit out (additionally) the raw tx for a sweep to a given address
23:31 < gmaxwell> The best interface for this, I think, would be to output a raw transaction. But the problem with that is that it isn't an acceptable input for signrawtransaction.
23:31 < gmaxwell> I suppose it could output BOTH a raw transaction and the argument for signrawtransaction.
23:31 < jonasschnelli> Yes.
23:31 < gmaxwell> But that problem is the primary motivation for PSBTs.
23:31 < jonasschnelli> Though we would need xpriv support in signraw
23:31 < gmaxwell> well one of the primary motivations.
23:31 < jonasschnelli> (can be added at later stage=
23:33 < gmaxwell> I like it outputting the raw transaction and signraw argument, though a PSBT would be even better.
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23:33 < gmaxwell> it could take a destition array, and if it's empty, then just leave off the destinations for further editing.
23:34 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: I think it does already output the signraw arguments,.. the "unspents" array can be used for singraw (it contains the scriptPubKey)
23:34 < gmaxwell> and support a feerate argument override for the estimator as some of the other rpcs do.
23:34 < jonasschnelli> (but not the rawtx)
23:34 < gmaxwell> I know.
23:34 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: good point, feerate override would be great to have
23:36 < gmaxwell> esp because estimator is dumb on recently started nodes... and I think for this a common use will be to start something, catch up to tip, and sweep... 
23:36 < jonasschnelli> Oh.... yes.
23:37 < jonasschnelli> I hope we have disabled the default fallbackfee for such cases...
23:37 < gmaxwell> listunspent has a modifier dictionary that it takes, which you might consider having. The obvious modification would be to ignore dust outputs.
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23:38 < gmaxwell> (other modifier might be height<=x, which could _sometimes_ be used to create spinoff txn without the spinoff chain-- though that could be added later)
23:38 < jonasschnelli> Great ideas... 
23:39 < gmaxwell> e.g. you have a signer that knows how to sign for SBTC, and you haven't spent any coins since the fork.. you could use a bitcoin node to create the sweep transactions...
23:39 < jonasschnelli> One downside of those utxo scans is: "real    8m38.318s"... they take relatively long,... 8m is on a very fast SSD machine
23:40 < gmaxwell> that is still a HELL of a lot better than a full wallet rescan.
23:40 < jonasschnelli> indeed... 
23:41 < jonasschnelli> Also,... pruned peers
23:41 < gmaxwell> 8m still seems like a long time, our poor poor utxo set.
23:42 < gmaxwell> oh I assume you flush first, perhaps some of that was flush time?
23:42 < gmaxwell> which can take a long time if your dbcache is gigantic.
23:43 < gmaxwell> hm. I seem to recall the gettxoutsetinfo taking ~2 minutes. :(
23:43 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: I removed the flush...
23:43 < gmaxwell> uh, but if you don't flush you won't return correct results?
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23:43 < gmaxwell> flushing is needed to make the utxo set on disk consistent with the chaintip.
23:44 < sipa> unless you scan both the disk and memory explicitly
23:44 < gmaxwell> I suppose you can do that... scan disk, then memory to remove anything found but spent, and add anything added... seems complicated.
23:44 < jonasschnelli> I guess I should re-add that. :)
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23:45 < sipa> i believe ryanofski has a PR to pet you scan through a view of the merged disk+cache
23:45 < sipa> *let
23:45 < jonasschnelli> 8min is on a AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, 6Gb/s SSD (software raid though)
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23:46 < echelon> gmaxwell: off-topic, but did you used to do ports for zipit?
23:47 < gmaxwell> echelon: I don't know what 'ports for zipit' would be, so presumably not. :)
23:48 < echelon> zipit z2, the handheld linux console thingy
23:48 < echelon> nevermind :)
23:49 < gmaxwell> nope! only handheld linux things I've done anything with are sharp zarus and openmoko.
23:49 < echelon> kk, gotcha
23:49 < gmaxwell> jonasschnelli: just as a sanity check, can you time a gettxoutsetinfo on the same host?
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23:50 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: one sec
23:50 < gmaxwell> it might be that my cached memory of how long that takes is outdated or just wrong... but if not, there might be something to optimize in your code.
23:50 < jonasschnelli> Oh... it's --enable-debug 
23:50 < sipa> jonasschnelli: don't do that when benchmarking :)
23:51 < jonasschnelli> I fall into this over and over again
23:51 < sipa> i'm happy sokeone is regularly running with debug enabled :)
23:51 < sipa> *someone
23:52 < gmaxwell> lol     
23:52 < gmaxwell> whew, well I hope its faster without it.
23:56 < gmaxwell> not that 2m would be all that awesome either.