--- Log opened Mon Mar 16 00:00:24 2020
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00:37 < wumpus> is it still responsible to continue with the 0.20 release schedule as-is? or should we postpone things for a month or so? I'm able to continue on schedule but I don't know, I understand if you have other things occupying you right now
00:38 < fanquake> #17432
00:38 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17432 | Release schedule for 0.20.0 · Issue #17432 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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00:39 < fanquake> wumpus: I'd be happy to continue as is. Could extend the RC stage for longer than usual, if the concern is that it will be under-tested.
00:39 < fanquake> Feature wise I don't think there's much that has "just missed out" that would make it in if we kept  the feature  window open much longer.
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00:41 < wumpus> that's my main concern, yes, less people involved so less testing; but you have a good point too, it would probably make very little difference for the feature freeze and the people that need to support their family aren't going to work on features this month anyway :)
00:43 < fanquake> I'm half wondering if we're going to get a spike in activity while people are being quarantined/and might be doing less job-wise.
00:43 < wumpus> it could go that way too!
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00:44 < fanquake> Regardless. I'm happy to keep the schedule as is with some more time for testing. Up to you!
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00:59 < sipa> wumpus: things may change rapidly for people the next few weeks
00:59 < sipa> i'm happy either way
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01:10 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #18358: util: fix compilation with mingw-w64 7.0.0 (master...mingw_w64_gmtime_s) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18358
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01:31 < wumpus> jnewbery: you're right that it would make sense to write down these details such as 'what is the feature freeze' of the release process somewhere
01:33 < fanquake> I think it'd also be good to have a doc that outlines what changes are suitable for backport.
01:34 < fanquake> I've seem some PRs suggested  for backport recently that are neither security fixes, bug fixes, regressions or really that important at all.
01:35 < fanquake> The bar for backporting (at least I think) is a bit higher than fixing something in the GUI that might be a bit inconvenient.
01:36 < fanquake> Backports also get even less review than regular PRs.
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02:19 < wumpus> I agree that the bar for backports should be pretty high, it either needs to be a serious issue or big inconvenience, or maybe a smaller one *if the change itself is trivial*
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02:27 < yevaud> backports probably also have the lowest usage out of any version of bitcoin core. the use-case for operating them is fairly slim. 
02:30 < yevaud> services that are indentured to a specific version for reasons of interface, modification, etc. 
02:31 < yevaud> for the latter, the intersection of people who have made non-portable changes to their client and are unwilling to maintain them has got to be fairly small. 
02:32 < wumpus> yes, from my experience .1 versions are most popular, as some people wait out .0
02:33 < wumpus> after that it's likely downhill with adaptation
02:33 < wumpus> unless there's some serious known issue, of course
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02:43 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #18359: build: fix sysctl() detection on macOS (master...macos_sysctl) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18359
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02:47 < hebasto_> promag: is there an easy way to downgrade apple clang from 10.0 to 9.0?
02:47 < jonatack> wumpus: on schedule or perhaps slightly modified for a wee bit more time for testing sgtm. (the feature freeze heuristic of risk and user-facing items makes sense to me.) 
02:47 < promag> hebasto_: hi, dunno
02:48 < promag> I'm lazy at updating the system
02:48 < promag> anyway, <string> is missing there because is's used in that header
02:49 < hebasto_> I understand this, but couldn't to reproduce and test
02:50 < promag> yeah, not sure what commit changed this
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02:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #18360: Bump transifex slug and update English translations for 0.20 (master...2020_03_translations_020x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18360
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03:05 < wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18360/files#diff-e7612732b4c7149337d0a03ad8feafaa   looks like we accidentally dropped Thomas Bernard's credit for UPnP with the OpenSSL removal?
03:06 < wumpus> (not sure in how far it's required by the license in the first place, but, I suddenly noticed with the translation update)
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03:23 < fanquake> wumpus: whoops I’ll double check
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03:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d402c1e4d3e8...d31f92586a05
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 82dd886 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Periodical translations update
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2a1b85f Wladimir J. van der Laan: tx: Bump transifex slug to 020x
03:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d31f925 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #18360: Bump transifex slug and update English translations for 0.20...
