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01:13 < giaki3003> Hello! I would like to have some more info on the debug executables Gitian spits out at the end of each build. How are they used?
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01:46 < jonasschnelli> giaki3003: they are compiled with debug flags... 
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01:47 < jonasschnelli> giaki3003: sorry,... more specific: the symbols are available there... gitian compiles with -O2 -g
01:48 < jonasschnelli> The non debug binaries go though contrib/devtools/split-debug.sh
01:49 < giaki3003> Okay, so are they meant to be used with the visual studio debugger? Or something like gdb?
01:49 < jonasschnelli> I'm not familiar with visual studio... but gdb, yes.
01:50 < jonasschnelli> I guess you can also symbolicate a stack trace with the non-debug version if you have the deterministic built debug version of the same build
01:51 < giaki3003> Great, because reading around I saw dbg files popped up as visual studio debugger files
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03:04 < luke-jr> I doubt Visual Studio can use them
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03:20 < fanquake> wumpus can you have a look at https://github.com/bitcoin-core/univalue/pull/11
03:21 < giaki3003> Thanks for the info
03:22 < giaki3003> Gdb complains about the .dbg files not being executable, already set 775 perms so not sure what is wrong
03:22 < giaki3003> What do you usually use for debugging?
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03:38 < wumpus> phantomcircuit: no, LogPrintf is not deprecated.
03:38 < wumpus> please, don't do so, either
03:40  * wumpus still remembers in the old bitcoin source, satoshi had remapped 'printf' with a macro, now that was confusing, but we should make a habit of switching around log function names that just adds to cognitive load
03:41 < wumpus> fanquake: yep!
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03:52 < _flow_> wumpus: jonasschnelli: regarding https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13621 again: I looked into adding further tests for this, but the tests that I already re-enabled (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13621/files#diff-2a344479dbbded9df5d6a4abde2cd48cL60) are exaclty what my PR tries to fix. The issue the PR addresses was the reason those tests got disabled in the first place. Anything
03:52 < _flow_> else I could do to help getting the PR merged?
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04:00 < wumpus> _flow_: will have a look
04:01 < wumpus> yes, I'm somewhat scared of that one
04:02 < _flow_> wumpus: Since I have looked at how bitcoind assembles its configuration and touched the code, I fully understand
04:03 < _flow_> The main issue is that the configuration is not assembled first and then validated, some things happen here and there
04:03 < wumpus> so as I've probably said in the PR, the reason no one dares to touch this stuff is because there are no exhaustive tests for all cases users might be relying on in practice
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04:03 < wumpus> if there were it would be easier to say that something is correct
04:04 < _flow_> yep, I hoped that re-activating previously disabled tests would be enough to green light my PR…
04:04 < wumpus> so in absence of me being truly convinced that this won't come back to haunt me later because someone's use-case broke, I'm kind of scared to touch it
04:05 < wumpus> I'm sorry to have to be like this, I really hate it too, but I want to be honest about it
04:05 < wumpus> yes, that does help !
04:06 < _flow_> no worries :)
04:07 < wumpus> and if everyone else agrees this is an improvement I'm willing to merge it of course, but I just haven't been able to look at it in detail and I'm not, myself, convinced I can think through all impilcations of it now
04:09 < _flow_> wumpus: MarcoFalke disabled the tests, would surely be interesting to hear his thoughts
04:09 < wumpus> yes!
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04:13 < _flow_> I've pinged him in the PR. We'll see what happens.
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04:13 < wumpus> hopefully we can get this in soon, would be good to have the behavior fixed (without breaking anything else :-) )
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07:22 < BlueMatt> github support mailed back last night and said they've fixed the 500 issues
07:22 < BlueMatt> so folks should probably email them again if you still see them anywhere
07:23 < provoostenator> They mailed me as well and mine works again.
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07:48 < ken2812221> Hope that someone can review #14009, functional tests for Windows are enabled on Appveyor.
07:48 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14009 | Simple refactoring: Common code for decoding of hex "objects" by domob1812 · Pull Request #14009 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
07:48 < ken2812221> wrong PR. should be #14007
07:48 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14007 | tests: Run functional test on Windows and enable it on Appveyor by ken2812221 · Pull Request #14007 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:51 < phantomcircuit> wumpus, indeed
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11:42 < cfields> jonasschnelli: gentle detached sig reminder for 0.17.0rc3
11:43 < jonasschnelli> cfields: thanks.. will submit in a couple mins
11:44 < provoostenator> *SSHing into Gitian machine, fingers above enter key...*
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11:46 < cfields> jonasschnelli: no rush. I've already pushed mine. I have to head out soon, so feel free to merge and tag if you're comfortable. Otherwise I'll check later tonight.
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11:48 < jonasschnelli> cfields: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs/pull/12
11:52 < cfields> jonasschnelli: thanks!
11:59 < cfields> gitian builders: v0.17.0rc3 detached sigs are pushed
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12:22 < jl2012> is there a reason why it uses "!!" here?: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1106 
12:23 < sipa> jl2012: no
12:24 < jl2012> sipa: I assume you wrote this?
12:25 < sipa> i believe i did
12:25 < sipa> i guess it was to make the conversion to a bool explicit
12:27 < jl2012> I see.....
12:27 < provoostenator> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f5857e5cb5fb03bee9c05d1dd6ba2621cac49179
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19:05 < Chris_Stewart_5> wumpus: It might be best to just merge #12775 and do the build stuff in a subsequent PR
19:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12775 | Integration of property based testing into Bitcoin Core by Christewart · Pull Request #12775 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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19:08 < gmaxwell> jl2012: !! is an ideomatic way to covert a value into 0/1 in C/C++
19:08 < gmaxwell> (esp pre-C99 when there wasn't a native bool type)
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20:13 < wumpus> yes, unfortunately !! is ideomatic C...
20:13 < wumpus> Chris_Stewart_5: ok!
20:14 < wumpus> C allows you even to make mistakes with booleans, it stays baffling how people get shit done with it
20:18 < gmaxwell> well where you need a value to become a 0 or 1 (e.g. turning a cast into a value for a logical operation) I don't think !! is worse than sticking a bool cast in the middle of a statement.
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20:19 < wumpus> I'd say bool(x) conveys the meaning slightly better than !!x
20:21 < sipa> but it's 4 characters longer!!
20:21 < sipa> i mean
20:21 < sipa> but it's 4 characters longerbool()
20:21 < wumpus> ahhhhhhhhh
20:21 < wumpus> true, I mean bool(382472487)
20:22 < sipa> aha
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20:28 < wumpus> at least it's defined, they could have done "it's implementation dependent, on some architectures it will be 0 as true and !=0 as false", after all some architectures might want to optimize for bash!
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21:23 < luke-jr> wumpus: exit codes aren't booleans though
21:25 < wumpus> luke-jr: sure, exit codes aren't, but it does treat all boolean operations as if working with exit codes
21:25 < gmaxwell> XKCD386' = someone's /joke/ was wrong on the internet.
21:25 < wumpus> hehe
21:25 < sipa> Munroe's Law?
21:26 < luke-jr> XD
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