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00:24 < wumpus> jnewbery MarcoFalke please update the release notes in the wiki, not in the tree!
00:24 < wumpus> if people edit them in two places this leads to extra work to unify them again, and changes might be accidentally lost
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00:38 < sipa> wumpus: if you're talking about #15604, that's for the release notes in master (for 0.19)
00:38 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15604 | [docs] release note for disabling reject messages by default by jnewbery · Pull Request #15604 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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00:57 < gmaxwell> sipa: no the PR that MarcoFalke merged earlier
00:57 < gmaxwell> sorry, I should have squaked about that
01:04 < fanquake> carldong I've got the guix build happening (env setup atm) in an alpine docker container. Seems to be running alright so far.
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01:11 < wumpus> sipa: commit a7563633d2 on 0.18
01:12 < wumpus> sipa: for master you're right, of course
01:14 < wumpus> anyhow, time to tag rc2
01:14 < fanquake> \o/
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01:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed tag v0.18.0rc2: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v0.18.0rc2
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01:16 < provoostenator> Gitian started!
01:18 < fanquake> That's efficient
01:19 < sipa> the taggening is upon us
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04:23 < nigs> Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right channel for my question. Anyway, I'm trying to develop a cryptocurrency from ground up, but I don't know where or how to start. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
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05:57 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b83c6f79400f...d67f9d0db98e
05:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 228e806 JeremyRand: Enable TLS in link to chris.beams.io
05:57 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d67f9d0 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #15577: Docs: Enable TLS in link to chris.beams.io
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05:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli merged pull request #15577: Docs: Enable TLS in link to chris.beams.io (master...chris-beams-tls) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15577
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06:32 < provoostenator> nigs: definitely not the right channel
06:33 < provoostenator> Try Twitter, though brace yourself :-)
06:34 < Sentineo> shoot
06:35 < Sentineo> just before finishing gitian build I ran out of space :D
06:35 < Sentineo> using docker, is there a way to continue, or I will have to start from scratch. I will add more GB to the vm.
06:36 < dongcarl> Sentineo: Are you using gitian inside a VM?
06:36 < dongcarl> so like docker-gitian inside VM?
06:37 < provoostenator> I don't think Docker guaranteers containers to be isolated.
06:38 < dongcarl> provoostenator: ? I think he's running gitian inside a VM as per the instructions, and the VM has low disk space
06:38 < Sentineo> dongcarl: yes
06:38 < provoostenator> Normally there should not be a need to run Docker in a VM.
06:38 < dongcarl> DougieBot5000: Right, resize the disk in your vm manager, then use something like resize2fs
06:39 < dongcarl> Sentineo:
06:39 < Sentineo> it is pretty slow, so I might just try running it on the vm it self. Tough docker would give me less headache
06:40 < dongcarl> Sentineo: gitian always requires a vm/container dependency
06:40 < provoostenator> The instructions might be out of date. Afaik you don't need a VM if you're using the new Docker approach. 
06:41 < dongcarl> Sentineo: Right, just lose the outside VM
06:43 < wumpus> I like using the outside VM so that the bare metal setup is not cluttered with all kinds of dependencies and LXC configuration etc, but it's definitely not necessary
06:45 < dongcarl> wumpus: agreed
06:46 < provoostenator> wumpus: that's for LXC, not for Docker, right?
06:47 < dongcarl> provoostenator: Guess it depends on what dep you prefer on your bare metal, a VM manager or docker
06:48 < Sentineo> hm lxc vs docker, wondering how much performance difference is it
06:49 < provoostenator> Afaik Docker has very little overhead, as long as you give it access to your real disk rather than a virtual volume.
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06:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d67f9d0db98e...118a5c8d94de
06:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 19a0c4a Carl Dong: depends: native_protobuf: avoid system zlib
06:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 118a5c8 MarcoFalke: Merge #15580: depends: native_protobuf: avoid system zlib
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06:50 < Sentineo> just so I have an idea. How long does it take for you to do a gitian build? linux+windows for example
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06:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15580: depends: native_protobuf: avoid system zlib (master...2019-03-depends-native_protobuf-no-zlib) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15580
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06:51 < wumpus> provoostenator: yes, I don't know about docker
06:53 < wumpus> gitian builds are extremely slow here, but I don't blame the VM overhead for that, the ubuntu "upgrading packages" step takes very long which the inner OS is messing around with package management
06:54 < wumpus> also it simply does a lot of work, a full build of bitcoind + qt for many different platforms ! even more if it the dependencies aren't cached and it needs to build qt 
06:54 < wumpus> (e.g.the qt library not just bitcoin-qt)
06:56 < harding> As part of testing RC1, I was using the new bitcoin-wallet with its "info" command to inspect some backups, but I noticed that it changes the file write times (and won't work if I run on a read-only wallet file).  Does it actually need write access to print basic wallet info?  I'd really prefer inspections be read only (and work with read-only files).
