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00:41 < wumpus> yessss @ bitcoin-git
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00:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] osbc opened pull request #14099: Dev (master...dev) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14099
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00:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] osbc closed pull request #14099: Dev (master...dev) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14099
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02:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #14100: doc: Change documentation for =0 for non-boolean options (master...2018_08_nodoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14100
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02:53 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: please be really ,really careful about making things a catastrophic failure in network code
02:54 < wumpus> there's a huge chance of accidentally creating DoS vectors
02:59 < wumpus> (though, looking at the man page of select() I tend to agree; not sure it's the same on non-POSIX platforms though, select on windows is a different beast)
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05:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/13887f41f229...2ddce35abcb8
05:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1661a47 Chun Kuan Lee: add unicode compatible file_lock for Windows...
05:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ddce35 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13862: utils: drop boost::interprocess::file_lock...
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05:17 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13862: utils: drop boost::interprocess::file_lock (master...custom-filelock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13862
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06:00 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2ddce35abcb8...5924dadc2f2d
06:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e2ba043 251: Implements ParseNetwork unit test....
06:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a208d9 251: Implements custom tolower and toupper functions....
06:00 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b193d5a 251: Removes the Boost case_conv.hpp dependency....
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06:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13671: Remove the boost/algorithm/string/case_conv.hpp dependency (master...patch/remove_boost_case_conv.hpp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13671
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06:14 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5924dadc2f2d...b0eb8f7ed43e
06:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1d9aa00 Ben Woosley: Explicitly initialize prevector _union
06:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b0eb8f7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14028: Explicitly initialize prevector _union...
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06:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14028: Explicitly initialize prevector _union (master...prevector-explicit-initialization) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14028
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06:25 <@wumpus> can we please make a decision on what to to with tinyformat? either #13846 or #13845 or leave it as it is and close both
06:25 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13846 | Move src/tinyformat.h to src/tinyformat/tinyformat.h by Empact · Pull Request #13846 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:25 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13845 | Include tinyformat as a subtree by Empact · Pull Request #13845 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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06:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b0eb8f7ed43e...1361f8babcc1
06:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6af6d9b João Barbosa: test: Add tests for RPC help
06:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1361f8b MarcoFalke: Merge #14020: Add tests for RPC help...
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06:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14020: Add tests for RPC help (master...2018-08-test-help) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14020
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07:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1361f8babcc1...888acefa5ee1
07:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ddd395f MarcoFalke: Mark CTxMemPoolEntry members that should not be modified const
07:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fe5c497 MarcoFalke: tx pool: Use the entry's hash instead of the one passed to addUnchecked
07:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa58777 MarcoFalke: scripted-diff: Remove unused first argument to addUnchecked...
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07:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13792: tx pool: Avoid passing redundant hash into addUnchecked (scripted-diff) (master...Mf1808-constTxPoolEntries) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13792
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08:15 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/888acefa5ee1...4e9a6f87b7d2
08:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa309dc MarcoFalke: validation: Log FormatStateMessage on ConnectBlock error in ConnectTip
08:15 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4e9a6f8 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14097: validation: Log FormatStateMessage on ConnectBlock error in ConnectTip...
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08:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14097: validation: Log FormatStateMessage on ConnectBlock error in ConnectTip (master...Mf1808-validationLogError) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14097
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08:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky closed pull request #9381: Remove CWalletTx merging logic from AddToWallet (master...pr/atw-nomerge) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9381
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08:55 < leishman> I added an update to the wiki with a note about the txindex db migration: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/0.17.0-Release-notes#how-to-upgrade
08:56 < sipa> leishman: sgtm
08:57 < sipa> also, i notice the release notes don't mention scantxoutset yet
08:57 < sipa> (or i'm missing it)
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09:10 < leishman> yeah I don't see that either
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09:25 < marcinja> is getblockstats also new in 0.17?
09:26 < sipa> i think so!
09:32 < leishman> marcinja: is your feerate percentile stuff included in that as well?
