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01:52 < promag> wumpus: #14670 XD
01:52 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14670 | http: Fix HTTP server shutdown by promag · Pull Request #14670 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:52 < promag> IMO either we merge this in this early stage, or postpone after 0.18
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02:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 closed pull request #14489: refactor: Drop boost::thread and boost::chrono (master...interruptible-thread) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14489
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04:42 < stevenroose> kallewoof: you here?
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07:38 < joiflores> Hi
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07:40 < joiflores> I don
07:42 < joiflores> I know this channel is to discuss Bitcoin development, I am not a developer but I would like to talk with some developer about an issue
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07:45 < phantomcircuit> joiflores, no
07:46 < joiflores> :(
07:46 < molz> joiflores, you can talk about your issue in channel #bitcoin, let's hear it there 
07:47 < joiflores> thank you
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08:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #13168: Thread names in logs and deadlock debug tools (take 2) (master...2018-05-threadnames-take-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13168
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08:09 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14231: travis: Save cache even when build or test fail (master...travis-save-cache-on-error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14231
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08:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13413: [net,mempool] Call AcceptToMemoryPool() asynchronously in p2p (master...mempool-async) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13413
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08:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #12934: [net] [validation] Call ProcessNewBlock() asynchronously (master...module-isolation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12934
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08:37 < dongcarl> Taking on #14792 if no one else wants it
08:37 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14792 | rpc_bind tests failing locally for ipv6 and nonloopback · Issue #14792 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
08:45 < Coin_> help
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08:52 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #12274: http: avoid fd exhaustion (master...http-fd-limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12274
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08:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #10794: Add simple light-client mode (RPC only) (master...2017/07/spv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10794
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09:01 < MarcoFalke> Anything left for 0.17.1?
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09:06 < luke-jr> fixing getbalance last I checked, but I'm about to fly
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09:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #14861: tests: Modify rpc_bind to conform to #14532 behaviour. (master...2018-12-fix-rpc-bind-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14861
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09:20 < MarcoFalke> luke-jr: They needed rebase (both on master and 0.17), so I moved them to 0.17.2 for now
09:20 < MarcoFalke> I don't have a strong opinion on those, but it seems rushed to push them into 0.17.1
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09:21 < luke-jr> frankly seems like it should have been a blocker for 0.17.0 :/
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10:14 < MarcoFalke> Agree that it would've been nicer if the issue was found earlier, but can't undo that now
10:15 < MarcoFalke> I think there is some disagreement on how to fix the issue exactly and there seems to be more risk in fixing it rushed than postponing it to 0.17.2
10:15 < MarcoFalke> We'd just preserve the behavior from 0.17.0 to 0.17.1, so at least it isn't getting worse
10:17 < luke-jr> true
10:18 < MarcoFalke> sipa: #14780 needs rebase. Is there a downside in moving it to 0.17.2?
10:18 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14780 | PSBT backports to 0.17 by sipa · Pull Request #14780 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:20 < MarcoFalke> It is the last thing in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/39
10:23 < sipa> MarcoFalke: rebasing now
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11:03 < stevenroose> sipa: you here? :)
11:04 < stevenroose> I asked a question on Rocket, but more general I can ask here too: basically how does the validation queue logic work
11:04 < stevenroose> ?
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13:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #14862: [doc] chain: Declare BLOCK_VALID_HEADER unused (master...Mf1812-validationDocBLOCK_VALID_HEADER) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14862
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15:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #14863: refactor: Add and use HaveTxsDownloaded() where appropriate (master...Mf1812-docNchainTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14863
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18:36 < gwillen> is there a document or a cohesive policy on how exceptions are used in Core? I am refactoring stuff out of RPC handlers so it can be used in the GUI, and it throws exceptions with descriptive text for the RPC server to return.
18:36 < gwillen> and I'm not sure what to do with them. I can convert them to more generic exceptions, but I assume throwing exceptions out into UI code would do something bad.
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18:43 < mryandao> bitcoind uses whatever libsnappy that's provided through the host system yes?
18:43 < mryandao> libsnappy being a dependency of leveldb.
18:45 < gmaxwell> bitcoind doesn't use libsnappy at all.
18:48 < sipa> mryandao: no, our own fork of leveldb has libsnappy support disabled to simplify dependencies
18:48 < sipa> if you build against system leveldb, it will still disable libsnappy at runtime
18:48 < gmaxwell> (also because libsnappy hurt performance for us IIRC)
18:49 < mryandao> ah thank you for that.