06:57 < wumpus> harding: in theory: no, it doesn't need write access to inspect files; in practice it might be the case that BerkeleyDB always opens files read-write, but I don't know this!
06:58 < wumpus> would be interesting to try to run it on a wallet on a read-only fs
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06:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #15606: [experimental] UTXO snapshots (master...utxo-dumpload-compressed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15606
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06:58 < wumpus> in any case this is something it makes sense to open a github issue for
06:59 < harding> wumpus: would you expect a read-only fs to differ from my test of just chmod 400'ing the file?
06:59 < harding> I'll open a feature request issue.  Thanks, wumpus!
06:59 < wumpus> harding: I think those are more or less equivalent, from a user-space point of view
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07:00 < wumpus> (then again I don't know what berkeleydb does internally)
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07:01 < harding> Yeah, I'd think the same.  In my test, if I try running on a read-only file (ext4 fs), bitcoin-wallet says it can't open and asks if the file is in use by another process.
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07:05 < wumpus> anyhow I think it's a reasonable request, and is probably straightforward to fix *if* berkeleydb gives control over these kind of open flags
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07:11 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #15607: Release process updates (master...release-process-updates) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15607
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07:17 < wumpus> FWIW there's a DB_RDONLY flag for opening databases
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07:26 < harding> Issue opened, #15608
07:26 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15608 | Feature request: bitcoin-wallet tool: dont modify files unless requested · Issue #15608 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:26 < wumpus> thanks!
07:26 < harding> Thank you!
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08:13 < fanquake> Sentineo if you've gitian building on macOS, I've got some native Docker instructions here: https://github.com/fanquake/core-review/tree/master/gitian-building
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08:29 < cfields> dongcarl / ryanofsky: there's a lot of history in 14856 about GetDefaultPort() that I can't quite follow. Maybe you could briefly explain why it's still needed?
08:30 < cfields> Sorry, GetListenPort()
08:32 < dongcarl> 1st try: Removed GetDefaultPort and required mapPort to take in a port as its second parameter: `virtual void interfaces::Node::mapPort(bool, uint16_t)`
08:32 < cfields> The obvious problem there is that it's now a global and shared between two instances.
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08:33 < dongcarl> This didn't work because qt called `mapPort` and didn't have the listen_port
08:34 < dongcarl> 2nd try: Use `g_connman->GetDefaultListenPort()` to get the port inside `mapPort` and remove its second parameter that we added in first try
08:35 < dongcarl> This didn't work because if `interfaces::Node::mapPort` is called before `CConnman::Start`, there will be a garbage default value
08:36 < dongcarl> cfields: Does that make sense?
08:36 < cfields> Yup
08:36 < cfields> but
08:36 < cfields> why not just pass the port into mapPort from the callsites? Which would mean passing it to qt during init as well.
08:37 < cfields> StartMapPort(uint16_t default_port)
08:37 < cfields> void mapPort(bool use_upnp, uint16_t default_port)
08:37 < dongcarl> So you mean, continue with 1st try and just make sure that qt has `listen_port` to pass in to `mapPort`?
08:38 < cfields> Sure. As-is, the change seems like a lateral move at best :(
08:38 < dongcarl> cfields: That's true
08:39 < cfields> Because the intention is to get rid of the globals so that instances respect their own port values. With this change, they'd still collide.
08:39 < cfields> That said...
08:41 < cfields> nm.
08:41 < cfields> dongcarl: I haven't looked at the code in depth in a while, but I don't think there's anything that would keep that from working. Mind giving it a shot?
08:42 < cfields> Otherwise, imo the scope of the PR should just be reduced to maybe torport and default outgoing.
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08:43 < dongcarl> Yeah I'd be happy to give it a shot. Question tho: maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way, but logically, why should qt be parameterized by a port number?
