--- Log opened Fri Nov 20 00:00:22 2020
00:04 < fanquake> hebasto: that's correct. I'll make sure to summarize in an issue on the repo once I've talked to Carl / Cory. They were debugging the same issue earlier from what I can tell.
00:05 < hebasto> fanquake: thanks
00:08 < jonasschnelli> fanquake: is 0.21.0rc1 mac non deterministic? Shall I wait with the code signatures?
00:11 < fanquake> jonasschnelli: yea it is. We think it's an issue in LLVM 8. I don't think you necessarily have to wait with the sigs, as the fix could be involved, and we've had non-determinism in an rc before. However up to you.
00:12 < fanquake> We've already got an rc2 happening because of some wallet fixes, and now the non-determinism, so we could probably even just skip the signed binaries for rc1
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00:13 < jonasschnelli> ack.. thanks. I just read the backlog.
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00:14 < jonasschnelli> I'll skip rc1
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00:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (0.21...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20431
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00:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fdd068507d26...3d632c3f4930
00:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7ffac12 Anthony Towns: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
00:31 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3d632c3 MarcoFalke: Merge #20428: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
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00:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20428: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (master...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20428
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00:35 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3d632c3f4930...c45e1d9aa7f0
00:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2fc5efc Riccardo Spagni: Update pruning tooltip, original author BitcoinErrorLog
00:35 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c45e1d9 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#21: Update pruning tooltip, original author Bitcoin...
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00:36 < bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #21: Update pruning tooltip, original author BitcoinErrorLog (master...bel_tooltip_change) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/21
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00:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c45e1d9aa7f0...094663842d0b
00:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 76277cc João Barbosa: qt: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected
00:38 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0946638 Jonas Schnelli: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#13: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected
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00:38 < bitcoin-git> [gui] jonasschnelli merged pull request #13: Hide peer detail view if multiple are selected (master...2020-06-peer-detail-view) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/13
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01:26 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20432: net: Treat raw message bytes as uint8_t (master...2011-netBytesUint8) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20432
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01:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/094663842d0b...4c2ee5c85589
01:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2a55a0e MarcoFalke: Squashed 'src/univalue/' changes from 98261b1e7b..98fadc0909
01:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa17eef MarcoFalke: Update univalue subtree
01:54 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c2ee5c fanquake: Merge #20424: build: Update univalue subtree
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01:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20424: build: Update univalue subtree (master...2011-subtreeUnivalue) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20424
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01:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4c2ee5c85589...ea460291f97d
01:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0f020cd Jonas Schnelli: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in libstdc++ bas...
01:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ea46029 fanquake: Merge #20430: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in...
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01:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20430: sanitizers: Add suppression for unsigned-integer-overflow in libstdc++ (master...2020/11/suppressions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20430
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02:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to 0.21: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/80496f9e8116...bf9548bc5945
02:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 7ffac12 Anthony Towns: tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx
02:50 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.21 bf9548b MarcoFalke: Merge #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of fu...
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02:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20431: [backport 0.21] tests: shrink feature_taproot transfer of funds tx (0.21...202011-test-taproot-signmany) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20431
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03:03 < MarcoFalke> Glad we pushed the rc1 yesterday. Was sort of expected to hit a gitian issue
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03:49 < provoostenator> I just pushed mine. macOS is the same as luke-jr and fanquake
03:50 < provoostenator> I think my gitian tooling is up to date,  since I tested PR's related to macOS (SDK) changes
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04:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #20434: contrib: Parse ELF directly for symbol and security checks (master...2020_11_pixie) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20434
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04:12 < fanquake> heh pixie
04:15 < Kiminuo> hmm, this seems to be the magic formular to compile code <filesystem> on Ubuntu 18.04: "g++-8 --std=c++17 main.cpp -lstdc++fs" ... now there must be an easy way to specify it for Bitcoin core build. I have tried:  ./autogen.sh && ./configure CC=gcc-8 CXX="g++-8" LDFLAGS="-lstdc++fs" --with-incompatible-bdb && make -j10
04:15 < Kiminuo>  but apparently that's not it
04:15 < Kiminuo> any tips?