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20:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl opened pull request #14864: test: Run scripted-diff in subshell (master...2018-12-unset-commit-script-check) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14864
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20:43 < dongcarl> Looking at our shell scripts... I see a lot of fragile syntax that shellcheck would pick up on. Is it an acceptable PR to refactor those scripts to conform to shell script best pratices?
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20:53 < gwillen> dongcarl: maybe step 1 is to propose a change to the coding guidelines to use shellcheck as a linter for shell scripts?
20:56 < dongcarl> Seems like lint-shell.sh already does so
20:57 < dongcarl> Just some warnings are disabled
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22:35 < gleb> What currently happens if I get tx INV, send GETDATA and never hear a TX back from that peer?
22:36 < sipa> who is 'i'?
22:37 < gleb> A Bitcoin core node :)
22:39 < sipa> you mean what does bitcoin core do if it doesn't hear back from a tx getdata request?
22:39 < gleb> Yeah, I'm missing the part of code where waiting for a TX message time-outs or something
22:40 < sipa> there is a 2 minute timeout, and then permit asking another peer afaik
22:41 < gmaxwell> gleb: see the logic at the bottom of void CNode::AskFor(const CInv& inv)
22:41 < gmaxwell> lol bottom of void.
22:43 < gleb> Got it, for some reason I thought that if a node sends one GETDATA, it won't send the second one after the same INV from another peer.
22:43 < gleb> That would be highly susceptible :)
22:44 < gmaxwell> right there is a delay... the logic is a bit dumb but sufficient.
22:44 < gmaxwell> e.g. it can't handle the case that it asks and gets disconnected except by waiting for the timeout...
22:45 < gleb> gmaxwell: wait, but if a node gets 2 INVs at the same, it will send 2 GETDATAs, right? (from different peers)
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22:46 < gleb> 2 INVs with the same hash at the same time*
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22:50 < gmaxwell> gleb: no.
22:50 < gmaxwell> well depending on what you mean at the same time.
22:51 < gmaxwell> the will only send one getdata unless someone times out.
22:51 < gmaxwell> which of the two peer gets it depends whos inv the node processed first.
22:52 < gleb> I can censor propagation of your txs then? Once I see your tx in the network, I can start INVing everybody about it and not give TX. 
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22:53 < gmaxwell> gleb: for two minutes
22:53 < gleb> And if I have 2 IPs then for 4 minutes?
22:53 < gmaxwell> potentially.
22:54 < gmaxwell> (another way the handling is dumb, after timeout the available offers should be considered in random order.
22:54 < gmaxwell> )
22:58 < gleb> gmaxwell: If I start attacking early enough, that won't significantly increase the cost of an attack, because only few nodes will be INVing it along with me.  You can think that relay happens "in waves" (just as bitconnect)
23:01 < gwillen> hmm, that's kind of bad for lightning unilateral channel closes, isn't it?
23:02 < gwillen> the attacker already knows the txid before you ever start broadcasting it
23:02 < gwillen> so they can start poisoning the network before they even start the attack
23:02 < gwillen> (it still seems like a nearly-infeasible amount of broadcast spam, which would be detected immediately and network-wide)
23:03 < gleb> If a botnet is 10k nodes and starts before 10% of the nodes knew about a tx, I expect us easily to get 10 minutes delay. It's a very cheap attack in terms of traffic, and requires very trivial mimicking of BTC protocol
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23:04 < gleb> I'm saying even IF we implement the trick gmaxwell mentioned (random selection of next peer). If not, it's cheap to delay a transaction forever.
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23:07 < gwillen> but since such an attack would be very obvious to everyone, it wouldn't be hard to get consensus to fix it permanently soon after. So it would really only work once.
23:08 < gwillen> (And there are probably more profitable things you can do with a 10k node botnet.)
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23:15 < ujjwalt> Hey, I’m new here and I want to start developing Bitcoin apps. I have basic idea about the protocol - enough to understand how the system largely works (keys, basic crypto etc) but where and how do I start if I want to make an app around this. I have a full node running now.
23:22 < NicolasDorier> harding: " I suggested connecting over SPV to a single node that the user trusted."... Then if your trusted node go down, your service go down with it. And what is the advantage of doing it at all? If you have a trusted node, just run getutxosetinfo on both side and you have proof my utxoset has the same UTXOs as your trusted node
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23:35 < gleb> This no TX timeout thing also may cause topology inference attacks (similar to "doublespending topology inference" from FC18). 
23:39 < gleb> I acknowledge that alternative solutions might be more harmful than the issue I'm bringing up, just thought it's worth mentioning here.
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