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When I send a getaddr message, the peer responds with an alert message? 07:16 < Lauda> Try #bitcoin or #bitcoin-dev; this is the wrong channel for that. 07:17 < rooster__> Thanks lauda, ill post on there :0 07:17 < rooster__> :) 07:18 -!- rooster__ [29a09dd3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.160.157.211] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 07:21 -!- ken2812221 [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:22 -!- ken2812221 [~User@133-203.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:26 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@h-13-35.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32 -!- quer [~quer@unaffiliated/quer] has quit [] 07:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:33 -!- quer [~quer@unaffiliated/quer] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38 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gitian and newer LXC ? 14:42 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 14:42 < dongcarl> cfields: I'm just writing up something right now actually haha. 14:43 < cfields> dongcarl: ah, ok 14:43 < dongcarl> cfields: in a nutshell at the very least the config file has to be changed 14:43 < dongcarl> cfields: I'm also getting a tty error for all lxc-execute commands 14:43 < cfields> dongcarl: isn't the config written on-the-fly ? 14:43 < dongcarl> yes, but they changed the key names in 2.1 14:44 < dongcarl> kallewoof actually ran into the tty errors back in December 14:44 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:44 < dongcarl> and through GitHub digging it seems like an upstream glib thing, but that could be wrong 14:45 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:46 < dongcarl> these issues are with LXC 2.1.1 right now, but I'm guessing non-rolling distros will move over to 2.1 soon 14:46 < cfields> dongcarl: I assume you tried passing "-t" to ssh ? 14:46 < dongcarl> cfields: I'm using LXC so there's no ssh, just lxc-execute 14:47 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:47 < dongcarl> look in libexec/on-target:53 14:47 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:47 < cfields> ah, right 14:48 -!- Roben [~rwito@154.121.251.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:48 < dongcarl> I'm looking through and it seems like some of the stuff hasn't been touched for quite a while 14:48 < dongcarl> and most "touching" have been just workarounds 14:48 < dongcarl> correct me if I'm wrong 14:49 < cfields> gitian, you mean? 14:49 < dongcarl> cfields: yes 14:50 < cfields> dongcarl: sounds about right, i haven't looked lately though 14:51 < dongcarl> cfields: gimme a bit, gunna dump a writeup in a sec 14:51 < cfields> dongcarl: does passing -c to sh/bash help at all? 14:51 < cfields> ok 14:51 -!- Randolf [~randolf@S010668725181be68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 14:52 < dongcarl> cfields: sipa recommended that I talk to you about this. I've been looking into making 14:52 < dongcarl> gitian more robust over the last few days and was wondering what you and others would t 14:52 < dongcarl> hink of these possible changes. I refer to the container actually building the Bitcoin 14:52 < dongcarl> binary as the "build container" and the host/container running the aforementioned conta 14:52 < dongcarl> iner the "container host." 14:52 * dongcarl shakes head at tmux 14:53 < dongcarl> 1. Using vagrant to spin up a "container host" with a provisioner to spin up a "build container." This is similar to what is done for zcash (https://github.com/zcash/zcash-gitian). This solution has the advantage of not breaking existing builds and being easy to implement, but wastes cycles for containerization/virtualization. 14:53 < dongcarl> 2. Replacing gitian's direct interfacing with LXC and KVM with vagrant. As in, let vagrant handle communicating with its provider (LXC, KVM, VirtualBox, VMWare, etc.), and gitian will interface with vagrant. This solution has the advantage of wasting less cycles, but it might break existing builds, and a slight annoyance is relying on third party repos to code up the integration between vagrant 14:53 < dongcarl> and the provider of choice, but looking through the ones people would use (e.g. vagrant-lxc) it seems like they're well maintained. 14:53 < dongcarl> 3. Same as #2 but have libvirt instead of vagrant. 