04:16 < wumpus> 😈 
04:17 < fanquake> it took me a second
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04:19 < Kiminuo> Hm, not funny :D
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04:20 < wumpus> Kiminuo: weird, LDFLAGS should work to specify an additional library
04:23 < wumpus> Kiminuo: you've checked make V=1 to see if it doesn't get passed at all?
04:23 < Kiminuo> "g++-8 --std=c++17 -lstdc++fs main.cpp" this fails with the similar errors as " ./autogen.sh && ./configure CC=gcc-8 CXX="g++-8" LDFLAGS="-lstdc++fs" --with-incompatible-bdb && make -j10"
04:23 < wumpus> okay
04:23 < Kiminuo>  LDFLAGS       = -lpthread  -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-z,separate-code -pie   -lstdc++fs
04:23 < Kiminuo> this is reported by ./configure
04:24 < wumpus> looks okay to me
04:24 < Kiminuo> so I think it is added ok
04:25 < Kiminuo>  CXX           = g++-8 -std=c++17
04:25 < Kiminuo> this is also from the configure
04:25 < Kiminuo> should "std" be with two hyphens?
04:25 < Kiminuo> like this:  CXX           = g++-8 --std=c++17
04:25 < Kiminuo> ?
04:26 < Kiminuo> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53201991/how-to-use-stdfilesystem-on-gcc-8 ... some guy wrote "--std=c++17 -lstdc++fs"
04:26 < Kiminuo> so not sure
04:27 < Kiminuo> seems like one hyphen is ok
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04:36 < fanquake> Cory has confirmed that the macOS determinism issue is the same one him and Carl had seen, and bisected to a commit in LLVM. Possible that we might be able to get away with a workaround in Qt rather than having to either switch to a newer compiler, or build our own.
04:36 < fanquake> He said he could open an issue on the repo with some more details.
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05:07 < wumpus> Kiminuo: if it also doesn't work for a stand-alone main.cpp, then maybe the workaround doesn't work
05:08 < Kiminuo> g++-8 --std=c++17 main.cpp -lstdc++fs
05:08 < Kiminuo> this works
05:08 < Kiminuo> wumpus, or I should say, it does not report any errors
05:09 < wumpus> so it needs to be the last argument? okay, I don't think you're going to be able to do that without makefile changes
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05:10 < Kiminuo> wumpus, looks like that
05:10 < Kiminuo> hmm
05:11 < Kiminuo> I'm not good in autotools stuff.
05:12 < Kiminuo> any dirty trick to make it work?
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06:38 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #20435: util: use stronger-guarantee rename method (master...rename) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20435
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06:44 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20223: build: Drop the leading 0 from the version number (master...drop-leading-0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20223
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07:18 < vasild> MarcoFalke: where do you check gcc status wrt c++17 support? I couldn't find anything relevant to std::filesystem in https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/status.html or https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
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07:19 < MarcoFalke> https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support#cpp17 
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07:19 < MarcoFalke> it says "8 (partial)*"
07:21 < MarcoFalke> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/status.html#status.iso.2017 says "(GCC 8.x requires linking with -lstdc++fs)"
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07:30 < vasild> MarcoFalke: when I opened #20435 I assumed we have (full) c++17 support, naive me...
07:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20435 | util: use stronger-guarantee rename method by vasild · Pull Request #20435 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
07:31 < MarcoFalke> vasild: One does not simply open a pr without opening a can of worms
07:31 < vasild> some of the compile errors on CI are "#include <filesystem> - file not found", so will not be fixed by linking with an extra library stdc++fs
07:32 < vasild> indeed, and it looked like a small innocent change...
07:32 < vasild> "nothing could go wrong with this"
07:32 < MarcoFalke> Oh. The ci issues can probably be fixed by installing gcc 8 (it is available in bionic)
07:33 < vasild> hmm
07:36 < vasild> MarcoFalke: don't we want to stick to the default compiler for a given distro?
07:37 < vasild> in order not to ask users to bother with installing a compiler?