09:34 < marcinja> leishman: yeah I think that change is considered a bug fix for getblockstats
09:34 < leishman> dope! Great work on that btw
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09:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #14101: qa: Use named args in validation acceptance tests (master...Mf1808-qaNamedArgsAcceptance) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14101
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11:33 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: I guess its good to know which peer supports what version of the p2p protocol _before_ you connect (in case of a non-compatible protocol).
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11:35 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: but dropping NODE_ENCRYPTED is possible... you can just try to perform the v2 handshake and reconnect (&continue with v1 protocol) if failed.
11:36 < sipa> that still requires remembering whether or not encryption succeeded, though
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11:41 < luke-jr> jonasschnelli: why can't the handshake occur over v1?
11:41 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: we would have to drag the legacy v1 protocol always with us
11:41 < jonasschnelli> Assume new software doesn't want to adopt the v1 protocol
11:41 < luke-jr> yes, so? we need that anyway
11:42 < luke-jr> it could be some minimal subset
11:42 < jonasschnelli> Also, the v2 handshake doesn't reveal "bitcoin traffic" (not very DPI resistant though)
11:42 < luke-jr> hm
11:42 < luke-jr> also, you don't *know* service bits until you connect
11:42 < luke-jr> so this seems an issue either way
11:42 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: IMO it doesn't make sense to handshake in v1 then upgrade to v2
11:42 < jonasschnelli> luke-jr: yes. Same with NODE_BLOOM, etc.
11:43 < jonasschnelli> But NODE_ENCRYPTED is something you lear if its working not from the VERSION message.:)
11:43 < jonasschnelli> *learn
11:43 < luke-jr> you get a guess at best
11:43 < jonasschnelli> Yes. Same witn NODE_NETWORK
11:43 < luke-jr> for bloom, that's still useful. not so much for encrpyted IMO
11:44 < sipa> luke-jr: you don't want to negotiate in v1 first
11:44 < sipa> that would defeat the purpose of not being recognizable as bitcoin traffic
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11:44 < luke-jr> sipa: okay, but that problem is unrelated to the service bit
11:45 < jonasschnelli> What sipa said with the disclaimer, that censorship-resistant is not the goal of BIP151
11:46 < sipa> luke-jr: then what do you suggest instead? always first try v2 negotiation, and disconnect/reconnect if it fails?
11:46 < sipa> luke-jr: that seems a gratuitous waste of time
11:47 < luke-jr> I'm not sure.
11:48 < luke-jr> probably not a waste of time long-term, though, considering that 99% of nodes run Core now :/
11:48 < sipa> i think this is a pretty good match for a service bit
11:49 < sipa> it's a property of the node itself, can be rumoured over the network, and is not a disaster if it's wrong
11:50 < sipa>  
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11:59 < jonasschnelli> sipa: for the ChaCha20Poly1305, do you think its sane to remove the second length-encryption key (chacha round) and instead use 4 bytes of the poly1305 key chacha round?
12:01 < sipa> jonasschnelli: i'd rather keep the two encryption streams separate, but just treat them as streams
12:01 < sipa> rather than reset the iv for every packet
12:02 < sipa> oh, i see
12:03 < sipa> you're saying instead use the auth's stream for the length encrpyption; hmm
12:03 < jonasschnelli> yes
12:03 < jonasschnelli> I'm not going to mess with the sequence number as IV
12:04 < jonasschnelli> there is currently an extra round for the 4bytes length: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14050/files#diff-58a94ae53d4f04a57e9dc33014a679eaR70
12:04 < luke-jr> sipa: but there's no reason for nodes to care in general
12:06 < sipa> luke-jr: i don't understand why not
12:06 < sipa> you need to know whhich protocol to use - otherwise you always have to try both
12:07 < echeveria> or bind a different port.
12:07 < sipa> plus i guess at some point nodes may start preferring encrypted connections
12:07 < echeveria> normal peers don’t use non 8333 ports ever.
12:07 < sipa> echeveria: in which case you still need a service flags to indicate that the other port is open
12:07 < echeveria> yep
12:08 < luke-jr> actually, protocol version might make sense for this?
