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[bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a76ccb01b964...400f45ec9bab 07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2e9e637 fanquake: build: add -Wl,-z,separate-code to hardening flags 07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65d0f1a Wladimir J. van der Laan: devtools: Add security check for separate_code 07:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 400f45e Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #19525: build: add -Wl,-z,separate-code to hardening flags 07:53 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 07:54 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19525: build: add -Wl,-z,separate-code to hardening flags (master...z_separate_code) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19525 07:54 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 07:55 -!- csknk_ [~csknk@unaffiliated/csknk] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 07:55 -!- provoostenator 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08:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #19620: Add txids with non-standard inputs to reject filter (master...2020-07-reject-unknown-wit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19620 08:38 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 08:48 -!- owowo [~ovovo@unaffiliated/ovovo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:50 -!- mutatrum [~quassel@89.205.138.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:50 -!- mutatrum_ [~quassel@84.241.201.232] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 08:55 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:00 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-8-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:04 < phantomcircuit> achow101, he's been very amused by https://github.com/openai/gpt-3 recently 09:05 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:08 -!- arowser_ 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https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/400f45ec9bab...8db23349fe9b 09:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 65fb880 Andrew Chow: Combine BerkeleyEnvironment::Verify into BerkeleyDatabase::Verify 09:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4fe4b3b Andrew Chow: walletdb: track database file use as m_refcount within BerkeleyDatabase 09:24 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d86efab Andrew Chow: walletdb: Move Db->open to BerkeleyDatabase::Open 09:24 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.244.212.67] has quit [Quit: Pavlenex] 09:24 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 09:25 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 09:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #19335: wallet: Cleanup and separate BerkeleyDatabase and BerkeleyBatch (master...bdb-cleanup-refactors) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19335 09:25 -!- bitcoin-git [~bitcoin-g@x0f.org] has left #bitcoin-core-dev [] 09:25 -!- Pavlenex [~Thunderbi@185.244.212.67] has joined 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https://znc.in] 10:23 < CubicEarth> wumpus: channel seems empty 10:23 -!- balbirs [~balbirs__@bilbo.ozlabs.org] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 10:24 < sipa> it's #bitcoin-core-pr-reviews 10:24 < sipa> with an s 10:24 < wumpus> oh sorry 10:24 < sipa> see https://bitcoincore.reviews/ 10:25 < CubicEarth> thanks :) 10:32 -!- Davterra [~Davterra@104.200.129.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:40 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 10:40 < jnewbery> sorry for the stupidly verbose channel name! 10:47 -!- esotericnonsense [~esotericn@unaffiliated/esotericnonsense] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-8-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00 -!- oerjan [~oerjan@37.120.203.188] has quit [] 11:00 -!- esotericnonsense [~esotericn@unaffiliated/esotericnonsense] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 11:07 -!- notmandatory [~steve@cpe-72-134-225-83.natsow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5+deb4 - https://znc.in] 11:11 -!- 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15:37 < sipa> jeremyrubin: in general there is no way to negotiate relay policy with peers 15:37 < sipa> and we in general have no knowledge about it 15:37 < sipa> the only exceptions are (1) segwit, which introduced a p2p change along with a consensus change and (2) bip133 feefilter 15:38 < sipa> as far as i know 15:38 < jeremyrubin> Why not do this? Would save a lot of bandwidth right? 15:39 < sipa> well conceptually it's pretty strange, as the protocol cannot provide any guarantees about relay 15:39 < sipa> nodes are free to choose whatever rules 15:40 < jeremyrubin> Is it though? feefilter is similar right? 