07:37 < MarcoFalke> unsure, maybe for the 0.22 release, but later we could change that
07:38 < vasild> 22.0 you mean? :)
07:39 < MarcoFalke> heh
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08:32 < sipa> wumpus: ELF looks surprisingly simple
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08:52 < dongcarl> Posted some debugging notes for the llvm-nonreproducibility issue
08:52 < dongcarl> In #bitcoin-builds
08:52 < wumpus> sipa: it is!
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08:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr closed pull request #19488: Refactor mempool.dat to be extensible, and store missing info (master...mempool_dat_extensible) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19488
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09:07 < sipa> wumpus: for the python typing annotation you want to run it in mypy
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09:08 < wumpus> right, I don't have that installed locally, I probably should
09:11 < luke-jr> wumpus: thoughts on using 0.20.2 & 0.21.0 as a trial run for how fast users could upgrade for Taproot?
09:11 < luke-jr> https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/1329827478672728065?s=20
09:11 < luke-jr> maybe release notes could include a short paragraph to this effect
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09:17 < aj> luke-jr: they're both important preparatory steps before deploying taproot (0.20.2 avoids network spam, 0.21.0 shakes out the major upgrade bugs), so not sure it's even a "trial" rather than the first leg of the relay or something?
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09:24 < luke-jr> aj: I mean in the sense of "If you want Taproot activated sooner, upgrade ASAP to show how quickly deployment can happen"
09:25 < aj> luke-jr: yeah, i just mean that you should be upgrading to those versions for practical reasons anyway, not just because of how people might read the stats later
09:27 < luke-jr> aj: perhaps, but without a kick like this, I'm not sure many people will see it that way
09:27 < luke-jr> or might figure "I'll just wait and upgrade immediately when activation is released"
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09:30 < TallTim> lol I still run 0.13 on an old box
09:30 < TallTim> newer on newer machines.
09:32 < luke-jr> TallTim: I have 0.13 for my cold wallet too :p
09:32 < TallTim> Armory pretty much requires older client as far as I know
09:32 < luke-jr> :/
09:33 < TallTim> its not maintained like it was, so its frozen in time
09:35 < TallTim> I specify a data directory on my NAS for v0.19 to dump blockdata. I keep a monthly archive and an active blockchain directory.
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10:18 < achow101> luke-jr: fanquake: can you try rebuilding and clearing the cache and see if you get the other result?
10:21 < luke-jr> I didn't have a cache to begin with…
10:22 < luke-jr> aside from the dpkg cache, which I intentionally have set to never update
10:26 < achow101> yeah I just want to see if repeated builds by the same builder get different results
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11:05 < fjahr> No wallet meeting today?
11:06 < achow101> oh yeah wallet meeting
11:06 < achow101> meshcollider is probably busy
11:06 < achow101> #startmeeting
11:06 < core-meetingbot> Meeting started Fri Nov 20 19:06:57 2020 UTC.  The chair is achow101. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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11:07 < emzy> hi
11:07 < jonatack> hi
11:07 < fjahr> hi
11:07 < achow101> any topics
11:08 < fjahr> nope, I just hope to do some more reviews in the next days
11:08 < jonatack> high-priority i guess
11:08 < achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin emilengler jonatack hebasto
11:08 < achow101>  jb55 kvaciral ariard digi_james amiti fjahr jeremyrubin lightlike emilengler jonatack hebasto jb55 elichai2
11:08 < achow101> #topic high priority for review
11:08 < core-meetingbot> topic: high priority for review
11:09 < achow101> anything to add?