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03:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #18360: Bump transifex slug and update English translations for 0.20 (master...2020_03_translations_020x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18360
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03:40 < wumpus> jonatack: thanks for weighing in; so seems for now, the consensus is that we should continue on-schedule with the feature freeze and rc1, but leave some more time for testing
03:40 < wumpus> extend the rc phase
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03:58 < wumpus> PSA: translations are open for 0.20 https://www.transifex.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/qt-translation-020x/
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04:01 < wumpus> so it's clear 0.20 will be another gitian release, maybe the last? hope GUIX builds will be a thing for 0.21 :)
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04:11 < fanquake> wumpus we are making good  progress!
04:11 < fanquake> windows builds are just about there
04:14 < wumpus> very good!
04:16 < midnight> yay guix
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04:18 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #18361: build: Overhaul --with-gui option of configure script (master...20200316-with-gui) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18361
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05:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d31f92586a05...69f4f2c43358
05:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 686c545 João Barbosa: Fix missing header in sync.h
05:05 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 69f4f2c fanquake: Merge #18357: Fix missing header in sync.h
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05:05 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #18357: Fix missing header in sync.h (master...2020-03-missing-include) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18357
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05:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/69f4f2c43358...9ed429c50a45
05:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7df0cf7 Daniel Kraft: Replace remaining literals BTC with CURRENCY_UNIT
05:16 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ed429c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #18341: doc: Replace remaining literal BTC with CURRENCY_UNIT.
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05:16 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #18341: doc: Replace remaining literal BTC with CURRENCY_UNIT. (master...currency-unit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18341
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05:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9ed429c50a45...a64e5bed6bfe
05:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fb15bfd Steven Roose: Fix nit in getblockchaininfo
05:20 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a64e5be Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #18344: doc: Fix nit in getblockchaininfo
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05:20 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #18344: doc: Fix nit in getblockchaininfo (master...nit-blockchaininfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18344
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08:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a64e5bed6bfe...86623873095f
08:07 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7fea3 MarcoFalke: refactor: Remove mempool global from net
08:07 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8662387 MarcoFalke: Merge #17997: refactor: Remove mempool global from net
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08:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17997: refactor: Remove mempool global from net (master...2001-netMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17997
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08:36 < pinheadmz> Does bitcoind wallet attempt to rebroadcast its own unconfirmed TXs after some timeout / blocks-without-confirmation ?
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08:48 < promag> pinheadmz: yeah I think so
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08:49 < promag> pinheadmz: CWallet::ResendWalletTransactions
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08:57 < yevaud> pinheadmz: not only its own, but transactions it is party to. 
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09:57 < wumpus> yep if you want to have complete control over (re)broadcasting there's -walletbroadcast=0
09:57 < sipa> wumpus: thinking more about things, i think that the length of the RC period is mostly determined by how many RCs we need; if no new-RC-worthy issues pop up in a few weeks, i doubt adding another month is going to help
09:59 < wumpus> sipa: more time per RC, then
09:59 < sipa> right
10:00 < wumpus> but yes, I agree
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10:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/86623873095f...25424cf57e29
10:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fadd99f MarcoFalke: rpc: Add missing newline in RPCResult description
10:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac5225 MarcoFalke: rpc: Document an RPCResult for all calls; Enforce at compile time
10:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 25424cf Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #18346: rpc: Document an RPCResult for all calls; Enforce at compile...
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13:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a6627a Samer Afach: Fix mining to an invalid target + ensure that a new block has the
13:32 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7060d2d MarcoFalke: Merge #18350: test: Fix mining to an invalid target + ensure that a new bl...