14:53 < dongcarl> sorry about that folks 14:53 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 14:55 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55 < cfields> dongcarl: it's worth mentioning up front that there are some other build changes in the works that simplify what gitian is responsible for 14:57 < cfields> regardless, #2 sounds reasonable to me 14:57 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub 14:57 < sipa> from what i hear, it sounds like we may end up relying on a pre-built image somehow 14:58 < cfields> dongcarl: I'm working on a process that builds deterministic toolchain and rootfs for us to use. In theory, gitian isn't even necessary. But in practice, we'll need a very thin wrapper that just runs a script and gathers the results 14:59 < sipa> cfields: how far along are you with that? 14:59 < cfields> sipa: pre-built image? 14:59 < sipa> i was assuming that may not happen overnight 15:00 < cfields> sipa: I was on a roll for a while, but then got stuck working on static pie for gcc. I think I could have it up and going relatively quickly if it's holding up progress. 15:00 < sipa> hmmm, static pie 15:00 < cfields> haha 15:01 < dongcarl> cfields: so sort of like what coreboot does? 15:01 < sipa> cfields: am i right that this would mean we can build deterministic binaries just from depends make, without any vm? 15:01 < cfields> I only mentioned the toolchain stuff because Mark mentioned reworking gitian a while back, and his plans would've conflicted 15:02 < cfields> sipa: correct. The only variables are the running kernel and filesystem 15:02 < cfields> dongcarl: I'm not familiar 15:02 < sipa> cfields: what do you mean by variables? 15:02 < cfields> sipa: sorry, sources of non-determinism 15:02 < sipa> hmm, how so? 15:03 < sipa> how does the filesystem matter? 15:03 < sipa> order it lists files etc? 15:03 < cfields> yup 15:03 < cfields> I'm hoping to just slowly patch those things upstream as they arise 15:04 < dongcarl> so we'll end up needing some sort of container to normalize that anyways? I'm trying to decide whether or not I should spend time on solution no. 2 right now... 15:04 < sipa> well that sounds like a major improvement over what we have 15:04 < cfields> gcc/binutils is in good shape these days. busybox is the one I'm unsure about 15:05 < sipa> it would also let us pin a particular gcc version more easily, without depending on what's available in a particular build env 15:05 < cfields> dongcarl: realistically yes, I think 15:05 < arubi> cfields, you've seen landley's mkroot right? 15:06 < cfields> sipa: yes, very much so. Our own config as well. the stupid mingw-w64 thread issue is a good example of how we're at the mercy of Ubuntu atm 15:07 < sipa> cfields: do you have any idea about realistic timelines on the self-built compiler environment stuff? 15:07 < cfields> sipa: just for using locally or for actually building releases? 15:08 < dongcarl> actually building? 15:08 < dongcarl> does sound cool 15:08 < sipa> cfields: i'd say something in between, as in "actually usable for building releases if we wanted to" 15:08 < sipa> even if we don't immediately decide to switch to it 15:09 < cfields> sipa: .17 seems reasonable... 15:09 < dongcarl> cfields: do you have a repo up somewhere where I can also take a look and contribute? 15:09 < cfields> sipa: I think the biggest issue is that I'm targetting gcc 8.1, which hasn't even been released yet. And I'm sure we want to wait for some hardening 15:10 < cfields> dongcarl: not atm, but I can push something up in a week or two 15:11 < dongcarl> cfields: that would be fantastic, I'd love to help get it across the line in whatever way I can 15:11 < cfields> dongcarl: great :) 15:12 < cfields> dongcarl: thinking about it a bit, an abstraction around lxc/kvm/vbox/whatever is kinda just re-introducing the same non-determinism we're looking to avoid. 15:13 < dongcarl> cfields: how so? 15:13 -!- mirese_ [~mirese@2a02:1205:507c:3710:e0:c7cb:2f17:dafd] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:14 -!- Roben [~rwito@154.121.251.192] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:15 < cfields> dongcarl: presumably they'd all have different methods for creating the target image, meaning that each may have (for ex) a separate filesystem 15:16 < cfields> s/separate/differing/ 15:16 < dongcarl> cfields: well, actually, for vagrant they share the same image! 15:17 < sipa> cfields: gcc... 8? 15:17 -!- mirese [~mirese@2a02:1205:507c:3710:18e6:1443:332:2f6] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:18 < dongcarl> cfields: e.g. https://app.vagrantup.com/debian/boxes/jessie64/versions/8.7.0 15:18 < cfields> dongcarl: sure, but they'll still virtualize things differently. lxc may hit a real disk for files, for ex 15:18 < sipa> what in particular is in 8.1 that makes it attractive? 