08:43 < cfields> It shouldn't necessarily. But it makes sense to init all subsystems with values that they'll need to start up. Even if that means duplicating it to pass to a few different subsystems.
08:44 < cfields> (Imo anyway. But that's very much a style preference)
08:45 < dongcarl> Okay, I'd be happy to give it a go
08:45 < dongcarl> Not familiar with qt at all so if someone can point me to where to pass things in, that'd be helpful
08:45 < cfields> Thanks!
08:46 < cfields> Heh, I'm not either. I think I might've either skipped that or cheated with my original PR.
08:46 < cfields> jonasschnelli: ^^ :)
08:50 < cfields> back in a bit
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10:19 < provoostenator> fanquake: thanks for sharing the link to Docker instructions for macOS
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11:00 < provoostenator> Wallet meeting?
11:01 < sipa> oh, i thought next week
11:02 < luke-jr> even if today, it's an hour early
11:02 < sipa> ah yes
11:03 < provoostenator> Ah yes, off by one hour. But I believe the last one was two weeks ago. We shifted them a bunch of times.
11:05 < provoostenator> http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-03-01-19.00.log.html
11:43 < meshcollider> Yep it should be today I believe
11:44 < meshcollider> sipa: can you please host it today? I'll be around but my internet is patchy again
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11:46 < sipa> i can't
11:47 < meshcollider> Someone else then, provoostenator ?
11:47 < provoostenator> I'm here, but I don't I have IRC powers, and I don't know the incantations. achow101?
11:48 < meshcollider> I dont think you need any permissions, I dont have any either :)
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11:49 < provoostenator> Ok, I'll see what happens then...
11:51 < meshcollider> I think the only commands you need are startmeeting, topic, action, and endmeeting
11:51 < meshcollider> Thanks 
11:52 < jonasschnelli> cfields: osx signatures are up
11:52 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-detached-sigs/pull/23
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12:00 < provoostenator> #startmeeting
12:00 < lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Mar 15 19:00:04 2019 UTC.  The chair is provoostenator. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
12:00 < lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
12:00 < provoostenator> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb
12:00 < provoostenator> Topics for this week?
12:00 < meshcollider> any wallet high priority PR changes wanted?
12:01 < instagibbs> already added to regular list
12:02 < achow101> hi
12:04 < provoostenator> Sounds like we can keep this meeting short?
12:04 < meshcollider> doesnt seem like theres much to talk about, indeed :)
12:04 < achow101> what's the status on the descriptor wallet stuff?
12:05 < provoostenator> I'm in the middle of rewriting stuff for descriptor wallets, so not much to show now.
12:05 < achow101> and/or wallet overhaul
12:05 < provoostenator> #topic descriptor wallets
12:05 < achow101> the current desciptor wallet pr is just for having a descriptors record, right?
12:05 < achow101> it's not the full overhaul "use descriptors everywhere"
12:06 < instagibbs> nor ismine overhaul?
12:06 < provoostenator> I'm not sure yet.
12:06 < provoostenator> I definately want a proof of concept that is usable, but it might be split over multiple PRs.
12:06 < meshcollider> I think sipa is planning on doing the ismine overhaul
12:06 < sipa> yeah
12:07 < sipa> but i'm in the middle of a few other things right now, so if someone else wants to have a shot
12:07 < provoostenator> So I'll probably keep this one focussed on serialization, wallet flags and import commands.
12:07 < achow101> what needs to be done for ismine?
12:07 < sipa> achow101: my idea is to abstract out the wallet's keypool+ismine logic, and then descriptor records become an alternative implementation of that interface
12:08 < provoostenator> AddToWalletIfInvolvingMe
12:08 < achow101> so ismine becomes "this script exists in my keypool/wallet/whatever"?
12:08 < meshcollider> handling ismine in a similar way to how signingprovider abstracts signing
12:08 < provoostenator> Should probably loop over descriptors and call something there.
