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03:27 < fanquake> I've just merged #16674, however the PR hasn't been auto-closed, and the bot obviously hasn't shown up here. Looking at https://www.githubstatus.com/, it could be a GitHub issue. 
03:27 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16674 | refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage by fanquake · Pull Request #16674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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03:28 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16674: refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage (master...remove_obselete_qt_usage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16674
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03:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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03:40 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon closed pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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03:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16679: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-unit-base) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16679
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04:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6dfa9efa3f55...868a8cea1550
04:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fea33cb fanquake: refactor: replace qStableSort with std::stable_sort
04:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 59373e3 fanquake: refactor: replace qSort with std::sort
04:10 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 153d9dd fanquake: refactor: replace qLowerBound & qUpperBound with std:: upper_bound & lower...
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06:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/868a8cea1550...52b9797119d5
06:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa8cd6f MarcoFalke: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
06:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faebf62 MarcoFalke: rpc: Use Join helper in rpc/util
06:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 52b9797 MarcoFalke: Merge #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
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06:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings (master...1908-utilStringJoin) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16670
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16680: Preparations for more testchains (master...b19-testchains-qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16680
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06:57 < jtimon> I don't think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8994 needs conceptual review, it needs review and testing
06:58 < jtimon> on the other hand, I think #16524 #16526 and #16527 do need conceptual review
06:58 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:58 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
06:58 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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07:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16681: QA: Adapt BitcoinTestFramework for chains other than "regtest" (master...b19-testchains-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16681
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07:52 < emilengler> How do I write a release note?
07:52 < emilengler> Like is there a file for the upcoming release where PR authors can append their change?
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08:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #16682: net_processing: Disconnect blocks-only peers that send us tx INVs (master...2019-08-disconnect-blocksonly-violators) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16682
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09:58 < jonatack> emilengler: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/developer-notes.md#release-notes then see release note commits for examples
10:13 < emilengler> jonatack: thanks
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12:00 < meshcollider> meeting?
12:01 < jnewbery> hi
12:01 < jonasschnelli> hi
12:01 < provoostenator> hi
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12:01 < jeremyrubin> hi
12:01 < ariard> hi
12:01 < sipa> hi
12:01 < dongcarl> hi
12:02 < meshcollider> ping wumpus 
12:03 < dongcarl> 0 received, 100% packet loss
12:03 < jonasschnelli> #startmeeting
12:03 < lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:03:23 2019 UTC.  The chair is jonasschnelli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
12:03 < lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
12:03 < jonasschnelli> There are no proposed topics
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12:03 < jonasschnelli> (so far)
12:04 < meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
12:04 < jonasschnelli> #topic high priority for review
12:04 < jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
12:04 < gleb> hi
12:04 < jonasschnelli> Anything to change?
12:04 < achow101> hi
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12:05 < wumpus> test
12:05 < jonasschnelli> pong
12:05 < wumpus> wow, i'm visible now?
12:05 < meshcollider> wumpus: Yep
12:06 < wumpus> apparently I wasn't authenticated with freenode so no one was seeing my messages? this was really strange\
12:06 < wumpus> was already surprised why the meetingstart bot wasn't working
12:06 < achow101> how long has wumpus been shouting into the void?
12:06 < jonasschnelli> heh
12:06 < meshcollider> provoostenator has had similar issues before I think
12:06 < wumpus> about five minutes :)
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12:07 < jeremyrubin> we miss anything good?
12:07 < jonasschnelli> omg... must have felt terrible 
12:07 < wumpus> no, about the same jonasschnelli did :)
12:08 < harding> FYI,I saw "hi" or similar from the following people.  If you're not listed, you might be muted.  meshcollider jnewbery jonasschnelli provoostenator jeremyrubin ariard sipa dongcarl gleb achow101 (and, just now, wumpus).
12:08 < provoostenator> meshcollider: indeed, that's always fun
12:08 < wumpus> so anyhow, feel free to keep chairing the meeting
12:09 < meshcollider> So far no one has any topics
12:09 < jonasschnelli> Looks like non of the high prio PR's are ready to merge,...
