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01:12 < jamesob> can someone review/merge this so that python linting works in-editor? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13649
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01:30 < promag> review/merge #14291? thanks!
01:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14291 | wallet: Add ListWalletDir utility function by promag · Pull Request #14291 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:33 < MarcoFalke> imo needs one or two more acks by wallet people
01:38 < promag> MarcoFalke: sure, you can leave your thoughts as well
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03:19 < jonasschnelli> cfields: how can I copy a file in automake.am?
03:20 < jonasschnelli> I just want to copy contrib/macdeploy/DS_Store to the DMG volume /.DS_Store
03:20 < jonasschnelli> somehow this does not work: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14416/files#diff-c949f93d03f44a4217d7a138f9e2e54aR144
03:20 < jonasschnelli> (maybe anyone else can do the magic with automake)
03:24 < booyah> fyi I noticed reports of corrupted storage (chain etc) seem to went up. But maybe it is just people started to test on very low end (unstable) hardware, most were like usb hdd on rpi dunno
03:25 < jonasschnelli> SSD, SDCard, leveldb is not made for sudden power loss and people just unplug RPI and similar machines.
03:26 < jonasschnelli> There is though a great concept of hardlinking levelDB files to create a utxo set backup in case you corrupt it.
03:26 < jonasschnelli> It needs a shutdown but can be automated (every night or so).
03:26 < jonasschnelli> Since its hardlinks, it won't consume to much space
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03:51 < promag> jonasschnelli: something like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/ee22a13c581f0accf0f627081bd6d6bbb4bf6d5b/Makefile.am#L89-L91 ?
03:52 < jonasschnelli> promag: thanks. In that context, does $(MKDIR_P) $(@D) create the $(OSX_APP)/Contents folder?
03:52 < jonasschnelli> What is $(INSTALL_DATA)? A pure "cp"?
03:53 < promag> dunno, I was just looking around
03:53 < promag> I can try thou
03:54 < jonasschnelli> let me try.. thanks
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04:03 < promag> jonasschnelli: looks like $(INSTALL_DATA) does what you want https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Command-Variables.html
04:04 < jonasschnelli> Looks like. Thanks \o
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07:32 < promag> is there a better way of changing depends flags other than changingm, for instance, depends/packages/libevent.mk?
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08:02 < jcorgan_> so here's a little oddness from the REST interface when retrieving block headers. Depending on the number of headers at a time one requests, there is a nearly 27x difference in performance to sync the entire chain.
08:02 < jcorgan_> https://pastebin.com/3jSqJqad
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08:04 < jcorgan> GET /rest/headers/1020/xxxx.bin, successively repeated until all of them are retrieved, gets 16.3Mbps over localhost
08:04 < jcorgan> do the same thing but use 1021 at a time, and you get 346Mbps 
08:05 < jcorgan> not really going to spend too much time figuring it out, but it was a surprise
08:08 < sipa> jcorgan: that... makes no sense whatsoever
08:09 < jcorgan> it's deterministically repeatable here
08:15 < sipa> are there other numbers where such a discrepancy is observable?
08:16 < jcorgan> i haven't tried to many other ones, but random spot checking it looks like a step function above and below that
08:16 < jcorgan> it tops out at 1900 or so before the REST interface barfs
08:17 < jcorgan> ok, its network related, when i do the same over GbE the step is at 1000/1001
08:18 < jcorgan> take that back, i misread
08:19 < jcorgan> i can't find a discontinuity over GbE
08:19 < jcorgan> seems consistent at about 250Mbps
08:20 < jcorgan> over GbE it's somewhat linear between n=500 @ 136Mbps and n=1900 @ 311Mbps, with a flat region in the middle
08:23 < jcorgan> a real engineer would instrument this and provide you a pretty graph and histograms :)
08:24 < sipa> nah, a real engineer woukd realize that syncing at 15 Mbps is pr9bably sufficient for the application at hand, and stop worrying about it
08:25 < jcorgan> pretty much. when i have other work to do and i need to procrastinate, i'll come back to this one
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14:40 < bralyclow> hi everyone, not a development question, but no one can/will answer in #bitcoin, was the New button on the Receiving Addresses screen removed in macOS version of 0.17.0 bitcoin core node gui, it is not there any longer, still on the Send Addresses screen to create a new one there, but not on Receiving Address screen?
