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01:29 < fanquake> Maybe we can revisit #14091 later, but to many conflicts, and other merge issues at the moment.
01:29 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14091 | Minor style enhancement in documentation by fedsten · Pull Request #14091 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:47 < fanquake> I don't think #14090 is going to be merged as is, but I'd like to know why using QWinTaskbarProgress is a "bad idea".
01:47 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14090 | windows: show progress bar in task bar by alexeyneu · Pull Request #14090 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:48 < fanquake> wumpus #14129 is a trivial merge
01:48 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14129 | Trivial: update clang thread-safety docs url by Empact · Pull Request #14129 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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02:10 < wumpus> fanquake: yeap, merged
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03:38 < alexneudatchin> hi
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03:41 < wumpus> hi!
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03:45 < alexneudatchin> so 14090 is mine
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03:55 < alexneudatchin> fanquake: you need to understand that com objects may have several editions each. that qt stuff stick with sta i guess , where i use mta  
04:00 < sipa> alexneudatchin: ok, that's good to know. why is using sta a problem in this case?
04:01 < jonasschnelli> alexneudatchin: why not use QWinTaskbarProgress?
04:05 < jonasschnelli> I expect that a lot of functionality your are implementing in 14090 is already usable via the QT dependency: https://github.com/qt/qtwinextras/blob/5.11/src/winextras/qwintaskbarprogress.cpp
04:05 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/qt/qtwinextras/blob/5.11/src/winextras/qwintaskbarbutton.cpp
04:05 < alexneudatchin> mta could be used standalone coz it has own message engine.  
04:05 < alexneudatchin> 5 sec
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04:32 < alexneudatchin> haha yeah . last time i stumble upon qt it fails to provide even process handle so i need a workaround.It's not suiteble for serious stuff. Here you nedd to move all com-related stuff out of a source on none-windows and you'll fail to do it  
04:35 < sipa> alexneudatchin: what specific problems would result from using the qt wrappers?
04:35 < alexneudatchin> *during none-windows run
04:37 < as1nc> hello guys, i need testnet coins, and all the faucets i used before seems down, anyone willing to send me some testnet sats here mouKHkGkL6Z34csePF3WqvH1vWcyPHQgEA   thx very much
04:43 < alexneudatchin> again, my wallett address :  1MYjUaRJBgcqWXYvWsLhuA6e2Fs4jcpXTE 
04:45 < sipa> alexneudatchin: no begging, please
04:46 < sipa> and please respond to the review comments
04:49 < as1nc> sipa, hello Peter, by any chance, do u know if there is a pb on testnet ? i used to send myself testnet coins to test software I'm building, but now using electrum the tx get broadcasted, but never confirmed, even with high fee. I'm kinda stuck and don't know what i can do to keep testing . thx 
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04:49 < sipa> as1nc: i would suggest using regtest where possible; i don't have testnet coins available right nnow myself
04:51 < as1nc> yeah but i'm purposly building software that can play on testnet :) regtest would be local only. just asking :)
04:52 < as1nc> so hard to test stuff on bitcoin :)
04:54 < wumpus> as1nc: sure, I'll send some
04:55 < as1nc> thx a lot mate
04:55 < as1nc> can u use this address in fact mvR5dSks52r5DjQPNWMA8yyYuD595At8Q8
04:57 < wumpus> should be on the way
04:57 < as1nc> got it :)
04:59 < as1nc> I'll see if it's gets confirmed. but i think i have a problem, I'm using electrum, and recently none of the tx ever got confirmed
04:59 < as1nc> dont know if it's an electrum problem
04:59 < wumpus> could be, but also testnet can have some issues sometimes, it's not for nothing that sipa recommends using regtest
05:00 < as1nc> yeah i understand, but i'm bulding a service for user to accpet bitcoin via web interface providing only their extended public keys, and I really want to provide a testnet api
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05:00 < wumpus> yes, I understand
05:01 < as1nc> it use to work perfectly, but now it's broken
05:03 < as1nc> if it ever gets confirmed, i'll keep you posted, but i guess testnet does not work for now :(
05:05 < as1nc> do you guys knows any testnet miners ?
05:06 < wumpus> I don't know if there are any dedicated ones at all, it looks like people just dump hashpower onto testnet once in a while, probably when they want to test
05:06 < as1nc> wumpus, did you send the coin within bitcoin core, or another wallet ?
05:06 < wumpus> bitcoin core ofc
05:07 < as1nc> ok, would you mind keeping me posted if you see that tx confirmed ?