12:10 < dongcarl> #proposedmeetingtopic upgrade to C++17
12:10 < jtimon> hi
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12:10 < jonasschnelli> #topic upgrade to C++17 (dongcarl)
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12:10 < dongcarl> I looked at the history a little, and there was a PR for upgrading to C++14
12:10 < wumpus> I think no one was prepared for that one 
12:11 < jeremyrubin> What are the major new features?
12:11 < dongcarl> I believe that 17 has a lot of functionality that would simplify our codebase
12:11 < dongcarl> jeremyrubin: https://github.com/AnthonyCalandra/modern-cpp-features
12:11 < wumpus> would it replace any boost use?
12:11 < dongcarl> wumpus: Yes, I believe we rely on boost::optional
12:12 < wumpus> what would be minimum supported clang and gcc? which linux distros carry those? what about debian stable? 
12:12 < wumpus> I think we have our own optional<>
12:12 < wumpus> but that's not really a big deal
12:12 < dongcarl> our own optional is just a wrapper around boost optional
12:12 < kanzure> hi
12:12 < dongcarl> Also c++17 has a filesystem module
12:13 < dongcarl> The minimum for ALL 17 is GCC8
12:13 < dongcarl> debian stable is on 8
12:13 < dongcarl> and RHEL dts is on 8
12:13 < achow101> are we going to just skip 14?
12:13 < wumpus> ubuntu 18.04 still has 7.4.0
12:13 < wumpus> ther's no way we're going to do this yet, imo, sorry
12:14 < dongcarl> Okay
12:14 < wumpus> achow101: 14 was not worth it, 17 probably is, but it's imo too early
12:14 < wumpus> but others might have other opinions
12:14 < dongcarl> Ubuntu has 8 packaged
12:14 < achow101> most of gcc 7 has 17
12:14 < wumpus> yes, but the default is 7.4.0
12:15 < achow101> err... gcc 7 has most of 14
12:15 < wumpus> I don't really want to cause people trouble for no good reason
12:15 < achow101> *17
12:15 < dongcarl> support matrix: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
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12:15 < jeremyrubin> there doesn't seem to be too much new in 14+17
12:15 < jeremyrubin> the filesystem module seems compelling tho
12:15 < dongcarl> this is the only feature that requires GCC8: http://wg21.link/p0512r0
12:16 < jeremyrubin> But IIRC wumpus had some work that was replacing the fs module 
12:16 < wumpus> has anyone tried replacing boost filesystem with it in our usage? anything missing?
12:16 < ryanofsky> wumpus, any people you are worried about in particular? i'd expect most non-developers to just use binaries and not be affected
12:16 < sipa> for a long time we had C++11-minus-thread_local as guideline; perhaps there is something similar for C++17 that would bring the compatibility up?
12:16 < wumpus> ryanofsky: I'd like bitcoind to be easily buildable on a wide range of systems such as VPSes and such
12:16 < wumpus> many people build bitcoin from source
12:17 < sipa> i'd like c++17, but not until it's easily supportable on all reasonable systems
12:17 < ryanofsky> so we are worried about the type of person who knows how to build bitcoin from source, but not how to install an updated compiler
12:17 < dongcarl> GCC7 has everything but one obscure C++17 feature: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
12:17 < dongcarl> What systems are we concerned about?
12:17 < wumpus> please, installing an updated compiler can be nasty on some platforms
12:18 < wumpus> gcc7 as requirement might be ok, but 8 is not
12:18 < ryanofsky> wumpus, i guess i'm not aware...
12:18 < dongcarl> I'm sorry I misspoke
12:18 < sipa> also, there is a historical case of a miner not wanting to update because he couldn't get a c++11 compatible compiler or something
12:18 < wumpus> I think we should have this discussion on github, not in the meeting
12:19 < MarcoFalke> I'd say that installing a package (compiler or anything) not through a package manager should not be encouraged by us
12:19 < dongcarl> Okay
12:19 < ryanofsky> yeah, it'd be good to know specifics of who would be affected
12:19 < jnewbery> why is this off-topic for a meeting?