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15:32 < promag> bralyclow: the button was removed in #12721
15:33 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12721 | Qt: remove "new" button during receive-mode in addressbook by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #12721 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
15:34 < promag> I'm the only one annoyed by Apollo1993 comments?
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15:48 < tradermyx> promag: I see none.
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17:48 < meshcollider> promag: it seems like that is the only one he has commented on
17:48 < meshcollider> other than one review and one utACK on other PRs
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18:13 < phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, i believe leveldb is designed to survive sudden power loss
18:13 < phantomcircuit> however in general the rpi series of hardware randomly corrupts sdcards
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18:17 < gmaxwell> echoing what phantomcircuit said, I left a system going on a perpetual reindex loop for months with a remote power switch killing the system every one in a while, and never corrupted anything.
18:18 < gmaxwell> but if your SD card or whatever goes spamming nonsense in unrelated places when its power cut during a write than nothing reasonable is going to save it.
18:19 < esotericnonsense> so unless i'm just being really daft one issue with RPi is that it's not obvious that it's even off.
18:20 < esotericnonsense> on my RPi2 if you issue a shutdown then the LEDs etc. externally look the same whether it's fully booted but not doing anything, or shutdown but with power connected.
18:20 < esotericnonsense> if you have say, a screen connected to i2c it'll keep power and persist whatever was displayed on it
18:21 < esotericnonsense> i wouldn't be surprised if people (including me) without even knowing pull the plug whilst it's mid-write because there is no 'simple' way of knowing you can unplug power now
18:22 < phantomcircuit> esotericnonsense, the issue with the rpi's isn't so much about sudden power off without shutdown events, but rather that during power off they seem to write gibberish to the sdcard randomyl
18:22 < esotericnonsense> nice. don't think i've ever had that but then, i wouldn't know. :P
18:22 < phantomcircuit> i've seen systems where everything was set readonly come back up with corrupt sdcards
18:23 < phantomcircuit> and yeah most of the time you wouldn't notice because it's corrupted something irrelevant
18:23 < esotericnonsense> i have zfs on an sdcard here. haven't tried scrubbing it. that might be fun. not on the rpi though. can't be arsed.
18:25 < phantomcircuit> the rpi's specifically seem to trash sdcards
18:25 < phantomcircuit> i honestly have no idea why
18:30 < gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: I dunno if that's rpi's fault as much as just SDcards being ... consumer hardware.
18:33 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i've had it happen with cards that were fine in other applications
18:33 < phantomcircuit> like in an apu2 as the main filesystem where i forgot to reduce the volume of log messages
18:34 < phantomcircuit> but then that card instantly failed in an rpi3
18:34 < TD-Linux> rpi runs its cards at 3.3v
18:34 < TD-Linux> so they tend to run hotter than systems that crank it down to 1.8v
18:34 < TD-Linux> that said, 3.3v is totally in spec.
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18:41 < jb55> my rpi has killed like 3 sdcards so far
18:43 < TD-Linux> it also does help to get more expensive ones in my experience.
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18:47 < tradermyx> If the "wallet/blabla.dat" part is used for a non-wallet-specific call, it will still work, right? The "documentation" is very vague on this, but I don't wanna have to keep track of what kind of call it is for no good reason.
18:48 < tradermyx> And I assume only the basename() is to be used for the "wallet name", since it can now be a path since v0.17?
18:48 < sipa> tradermyx: what do you mean with "usin" part of a wallet name on a non-wallet-sprcific call?
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18:50 < phantomcircuit> sipa, iirc bitcoin-cli accepts a -- style parameter
18:53 < tradermyx> No... Talking about the API.
18:53 < tradermyx> With the RPC URL having that added to it.
18:54 < sipa> tradermyx: all non-wallet RPCs are included in the wallet-specific URLs
18:55 < tradermyx> Good...