12:08 < sipa> provoostenator: descriptor records would have a cache of sPKs to look for
12:09 < sipa> as they can be pre-expanded
12:09 < sipa> which replaces the keypool concept
12:09 < sipa> provoostenator: no, all of IsMIne, not just AddToWalletIfInvolving me (i don't expect that function to change much)
12:09 < meshcollider> the cache is already implemented in one of your earlier PRs right 
12:09 < sipa> sure, but descriptor records aren't
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12:13 < achow101> so (at a high level) all that's left is storing descriptors in the wallet and ismine logic
12:13 < sipa> "all that's left" haha
12:13 < achow101> (which I guess is "everything")
12:13 < sipa> but yes :)
12:14 < provoostenator> We also need to think about how to store labels and how to store which addresses have been "reserved", e.g. though getnewaddress.
12:15 < sipa> labels wouldn't change at all
12:15 < achow101> provoostenator: I don't think that would be much (or any) different from how we do it now
12:15 < sipa> and reserved addresses are in the records, which store how far each has been explored so far
12:15 < provoostenator> Ah I see address labels are literaly indexed by the address string.
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12:19 < achow101> in other news, hwi 1.0 will be released today just in time for people to use it with core 0.18
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12:19 < provoostenator> #topic hardware wallets
12:19 < provoostenator> achow101: nice!
12:21 < provoostenator> Any other topics?
12:22 < achow101> seems not
12:22 < provoostenator> #endmeeting
12:22 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Fri Mar 15 19:22:18 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
12:22 < lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-03-15-19.00.html
12:22 < lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-03-15-19.00.txt
12:22 < lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-03-15-19.00.log.html
12:25 < gmaxwell> \O/
12:26 < provoostenator> gmaxwell: too soon?
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12:39 < cfields> gitian builders: detached sigs for v0.18.0rc2 are up.
12:40 < gmaxwell> provoostenator: no not too soon, that was just random cheering. 
12:40 < gmaxwell> (I was around for the meeting but didn't have anything to say)
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12:44 < gwillen> are we permanently offsetting wallet meeting parity
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12:46 < sipa> gwillen: no, it's you who has moved
12:47 < sipa> (meeting is 7pm GMT)
12:47 < achow101> sipa: I think we're offset by a week
12:47 < sipa> ah!
12:47 < sipa> sorry, i thought it was about the time
12:52 < gwillen> "no, it's the children who are wrong"
12:52 < gwillen> but yeah I meant the week offset
12:52 < gwillen> I think it can be tough to keep track of such things
12:52 < gwillen> I wonder how many people besides me were expecting it to be next week
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13:56 < promag> can someone tell me why InterpretBool("true") gives false?
13:58 < gwillen> ... :-(
13:58 < gwillen> because it only interprets numbers
13:58 < gwillen> "return (atoi(strValue) != 0);"
13:59 < gwillen> atoi returns zero for strings with no numeric prefix
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13:59 < gwillen> actually there is a long sad comment about this above the definition of InterpretBool in system.cpp
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14:05 < promag> o wait for it k
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16:33 < fanquake> provoostenator no worries
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17:15 < gmaxwell> Anyone see a issue with adding all the IPs that have been performing the electrum coin theft attakcks to my node blacklist?  
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18:27 < midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I think that's a splendid idea.
18:27 < midnightmagic> gmaxwell: May I request some explanatory text in a comment section maybe so the groups are identifiable if you choose to head there
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18:53 < fanquake> 3 signed sigs up for rc2 so far.
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19:37 < warren> I apologize for not participating in gitian for a while. debootstrap has not worked on Fedora for a few years now. I'm hoping people can help https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15277 so we have a deterministic buildsystem to replace gitian.
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19:56 < fanquake> warren I'm writing up notes for that/using guix on macOS. Have also been working on an alpine/guix docker setup for those builds.
19:56 < sipa> nice
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20:03 < warren> fanquake: awesome!
20:04 < warren> fanquake: you mean you got the osx cross-compile from linux working?
20:07 < fanquake> warren no, just getting setup to build. I started building (in an alpine container) using carls scripts, but didn't get finished, so will probably retry today.
20:08 < fanquake> I haven't read the latest out of the PR yet, so probably need to catch up on anything newish.
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20:55 < fanquake> If someone could sanity check https://github.com/fanquake/core-review/blob/master/update-assumevalid.md that'd be handy.
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23:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #15609: scripts and tools: Set 'distro' explicitly (master...20190314-set-distro) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15609
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23:18 < hebasto> @wumpus: Hi! Regarding #15541. When you faced LXC disk size issues the cache was enabled or disabled?
23:18 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15541 | Reproducibility issue with 0.18.0rc1 · Issue #15541 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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