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13:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18350: test: Fix mining to an invalid target + ensure that a new block has the correct hash internally (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18350
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16:53 < sipa> achow101: why does ScriptPubKeyMan have methods SignTransaction/SignMessage/FillPSBT? I would expect that those can be implemented generically for all SPKMs
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17:34 < achow101> sipa: hardware wallets can't do the generic way of signing
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17:35 < achow101> Our generic way of signing was to get a SigningProvider and pass that to ProduceSignature. but you can't get a SigningProvider with private keys for a hardware wallet
17:36 < sipa> achow101: hmm, you imagine having a SPKM for hardware wallets?
17:36 < achow101> yes
17:36 < achow101> I imagine it would be a subclass of DescriptorScriptPubKeyMan
17:37 < sipa> hmm, i had never imagined it that way
17:37 < sipa> it may make sense
17:38 < achow101> what were you thinking it would be?
17:39 < sipa> a descriptorscriptpubkeyman that simply had no private keys, and maybe a meta data field saying "use hardware device X", so the UI could suggest the user try PSBT interface/etc
17:40 < sipa> i wasn't expecting dealing with hardware wallets so deep down in the stack
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17:45 < sipa> i guess if you want to transparently support hardware wallets, without having the user jump through hoops exporting/importing PSBTs, etc, or specialized UIs for it, this is how you'd do it
17:45 < achow101> my end goal for hardware wallets is to have the seamless experience where it calls out to the device automatically on send
17:45 < achow101> so this seemed to be the easiest way to do that
17:46 < achow101> instead of sprinkling around a bunch of hardware wallet things everywhere we had signing code
17:46 < sipa> still it feels awkward that SPKMs (which really ought to just deal with keys and scripts) need to be aware of transactions and messages
17:48 < achow101> i guess
17:54 < sipa> it also means things like signet (block signing) and generic message signing need to add their own methods to every SPKM implementation?
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18:23 < ysangkok> achow101: forgive me if it is a stupid question, but if SignTransaction needs to block and wait for a HW wallet, won't it need to be more complicated than just a function call (because of asynchrony)? i guess it would block for e.g. 1 minute while the user interacts with the HW wallet. is that how it will be?
18:31 < achow101> sipa: we can have a default implementation that calls a protected GetSigningProvider and then does the signing thing generically. then if the specific SPKM can't do that, they can override it and implement it differently
18:32 < achow101> ysangkok: it only blocks the thread for that part of the ui (or specific RPC). IIRC we already have async dialogs so it shouldn't be a problem
18:32 < achow101> but I haven't thought about that too much yet
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18:44 < sipa> achow101: right
18:44 < sipa> achow101: SignTransaction can probably be written as a wrapper around PSBT operations, actually
18:45 < achow101> it'd be nice if the wallet moved entirely to psbt operations
18:45 < sipa> so maybe it suffices if SPKMs (or even some.other class) can just provide "here is another method you can try to uodate a PSBT"
18:46 < sipa> maybe related: why does the SigningProvider returned not give access to private keys?
18:49 < achow101> that SigningProvider is specifically just for the solving date (hence the function name GetSolvingProvider)
18:49 < midnight> btw, psbt has made offline signing *incredibly much easier*. Seriously, thank you.
18:49 < achow101> so the no private keys thing is to be explicit about it not actually being useful for signing
18:50 < sipa> i see
18:51 < achow101> there was a suggestion of moving the public parts of SigningProvider to a parent SolvingProvider
18:51 < achow101> to make that clearer
18:52 < sipa> that may make sense
18:52 < sipa> but there should be a way to get access to private keys too, no?
18:53 < sipa> or is that only possible through the SignTransacrion and SignMessage functions?
18:53 < achow101> i'm not sure that it useful to have the privkeys given SignTransaction and SignMessage
18:54 < sipa> well i hope that at some point we don't need tx specific logic in SPKMs
18:56 < sipa> but i see why that's the case now
18:56 < sipa> thanks
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19:29 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18363: tests: Add fuzzing harness for HTTPRequest, libevent's evhttp and related functions (master...fuzzers-http_request) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18363
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