15:18 < cfields> sipa: I'm upstreaming fixes 15:18 < sipa> gotcha 15:18 -!- Roben [~rwito@154.121.251.192] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 15:18 < dongcarl> cfields: makes sense 15:18 < cfields> sipa: in particular, deterministic cross-libc bootstrap and static pie 15:19 < cfields> dongcarl: I'm not saying it can't work. Obviously it works now, because gitian can use kvm or lxc... 15:19 < sipa> but gcc 8 isn't even out yet? 15:19 < cfields> dongcarl: I was just making the point that it's kinda a lateral move in that sense 15:19 < cfields> sipa: heh, thank gcc's inane versioning scheme 15:20 < cfields> sipa: 8.0 is beta, 8.1 is final. 15:20 < dongcarl> cfields: right, and if we can finish this in .17, doesn't make sense to spend time on moving to that 15:20 < sipa> i see 15:20 < dongcarl> that = vagrant and no. 2 15:20 < cfields> dongcarl: right 15:21 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21 * dongcarl is excited for cfield's code to be pushed up 15:22 < cfields> dongcarl: basically, we're defining a reference system. We really can't get around that. So I'm apprehensive about attempts to abstract away the reference. 15:22 < cfields> Again, I realize that's what gitian does now. 15:22 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:23 < dongcarl> You're absolutely right. I think for my own building needs I'll just make my own version of no. 1 for now. Basically what's in the guides for virtualbox but with vagrant. Super easy to setup. 15:27 < cfields> sounds good 15:28 < cfields> dongcarl: what I'd be curious to see would be the thinnest possible wrapper on top of some vm. Just setup the cache, run the script, report the results 15:28 -!- quer [~quer@unaffiliated/quer] has quit [] 15:29 < dongcarl> cfields: check out the linked zcash README 15:29 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 < dongcarl> https://github.com/zcash/zcash-gitian 15:29 < dongcarl> uber-simple 15:29 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@99-59-126-62.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:29 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:29 < dongcarl> (not a big fan of the number of build dependencies tho) 15:30 -!- Randolf [~randolf@S010668725181be68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30 < cfields> well ours will have no dependencies, so that's easy 15:31 < dongcarl> woot woot 15:31 < cfields> hmm 15:32 < cfields> I guess using vagrant with some static config is no different from rolling our own, in terms of determinism 15:33 < gmaxwell> gitian abstracting away the reference mostly is just introducing significant insecurity and pretending we don't need to worry about it. 15:33 -!- larafale [~larafale@ax213-1-82-66-157-194.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:34 < dongcarl> cfields: true, but vagrant references boxes by name, not hashes, and those boxes can be maliciously built. 15:35 < dongcarl> cfields: what'd be nice is a script that builds the vagrant box (like gitian does with debootstrap) then launches it with a static config 15:35 < dongcarl> gmaxwell: Agreed. 15:36 < dongcarl> cfields: btw what did you mean by "rolling our own"? 15:36 < cfields> dongcarl: can we not just use a generic ubuntu-minimal image ? 15:37 < dongcarl> cfields: from ubuntu or from vagrant boxes? Vagrant has its own repository of pre-built boxes that are referred to by name that everyone uses. 15:37 < cfields> (I've never used vagrant, though I assume it's not hugely different from the other similar vm builders/launchers) 15:38 < dongcarl> so the "vagrant boxes" are supposed to just immediately spin up with no install process 15:38 < cfields> gmaxwell: the insecurity being "trusting ubuntu", you mean? 15:39 < cfields> dongcarl: by "rolling our own", I meant writing something like gitian 15:40 < cfields> dongcarl: I see. Looks like I need to read up. 15:40 < gmaxwell> cfields: right, and their ongoing updates. For users that already run ubuntu arguably there is not much increase in surface over what they already face, but that doesn't apply to people who run other things than ubuntu. 15:41 < cfields> gmaxwell: sure, completely agree. Just wanted clarification. 