12:19 < meshcollider> So C++17-class_template_argument_ddeduction might be ok then
12:19 < wumpus> MarcoFalke:yes it sounds strange to me
12:19 < wumpus> jnewbery: it's not off topic
12:20 < wumpus> but I think this requires a fair amount of research, to see what is affected and what not
12:20 < wumpus> and als o*why* we want this
12:20 < wumpus> and maybe someone actualy implementing the fs stuff using std filesystem and seeing what comes up
12:20 < wumpus> it seem a bit random to just propose 'oh let's bump the requirement to c++17'
12:21 < MarcoFalke> There was an issue on C++14 and it was rejected because centos and similar didn't ship a C++14 compiler. Unless this changes, we don't even need to chat about C++17
12:21 < wumpus> but that might be just me
12:21 < sipa> well when we eventually want to switch to c++17 we will want to discuss it in the meeting
12:21 < dongcarl> I'm sorry, I might be mis-remembering, but in the previous C++14 PR, someone requested for things like this to be discussed in a meeting
12:21 < jnewbery> I think it's useful to solicit opinions in a meeting
12:21 < dongcarl> So that's what I did
12:21 < sipa> but it sounds like we may not have enough information right now
12:21 < wumpus> dongcarl: sure
12:22 < dongcarl> I'll open an issue, we'll discuss there
12:22 < jonasschnelli> ack
12:22 < wumpus> ack, thanks
12:22 < jonasschnelli> I guess it needs a rational. Benefits / risks / user-costs
12:23 < wumpus> right
12:23 < jonatack> hi
12:23 < meshcollider> Centos still has 4.8.5 from what I can see
12:23 < MarcoFalke> jup
12:24 < MarcoFalke> So first we'd need to wait for centos 8 to come out and then give users plenty of time to upgrade
12:25 < wumpus> it'd be too late for 0.19 anyhow, but probably not 0.20 (in half a year) then either
12:26 < MarcoFalke> https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8
12:26 < MarcoFalke> apparently they have an rc out
12:26 < wumpus> a reminder that 0.19 release date is getting pretty close, soft string freeze is 2019-09-01, feature freeze 2019-09-15, that's less than a month
12:26 < sipa> thanks
12:27 < wumpus> we probably should start prioritizing features for review that need to make it in for 0.19
12:27 < wumpus> or at least, would be nice to make it in
12:27 < MarcoFalke> quick. Merge all the things!111!!!
12:27 < wumpus> heh
12:29 < wumpus> ok, any other topics?
12:30 < wumpus> #endmeeting
12:30 < jonasschnelli> #endmeeting
12:30 < lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 19:30:33 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
12:30 < lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.html
12:30 < lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.txt
12:30 < lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.log.html
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12:31 < elichai2> Is it ok to open an issue listing wanted features in 14+17 and then I/we can update current status of compilers and OSs? (and say if these features are even worth it)
12:33 < wumpus> elichai2: sure, but I think dongcarl is opening an issue about it
12:33 < dongcarl> elichai2: I'll link you
12:33 < elichai2> ok dongcarl send the link and i'll comment there :)
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13:12 < jtimon> I don't think it belonged in the meeting, but as said, I don't think #8994 needs the "needs conceptual review" tag, while #16524 #16526 and #16527 need it (specially the last 2, since they compete with each other)
13:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8994 | Testchains: Introduce custom chain whose constructor... by jtimon · Pull Request #8994 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
13:12 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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13:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] BlockMechanic opened pull request #16686: Fix missing destructor in class (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16686
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13:33 < dongcarl> Is there a better way to terminate message deserialization early (when you encounter absurdities) than to throw  an exception in `Unserialize` and catching it in `ProcessMessages`?
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14:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] elichai opened pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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14:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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17:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] harding opened pull request #16690: Prepare release notes for 0.19 (master...2019-08-0.19-notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16690
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17:03 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/52b9797119d5...12f7147c8914
17:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b9ee63c David Reikher: Make descriptor test deterministic
17:03 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 12f7147 fanquake: Merge #16570: tests: Make descriptor tests deterministic
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17:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16570: tests: Make descriptor tests deterministic (master...make_descriptor_tests_deterministic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16570
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17:05 < fanquake> harding: thanks, will review that later today.
17:13 < fanquake> fjahr: Enjoyed your debugging bitcoin core  talk 👍
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18:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f7220e8 Jon Atack: build: update RapidCheck Makefile
18:14 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 43eaf76 fanquake: Merge #16654: build: latest rapidcheck, update configuration
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20:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16691: doc: improve depends prefix documentation (master...depends_improve_prefix_docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16691
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21:17 < fjahr> fanquake: Thank you :)
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