12:08 < sipa> luke-jr: protocop version isn't known before connecting
12:08 < luke-jr> if we plan to deprecate the current one
12:08 < echeveria> luke-jr: key
12:08 < echeveria> kek
12:08 < luke-jr> I thought it was with the version messages, no?
12:08 < sipa> luke-jr: it's not in addr messages
12:08 < luke-jr> oh
12:09 < sipa> and the version message is only after setting up the encrypted connection
12:09 < luke-jr> well, whatever. I guess we can always "de allocate" it later if the old protocol is abandoned
12:09 < luke-jr> and we're not exactly short on service bits
12:09 < sipa> exactly
12:11 < gmaxwell> sipa: using the auth's stream for the length is apparently something the openssh things author considered but didn't so they could use unmodified library functions for the TLS thing.  This seems to be a pretty weak argument for slowing down short messages by 33%.
12:13 < luke-jr> I guess I just see service bits more for the make-it-or-break-it type stuff, where you will drop the peer entirely if they don't have it
12:13 < gmaxwell> "For more information on output descriptors, see the documentation at TODO
12:13 < gmaxwell> "
12:16 < sipa> luke-jr: well, it is; if you get it wrong, you need to disconnect (at which point you can choose to start over)
12:16 < sipa> gmaxwell: seems i forgot about that, and people didn't review the rpc help text changes...
12:18 < gmaxwell> the help text there is actually sufficient to use the function.
12:19 < sipa> it doesn't explain all the features, though
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12:21 < gmaxwell> thats true, but my point was that we can probably just remove that line for now.
12:22 < jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: do you have a link to the openssh protocol discussion of that auth-stream thing?
12:22 < gmaxwell> I linked sipa to it the other day, uh.. have to go searching since my irc client has been restarted.
12:23 < sipa> gmaxwell: I have a PR that adds documentation and changes tge link
12:23 < sipa> i thought that's why you  rought it up
12:23 < sipa> (sorry, phone in car typing)
12:23 < jonasschnelli> sipa: I'm not your mother, but that sounds dangerous. :)
12:24 < sipa> jonasschnelli: i'm  ot driving :D
12:24 < sipa> *not
12:24 < gmaxwell> sipa: oh no, I brought it up because I was using the rpc. :P
12:24 < jonasschnelli>  huh*.. glad you don't
12:25 < sipa> #14096
12:25 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14096 | Add reference documentation for descriptors language by sipa · Pull Request #14096 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
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13:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14083: bench: Fix thread sanitizer issue in AssembleBlock benchmark (master...Mf1808-benchAssembleBlockThread) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14083
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14:49 < reza> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yHN50SYq/
14:49 < reza> Hey everyone.
14:49 < reza> I had an idea for a Bitcoin wallet, i’d like to hear your thoughts about it.
14:49 < reza> To summarise, this wallet is a P2P-Multi-Sig wallet. Meaning that, Alice and Bob connect to each other and a multi-sig wallet is created between them. Whenever Alice or Bob wants to move the funds from that multi-sig they send each other an invoice which then they can approve or disapprove. 
14:49 < reza> Thoughts?
14:53 < promag> reza: this channel is bitcoin-core specific
14:54 < promag> I mean, specific to development of bitcoin-core
14:54 < reza> ok cool, thanks anyway
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23:12 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fingera opened pull request #14102: export der always compressed (master...3-export-der) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14102
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23:20 <@wumpus> huh
23:21 <@wumpus> why... create a PR like that without any motivation whatsoever
23:23 < Randolf> Looks like a bit of debug output added, plus changing use from a constant to a variable.  Using the constant seems to be a better choice to me because with the constant it's more clear what the compression mode is.
23:24 < Randolf> Oh, hang on, it's not debug output.  It's getting rid of a warning.  This PR seems pointless indeed.
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23:57 < ossifrage> Bloody fios had an outage and I lost my IP again, so much for having a well connected node :-(
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