15:40 < sipa> so i'd feel uncomfortable with trying to do this explicitly... but for common cases it may make sense (not as a way to try to predict the full policy, but a "heads up: i'm not interesting in transactions with property X" 15:42 < jeremyrubin> yeah i think we could make/backport an inputfilter message 15:42 < jeremyrubin> and you can add a couple useful ones, e.g. witness version, tapleaf version. Anything that is O(1) to answer about a txn you have 15:42 < sipa> i'm not sure it's needed post wtxidrelay 15:43 < jeremyrubin> Well with wtxid relay you still get hit with 1 initial tx broadcast of something you don't want 15:43 < sipa> sure 15:43 < sipa> but that's rate limited by the total confirmation rate of the network 15:44 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44 < sipa> the upper bound isn't changed by receiving and rejecting things that the network will eventually confirm, as long as it doesn't scale with the number of peers 15:45 < sipa> (and bandwidth per connection can already be trivially DoS'ed; the solution to that is measuring it, and slowing down processing if exceeded) 15:46 < jeremyrubin> :shrugs: 15:47 < sipa> my point is: this won't change per-connection bandwidth in attack scenarios 15:47 < sipa> the goal should be avoided network-wide bandwidth waste by honest nodes 15:47 < jeremyrubin> I think it does actually 15:48 < jeremyrubin> Because it gives you a better justification to ban a node 15:48 < jeremyrubin> sending you lots of e.g. v3 stuff you can't handle and silently reject 15:48 < sipa> there will always things you can't negotiate, e.g. sending transactions with unknown parents 15:50 < sipa> and sure, you could set some rate limit on those... but even then, would it be ok if suddenly the entire network would start being bombared with orphans at whatever that limit it? 15:50 < sipa> my view is that we shouldn't bother with setting explicit limits on "how" misbehaving a peer is allowed to be; instead we should track how many resources we're spending on behalf of some peer, and if our aggregate resource usage is too high, throttle the worst ones 15:51 < sipa> but - that's about attack cases - we should absolutely make p2p affordances to avoid wasting work just through honest nodes behaving correctly 15:51 < jeremyrubin> but specifically if we're looking at what we can backport easily to old node versions, allowing a witnessversion filter message would be relatively small to implement the logic to disconnect peers who don't respect it for backport 15:52 < jeremyrubin> and only new nodes need to implement the logic around not forwarding it 15:52 < sipa> and i believe - but am willing to be convinced otherwise - that wtxidrelay actually already fixes the asymptotic behavior there 15:52 < sipa> we can go further to improve the constant factors a bit 15:52 < sipa> but i'm not sure that's worth the effort 15:52 < sipa> and if so, to what extent 15:53 < jeremyrubin> I think it depends on the model 15:53 < jeremyrubin> I think it's still possible to get all your peers to relay something to you per-input spent 15:53 < jeremyrubin> and a rule banning v1 would make this impossible 15:54 < sipa> if they're honest peers, they'll never send you more on average than what can be confirmed by the network (modulo some RBF/expiration epsilon, which have economic incentives against) 15:55 < sipa> so sure, maybe 95% of what peers send you you cannot accept if you're too far behind, but the total won't be much different from what you'd be processing in case nobody was using future feature and all those transactions were acceptable to you 15:55 < jeremyrubin> So let's say I gossip to the network simultaneously N different txns spending an input X, and assume they spread uniformly. Every peer will attempt to relay a different txn to you right? 15:56 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #bitcoin-core-dev 15:56 < jeremyrubin> I guess this is true even without v1/v0? 15:57 < sipa> yeah - and arguably that's an attack already 15:57 < jeremyrubin> Ah 15:57 < jeremyrubin> but it's not an attack *by your peers* 15:57 < jeremyrubin> it's by a third party somewhere 15:57 < sipa> yeah, that's fair 15:58 < sipa> but as soon as you're a few steps removed from the attacker, the only nodes who'll end up processing more than 1 version are those on borders of "equal propagation speed" partitions 15:58 < sipa> (well, plus 1 version that ends up in a block) 15:59 -!- arowser_ [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:59 < jeremyrubin> I guess the general fix for this would be some sort of input tracking relay system 15:59 < jeremyrubin> where you know which inputs your peer's mempool is spending, and what feerate they're getting 16:00 < jeremyrubin> And decide to relay or not based on that basis 16:00 < jeremyrubin> Some bigger notion of understanding conflicts I guess. 16:01 < jeremyrubin> Then if you ever see something you don't like for a given input, you can tell your peers you don't want it. 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