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08:39 < achow101> can someone tell practicalswift to stop spamming with whatever linter tool he's using?
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13:26 < aj> achow101: the latest reports mention cpplint; and yeah. could be nice to have them when new PRs are filed, but spacing issues in ones that have been around for months and already have acks...
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15:30 < gmaxwell> While constructing a test case for the inflation bug, my first attempt did nothing because of making exactly this kind of mistake: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14300/commits/ba923e32a0c03fcbb6ffe317580fd1d04669ce71
15:31 < gmaxwell> Is there any way to make it so that this sort of error can't happen?
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15:33 < gmaxwell> Who are our resident python experts, in any case?
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15:48 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: there is a way, but it might be a pain
15:48 < luke-jr> I'm not sure this is the best way, but we could have a __setattr__ that refuses to add after some initialisation point
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16:01 < harding> I'm not a python expert and I don't have any general suggestions, but it does seem to be that a method named "rehash" could probably be extended to fail if the new hash is the same as the old hash.
16:01 < gmaxwell> I'm not sure if anyone else has had the same problem, but since I just encoutnered it and there appears to be a standing one there, it might be worth fixing.
16:02 < gmaxwell> maybe we need to get forrestv back into bitcoin, guy was a wizard with overly complex python things. :P
16:03 < gmaxwell> We should also do more work to make sure the tests work correctly... but I think that is high effort enough that it shouldn't be the only mechenism to avoid that kind of screwup.
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16:06 < promag> https://docs.python.org/3/reference/datamodel.html#slots
16:08 < luke-jr> I've confirmed the most recent email I received from the announcement email list, was the announcement for 0.16.1
16:08 < luke-jr> so either nobody sent one since then, or it's broken, or it's forgetting subscribers :/
16:08 < gmaxwell> something is broken then, because I had wladimir confirm the 0.16.3 announcement went there.
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16:09 < luke-jr> someone on Twitter did mention they were unable to subscribe :/
16:09 < gmaxwell> I have no idea how that lists works or who set it up.
16:09 < luke-jr> btcdrak IIRC
16:09 < luke-jr> something called "sendy"
16:09 < gmaxwell> (well I would have guessed...)
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16:20 < harding> Investigating Sendy, it's apparently proprietary list management software that you run on your own server and connect to Amazon's MTA.  It seems like the list management service is operational but the MTA is not.
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16:49 < achow101> gmaxwell: something like https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3603502/prevent-creating-new-attributes-outside-init
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16:55 < luke-jr> harding: hmm, someone else on Twitter just said they did get the announce
16:55 < luke-jr> so whatever it is, seems to be partly working
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16:59 < gmaxwell> luke-jr: perhaps next time you see a problem you raise it as a concern instead of being vaguely insulting about it on twitter.  I'd prefer to not get called incompetent by cobra again, especially over something where there isn't anything I could improve. :)
17:00 < luke-jr> gmaxwell: I did raise it as a concern here over a day earlier..
17:01 < luke-jr> not sure why he's calling you incompetent; as you say, you had nothing to do with it O.o
17:01 < gmaxwell> 18:58 < achow101> luke-jr: there was an announcement for it
17:02 < gmaxwell> I dunno I get called incompetent because of things random people I've never heard of before on twitter says too.  People can't grok decenteralization, so apparently every participant is the bitcoin project is jointly and severally responsible for everything every supporter says. or something. :P
17:03 < luke-jr> XD
17:03 < gmaxwell> though it sucks more when its the guy controlling bitcoin.org doing it.
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17:20 < harding> luke-jr: I've tried several times and even screwed around with the form parameters and HTTP headers, and I can't get it to send me a sign-up email or emit any debugging information, so I'm pretty sure the software is some kind of broke or another.  I'll email btcdrak to see if there's something simple he can kick if he's around.
17:20 < luke-jr> :/
17:23 < harding> kanzure: is the bitcoin-dev mailing list being migrrated to another host?  If so, do you think it'd also be able to support an -announce list that only supported sending from the mailman moderator interface?
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17:30 < Emcy> all devs who were as ever incredibly responsive with handling the recent bug and getting a patch out quickly, thank you guys. Your effort is apprecieted by me and lots of others very much, keep on trucking
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17:42 < promag> Emcy: +1
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17:50 < kanzure> mailing list drtails are still in flux, testing some new options soon
17:52 < kanzure> someone was unabale to subscribe to -dev the other day for the same reason nobody was able to approve emails in the mod queue, has since been resolved by unspecified warren action
17:53 < kanzure> i dunno details about existing -announce
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17:57 < harding> kanzure: I don't know anything myself except what I can observe from the public site, but if it's not being maintained by btcdrak, it may need to be migrated.  I sent him an email; I'll let you know if it's in need of a new host in case that would dovetail with the -dev list stuff.  Alternatively, it could probably be set up with whatever service delivers the weekly optech newsletters.
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18:26 < jarthur> We don't support Python 2 for the functional tests, right?
18:29 < sipa> not anymore
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20:01 < jarthur> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14305  for better or worse, the only other mis-named attribute I could find was in the same functional test module. Included that in the fix, but avoided the one already covered in #14300.
20:01 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14300 | test: Fix broken segwit test by practicalswift · Pull Request #14300 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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20:18 < achow101> jarthur: nice!
20:18 < jarthur> Travis will be broken until the other one is merged, but if needed, I can merge theirs into mine.
20:22 < gmaxwell> jarthur: Freeking awesome.
20:22 < gmaxwell> especially that it found another mistake.
20:22 < achow101> jarthur: you can do the "built on top of pr" thing. so your change is based on that pr and can then be rebased once it is merged
20:22 < achow101> it makes it easier to review if you do that so that the tests actually pass when people check it out for review
20:23 < jarthur> achow101: as in re-base my branch on his, or is there a fancier way of doing that in the PR?
20:24 < achow101> jarthur: just rebase your branch on his
20:24 < jarthur> Cool, will do when I get back, gotta pick up some food.
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