18:55 < phantomcircuit> ooh
18:55 < phantomcircuit> hmm maybe that's what bitcoin-cli is doing
18:56 < sipa> phantomcircuit: yes, if you specify -rpcwallet it changes the URL
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19:09 < phantomcircuit> sipa, are people still in tokyo?
19:11 < sipa> yes
19:11 < kanzure> discussing wallet stuff at the moment
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19:26 < echeveria> TD-Linux: better advice is just not to try to run bitcoind on a RPI in general, it’s a miserable experience and doesn’t really serve any purpose. coin selection alone takes tens of seconds.
19:27 < echeveria> it’s something close to a denial of service attack on the network to have people encouraged to run garbage-tier listening peers. god forbid you end up with them as your compact blocks peer.
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19:39 < TD-Linux> echeveria, dunno, I'll take it over an aws node
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21:14 < MarcoFalke> wumpus: I put up a draft for the next release schedule #14438
21:14 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14438 | Release schedule for 0.18.0 · Issue #14438 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
21:14 < MarcoFalke> Hope that works and let me know if I typoed the dates
21:15 < luke-jr> I prefer 0.18, but I thought the plan was to do an 18.0?
21:19 < MarcoFalke> luke-jr: See #9653 ;)
21:19 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9653 | Versioning convention for Bitcoin Core · Issue #9653 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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22:01 < tradermyx> When is the 0.17 documentation coming?
22:03 < luke-jr> when you add it
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22:07 < provoostenator> tradermyx: you mean https://bitcoincore.org/en/doc/ ? There's a PR in progress for that, which probably needs review: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/618
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22:34 < tradermyx> provoostenator: Somebody told me that it's automatically generated from the in-application help data.
22:34 < tradermyx> provoostenator: Which makes me wonder why it's not up instantly and automatically after 0.17 was released.
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22:36 < sipa> tradermyx: there is a tool to generate the website from the rpc output
22:36 < sipa> that tool is not run automatically
22:37 < sipa> it'sjsut some guy (karelb) doing it
22:38 < karelb> indeed 
22:39 < karelb> there is a PR on bitcoincore.org now
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22:52 < tradermyx> That is very strange.
22:52 < tradermyx> Should be part of the "release script" or "build process" or whatever.
22:52 < tradermyx> It's little things like this that makes me worried/concerned about the future of Bitcoin.
22:52 < tradermyx> (Not "whining"...)
22:53 < tradermyx> The actual program seems to have tons of improvements and stuff.
22:53 < tradermyx> As if there are really people working to improve it.
22:53 < midnightmagic> ... I wish you'd just pick a nickname and stick with it, dude.
22:53 < tradermyx> It's been enormously tricky to figure out how to "integrate" with the Bitcoin Core API, though.
22:54 < gwillen> tradermyx: that kind of thing is practical in a commercial envrionment where the same people have universal permissions across everything involved in making a release
22:54 < gwillen> that kind of automation is not very practical in an open source release process
22:54 < tradermyx> I guess.
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22:56 < gmaxwell> "perform more release work in secret and without public participation, please, so that no one can see that all steps aren't executed perfectly at the same time... as the centerally adminstered reveal would make it all look atomic and instant..."
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23:06 < aj> gmaxwell: ?
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23:09 < karelb> tradermyx: yeah I have added the rpc docs into the release process recently.
23:11 < karelb> it could maybe be automated by travis or Jenkins or something like that, maybe? 
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23:31 < phantomcircuit> karelb, i dont so much reason since the help is in the very tool people are trying to use
23:32 < karelb> true but... sometimes people just google stuff
23:32 < karelb> like me :)
23:33 < karelb> I often Google stuff even if it would be simpler to just type "help" (or "man")
23:34 < tradermyx> Nobody with a brain would do that.
23:34 < tradermyx> Stop promoting that evil fucking company and their shitty spam generator.
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23:34 < karelb> ....ok
23:35 < karelb> anyway, you can also think "hmm the new bitcoind has some new PSBT API, I want to know how it looks like before I install it"
23:36 < karelb> "I wonder what the new scanutxoset is about" 
23:36 < karelb> etc
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