15:41 < gmaxwell> AFAIK we don't have any reason to think ubuntu's build process is particularly secure either, e.g. could be internet connected hosts that a hundred people have remote shell access on. 15:41 < gmaxwell> And certantly whatever it is, it runs a lot of effectively unreviewed potentially malicious code. 15:42 < dongcarl> cfields: yeah if we end up needing something to control the two variables you mentioned earlier, vagrant would probably work well with a fixed provider, static config, and building our own boxes instead of fetching from the repo. 15:42 < dongcarl> gmaxwell: :-/ 15:43 < gmaxwell> if or once we get to the point where our build process builds the same binaries when run from different systems at least we'll be able to crosscheck against something else, even if the standard build enviroment remains an ubuntu vm. 15:44 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 < dongcarl> gmaxwell: "where our build process builds the same binaries when run from different systems" <- as in when cfields finishes the work on unVM'd deterministic builds? 15:45 < gmaxwell> right. 15:46 < gmaxwell> I think it's likely though that the standard process for that will still have people use a standard vm image... just because it'll be a baseline system that we know works. 15:46 * dongcarl looks forward to the day when determinist builds work on FreeBSD 15:47 < dongcarl> gmaxwell: yeah, we were talking about that earlier, kernel and filesystem are the two variables that are most easily controlled by VMs I guess. 15:49 -!- rex_4539 [~textual@ppp-2-84-167-103.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:50 < cfields> gmaxwell: yes. So far I have a minimal rootfs that's capable of building bitcoin. It's basically just busybox/make/toolchain. Dealing with kernels is just too far out of scope, though. Ideally, we'd just boot some minimal image in a vm, chroot, and make 15:50 < gmaxwell> cfields: are you finding that the kernel and whatnot breaks determinism 15:50 < cfields> (that minimal rootfs build is deterministic and would first be built in gitian itself) 15:51 < cfields> gmaxwell: no, I was just enumerating the issues at play. Almost all issues we've had have come from filesystem. 15:51 < gmaxwell> ah good. 15:53 < cfields> dongcarl: I should think that fbsd deterministic builds would come pretty close to working as-is 15:54 < dongcarl> cfields: with virtualbox you mean? 15:54 < cfields> dongcarl: cross build from linux with gitian 15:55 < dongcarl> cfields: Oh. I mean, DOING deterministic builds from FreeBSD haha 15:55 < cfields> oh. why? :) 15:56 < dongcarl> cfields: Because... I'm a sadist who loves making things work on *BSD. 15:56 < gmaxwell> (1) because some people run it, and (2) hey, distinct build enviroment is better for crosschecking determinism. 15:56 < gmaxwell> But it's okay if people have to suffer to make it work. 15:57 < dongcarl> let's pretend I thought of (2) there 15:57 < dongcarl> next stop: plan 9 deterministic builds 15:57 < dongcarl> then: seL4 15:57 < gmaxwell> nah, build on AT&T unix on SIMH pdp11. :P 15:58 < dongcarl> <3 15:58 < cfields> sure, no complaints if someone wants to try 15:59 < cfields> I plan to attempt the same for osx, but just because I want to see where the differences end up coming from 15:59 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 < sipa> OS/2, please. 15:59 < gmaxwell> it would be kinda interesting if the project there were at least two distinct project recommended base VMs, and people were told to use one based on hashing their name. 16:00 < sipa> happy thursday 16:00 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:01 < gmaxwell> so then at least we'd have some amount of base diversity, without any offers to support crazy stuff. 16:02 < gmaxwell> "Why won't it bootstrap on BeOS???????" 16:06 < cfields> gmaxwell: I'd just feel honored to be the preimage for BeOS :p 16:08 < gmaxwell> I used to have a BeOS machine in jenkins CI for opus, it was interesting to test on because it made some pretty different calls from linux on optional extensions beyond pure posix. 16:08 < cfields> erm, when was this? 16:09 < gmaxwell> ten years ago. (it was long dead by then too, of course) 16:09 -!- dongcarl [~dongcarl@c-73-189-35-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:09 < cfields> ah, ok. I was trying to figure out the overlap between Jenkins and BeOS. 16:10 < gmaxwell> since jenkins uses java you can run most anything java will run on as a remote build target. 16:10 -!- Randolf [~randolf@69.166.112.240] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:18 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:19 -!- wxss [~user@93.190.142.42] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@99-59-126-62.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:26 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@99-59-126-62.