11:09 < jonatack> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/45
11:09 < achow101> all i have is coin selection stuff. #20040 
11:10 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20040 | wallet: Refactor OutputGroups to handle fees and spending eligibility on grouping by achow101 · Pull Request #20040 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:10 < jonatack> 3 wallet PRs remain for 0.21
11:10 < jonatack> achow101: i hope to review that one soon
11:11 < jonatack> fjahr: what about your coinstats work? what needs review
11:11 < achow101> For 0.21 we still have #20426, #20403, and  #20410
11:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20426 | wallet: allow zero-fee fundrawtransaction/walletcreatefundedpsbt and other fixes by jonatack · Pull Request #20426 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20410 | wallet: Do not treat default constructed types as None-type by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #20410 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:11 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20403 | wallet: upgradewallet fixes, improvements, test coverage by jonatack · Pull Request #20403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:12 < jonatack> pinging murch for the meeting 
11:13 < murch> hi
11:13 < jonatack> hey :)
11:14 < achow101> anything to discuss about these prs?
11:14 < fjahr> jonatack: I need to finish addressing john's feedback, on #19055. #19521 can be reviewed in parallel but I hope 19055 can be ready soon, that would make things easier.
11:15 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19055 | Add MuHash3072 implementation by fjahr · Pull Request #19055 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:15 < jonatack> murch, if you could re-ack 20426 that would be swell
11:15 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/19521 | Coinstats Index (without UTXO set hash) by fjahr · Pull Request #19521 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
11:15 < jonatack> fjahr: ping me wen ready, one of my 22.0 goalz is to help you land all that
11:15 < fjahr> jonatack: will do, thanks
11:17 < jonatack> achow101: i think those 3 PRs are pretty much ready, pending enough review
11:17 < achow101> i'll try to review them (again) after i finish banging my head into this build system wall
11:18 < jonatack> good luck
11:18 < achow101> anything else to discuss?
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11:19 < achow101> #endmeeting
11:19 < core-meetingbot> topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/, http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/ | Meeting topics http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt / http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedwalletmeetingtopics.txt
11:19 < core-meetingbot> Meeting ended Fri Nov 20 19:19:42 2020 UTC.  
11:19 < core-meetingbot> Minutes:        https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings/logs/bitcoin-core-dev/2020/bitcoin-core-dev.2020-11-20-19.06.moin.txt
11:20 < achow101> jonasschnelli: does core-meetingbot have a command to do the channel ping?
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11:20 < jonasschnelli> achow101: not yet. That would be another plugin
11:20 < jonasschnelli> I can try to add it.
11:21 < achow101> it'd be super helpful
11:21 < jonasschnelli> Agree.
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11:34 < miketwenty1> does anyone have stats / data on how many downloads or what the usage is of the different bitcoin node downloads? linux/windows/mac ?
11:39 < wumpus> no, no one is keeping download statistics
11:42 < miketwenty1> wumpus wouldn't the admins of bitcoin-core.org / bitcoin.org have these stats.. not sure what you mean by "no one"
11:42 < wumpus> there are no trackers or anything on the site; it's sometimes inconvenient but for a project like this it's very important to stay above the table in that regard
11:42 < miketwenty1> bitcoincore.org*
11:43 < miketwenty1> i see.. im guessing you help run the downloads available on bitcoincore.org? 
11:44 < achow101> this is information that I will be gathering in my survey
11:45 < miketwenty1> achow101: i look forward to seeing comparisons in percentage to downloads of (linux/windows/mac) .. specifically knowing how many mac downloads we have in comparison will be interesting to me
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12:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #20436: depends: Add a nasty qt hack to work around clang non-determinism (0.21...fix-clang-qt-determinism) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20436
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13:06 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #20437: fuzz: Avoid time-based "non-determinism" in fuzzing harnesses by using mocked GetTime() (master...fuzzers-remove-time-based-non-determinism) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20437
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18:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #20251: Move major version to first version integer as specified by SemVer (master...semver2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20251
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22:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d4159984c360...816132e6eb23
22:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b3d700 Jon Atack: Allow zero-fee fundrawtxn and walletcreatefundedpsbt calls
22:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3f1e10b Jon Atack: Update feeRate (BTC/kvB) to fee_rate (sat/vB) in wallet_bumpfee
22:49 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9f08780 Jon Atack: Use the correct incremental fee constant in bumpfee help
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22:50 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20426: wallet: allow zero-fee fundrawtransaction/walletcreatefundedpsbt and other fixes (master...fee_rate_followups) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20426
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