05:08 < as1nc> i guess i can just follow on a block explorer
05:09 < wumpus> yes, please baby-sit your own tx :)
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05:09 < as1nc> yeah :)
05:10 < as1nc> thx again
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05:15 < alexneudatchin> sipa:it's not free stuff moron
05:15 < as1nc> anyone here working with testnet ? i dont know why my tx never get confirmed, even with huge fees. anyone noticed ? 
05:16 < wumpus> as1nc: would be better to ask in #bitcoin, this channel is for bitcoin core development
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05:17 < as1nc> switching to #bitcoin right now :)
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05:45 < as1nc> wumpus: just to let you know i've figured out my problem, it was that the fees was to low, even thought i've put a huge fee, a guy told me the current testnet fees are 2807.8 sat/B
05:51 < wumpus> fee estimation is another non trivial thing on testnet
05:51 < wumpus> (it's not easy on mainnet either, but testnet is so unpredictable)
05:59 < as1nc> I learn everyday :) and that's great
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06:16 < fanquake> wumpus If that guy (who you just banned) is going to carry on, I'm inclined to close that PR. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14090#issuecomment-417929318
06:19 < wumpus> I'm also close to doing that, a language barrier is one thing but it doesn't give license to behave like an asshole
06:20 < wumpus> the guy is just impossible to collaborate with, ignores review comments, and calls people morons... well, we don't need that drama
06:21 < wumpus> I guess if it's worthwhile someone could pick up the code and go on with it but I don't know, seems it has plenty of problems too
06:27 < fanquake> wumpus I'll make a comment to that affect, and if the response is un-constructive I'll close the PR, and open an issue with implementing that feature.
06:31 < wumpus> thanks!
06:45 < fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14090#issuecomment-417931910
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07:33 < as1nc> wumpus, would you mind raising the fee of the testnet payment u sent me, it's 1 sat/b, and the current fees on testnet are really high, like at least 2800sat/b
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08:05 < sipa> wumpus: well if he wants to be paid for his PR, it's not even a matter of social conventions; i don't want to be in asituatiin where we somehow owe him
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09:27 < achow101> he appears to have made a death threat. I would say a ban from the github and a closing of the pr is the proper course of action
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10:48 < sipa> achow101: agree, but cant do that right now
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12:48 < wumpus> will do
12:50 < wumpus> FWIW I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning, but because of the language barrier I was willing to give him a chance, but you're right, this is wrong in many ways
12:51 < wumpus> anyhow ,blocked now 
12:53 < wumpus> the whole idea of contributing to an open source project and expecting the maintainers to pay you is absurd
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14:16 < gmaxwell> it's not like it was a particularly interesting contribution either. 
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22:18 < kallewoof> I'm amazed you guys let that go on for as long as it did.
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23:22 < wumpus> i was baffled, as in "it couldn't be *this* bad, right"
23:23 < wumpus> despite all the rumors about toxicity in bitcoin development we have really very little drama compared to other large projects
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23:34 < luke-jr> heh
23:34 < luke-jr> I wonder if it had gone further, if he would have demanded that payment is required for merging, via copyright stuff
23:35 < luke-jr> (which tbh wouldn't be an entirely terrible idea for open source, but it just isn't acceptable in the current practice)
23:35 < luke-jr> (thinking, if contributors and reviewers could put a $ amount on PRs, and then users paid to get them merged when ready)
23:36 < luke-jr> s/$/BTC/ obviously
23:37 < wumpus> there's the implicit requirement to submit a patch to an open source project, that it is available under the same license
23:38 < wumpus> so in any case, such a thing would have to be coordinated outside of github, beforehand
23:39 < wumpus> e.g. do a closed-source demo of something, and only if you have >X mBTC/$ in donations, release it as open source
23:40 < wumpus> I've seen this done for some music-related software, never for cryptocurrency things though :)
23:45 < wumpus> it works better if a development model revolves around plugins instead of patches
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23:49 < luke-jr> wumpus: I think it wouldn't work for us regardless, simply because of the review bottleneck
23:49 < wumpus> right
23:50 < wumpus> pay for review would be interesting, though also very corruption prone
23:52 < luke-jr> pay-for-review doesn't seem too unreasonable right now even, actually
23:52 < luke-jr> I wouldn't have any complaint with users posting bounties to get PRs they like reviewed sooner
23:53 < wumpus> I'd again prefer this to be coordinated outside github
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