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:27 -!- tn2or3 [~tn2or3@KD182251053164.au-net.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:33 -!- tn2or3 [~tn2or3@KD182251053164.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: tn2or3] 16:36 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:40 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:44 -!- Dizzle [~dizzle@108.171.182.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:44 < contrapumpkin> have y'all looked at the Nix builds of bitcoin at all? 16:44 < contrapumpkin> roconnor wrote most of them, but it's a nice baseline to start with 16:44 < sipa> i don't think they're deterministic? 16:44 < contrapumpkin> I don't think so either 16:45 < contrapumpkin> but it's a less heavyweight starting point than a VM for the determinism 16:45 < contrapumpkin> when all your inputs are effectively deterministic modulo meaningless shit 16:45 -!- neha [~narula@tbilisi.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:45 < sipa> contrapumpkin: i think we pretty much already have all that that does through the depends build system 16:46 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 16:47 -!- tn2or3 [~tn2or3@KD182251053164.au-net.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:49 -!- zivl [~zivl@2601:19a:837f:e4e1:1ab:2d37:75eb:310f] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:50 -!- tn2or3 [~tn2or3@KD182251053164.au-net.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 16:53 -!- neha [~narula@tbilisi.csail.mit.edu] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 16:58 < Randolf> contrapumpkin: I recently made a minor contribution by adding instructions for NetBSD support, and there were many developers who took an interest in what I was doing and helped to make it even better. 16:59 < Randolf> contrapumpkin: It seems to me that Unix/Linux support is very good, but I guess you've got some improvements in mind? (If so, great!) 17:01 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:11 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@99-59-126-62.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #12381: Remove more boost threads (master...boost-threads-again) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12381 17:25 -!- arbitrary_guy [~arbitrary@c-67-183-30-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:31 -!- Randolf [~randolf@69.166.112.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:34 -!- ProfMac [~ProfMac@2001:470:b8ac:0:21b4:7d68:3e24:2719] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:37 -!- ProfMac [~ProfMac@2001:470:b8ac:0:6922:8461:636d:3432] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 17:41 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43 -!- ProfMac [~ProfMac@2001:470:b8ac:0:6922:8461:636d:3432] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:45 -!- 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(master...2018-02-wait-genesis-exit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12367 23:46 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7217ea2cc8dd...36a927c52585 23:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2222bf0 MarcoFalke: qt: Poll ShutdownTimer after init is done 23:52 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 36a927c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12377: qt: Poll ShutdownTimer after init is done... 23:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12377: qt: Poll ShutdownTimer after init is done (master...Mf1802-qtInitShutdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12377 23:52 < sipa> woohoo 23:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/36a927c52585...11f3eac79334 23:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f5a4c3d Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Make sure splash screen is freed on AppInitMain fail... 23:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1e5d14b Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Clarify some comments... 23:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 11f3eac Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12374: qt: Make sure splash screen is freed on AppInitMain fail... 23:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12374: qt: Make sure splash screen is freed on AppInitMain fail (master...2017_02_splash_abort) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12374 23:57 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 23:58 -!- sengehest [~sengehest@188.81-166-37.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]