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00:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20456: test: Fix intermittent issue in mempool_compatibility (master...2011-testFixMempool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20456
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01:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9a1c9fbdea9...1b75f2542d15
01:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fabecce MarcoFalke: net: Treat raw message bytes as uint8_t
01:27 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b75f25 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20432: net: Treat raw message bytes as uint8_t
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01:27 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20432: net: Treat raw message bytes as uint8_t (master...2011-netBytesUint8) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20432
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01:30 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1b75f2542d15...86bf3ae3b57e
01:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b33af48 Andrew Chow: Include wallet/bdb.h where it is actually being used
01:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a58b719 Andrew Chow: Do not compile BDB things when USE_BDB is defined
01:30 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6ebc41b Andrew Chow: Enforce salvage is only for BDB wallets
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01:31 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20202: wallet: Make BDB support optional (master...opt-sqlite-bdb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20202
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01:42 < promag> time to ditch -rpcuser -rpcpassword from daemon?
01:42 < wumpus> not sure, really, I think a lot of people are still using them (including me), and it's documented all over the place
01:43 < promag> I know
01:43 < wumpus> it has always been a difficult thing to deprecate
01:43 < wumpus> it's a simple way to specify the user and password *shrug*, does it really complicate the code that much
01:44 < promag> no no, I'm just asking X)
01:44 < wumpus> sure but I mean an argument like 'it complicates the authentication code a lot' would be in favor of removing them
01:45 < promag> it doesn't
01:45 < promag> on bitcoin-cliu
01:45 < promag> err
01:46 < promag> on bitcoin-cli we are sending cookie as authorization: basic ... header
01:46 < promag> I think this should be authorization: bearer 
01:46 < wumpus> lots of other software does that too by now
01:46 < wumpus> I don't really see a reason to change it
01:46 < promag> do you think it's a reasonable change to do in -cli?
01:47 < wumpus> nah, to me it feels like a sudden change out of the blue
01:47 < promag> we could start by fixing our clients (cli and test framework)
01:47 < wumpus> don't we have any bugs to fix
01:47 < promag> ok
01:48 < promag> also invalid -rpcauth are just silently ignored, Russel suggested to log and fail init
01:48 < promag> makes sense to you?
01:48 < wumpus> agree on that
01:48 < wumpus> silently ignoring errors is the biggest sin
01:49 < promag> ok, also agree
01:49 < wumpus> we've come a really long way in that regard! 
01:51 < wumpus> still remember opening #1044 in frustration :)
01:51 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1044 | Problems with command-line options silently ignored · Issue #1044 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
01:52 < promag> heh opened from 2012 to 2018
01:52 < wumpus> yess
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01:57 < wumpus> not for lack of proposals though, it was just difficult code to change
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01:59 < wumpus> the code is a lot more organized now
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01:59 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #20457: util: Make Parse{Int,UInt}{32,64} use locale independent std::from_chars(…) (C++17) instead of locale dependent strto{l,ll,ul,ull} (master...locale-independent-parseint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20457
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02:33 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #20458: test: add is_bdb_compiled helper (master...2020/11/use_bdb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20458
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02:43 < Kiminuo> Hi, can I run locally this test https://cirrus-ci.com/task/6292799064637440?command=ci#L3354 to repeat it exactly? Meaning, to run it in Docker to reproduce the issue.
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02:47 < wumpus> don't know about docker, but you can run the test suite locally with test/functional/test_runner.py
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02:49 < Kiminuo> true, but the issue is that I don't see that specific error
02:49 < Kiminuo> there is some difference between my environment and of that test
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02:50 < wumpus> it should be possible to run the ci/* stuff in docker I just don't know exactly how
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02:50 < Kiminuo> yeah. I was looking for some instructions but I was not successful.
02:50 < wumpus> looks like there's something in the readme https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/ci
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02:51 < Kiminuo> ha
02:51 < Kiminuo> good, thanks
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02:51 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20459: rpc: Fail to return undocumented return values (master...2011-rpcDoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20459
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03:28 < vasild> MarcoFalke: I think s/std::fs/std::filesystem/ is warranted in #20460
03:28 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20460 | C++17 std::fs · Issue #20460 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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04:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #20461: qa: Validate -rpcauth arguments (master...2020-11-validate-rpcauth) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20461
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04:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/86bf3ae3b57e...b0c9024a7cf6
04:37 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 68c2ef1 Andrew Chow: Fix version string in Windows and Mac installers
04:37 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b0c9024 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20449: build: Fix Windows installer build
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04:37 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20449: build: Fix Windows installer build (master...fix-gitian-installers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20449
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04:51 < fanquake> Is it really a surprise when Qt's build system does neither what you've told it to do, or what it's told you it's going todo
04:51 < fanquake> Apparently this was more obvious if you'd read the release notes from 3 versions prior
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04:58 < wumpus> qt's build system is so special
04:59 < wumpus> wish they would just switch to one of the standard ones
05:00 < fanquake> You tell it to build in c++1z mode (our qt is a little old heh), it tells you it's going to build in c++1z mode, it instead just builds in c++11 mode
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05:01 < wumpus> 'z' is the verilog symbol for high impedance so it's read as a '1' of course
05:02 < fanquake> ah yes of course
05:04 < wumpus> well it's good to realize this while in the rc phase i guess
05:05 < fanquake> This should only be an issue for master. I'm going to flick all the c++17 switches in depends
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05:08 < wumpus> right, 0.21 is still entirely built in c++11 mode
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05:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b0c9024a7cf6...555b5d1bf940
05:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a52ecc9 fanquake: build: set minimum supported macOS to 10.14
05:25 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 555b5d1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #20419: build: set minimum supported macOS to 10.14
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05:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #20419: build: set minimum supported macOS to 10.14 (master...macos_minimum_10_14) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20419
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05:38 < wumpus> fanquake: I don't entirely understand the outstanding issue in #20422, does it block merge?
05:38 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20422 | build: mac deployment unification by fanquake · Pull Request #20422 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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05:50 < fanquake> wumpus: probably. The issue is that with those changes, if you're on macOS and run make deploy (with the latest mac_alias installed), it will fail, due to what I think is a bug in mac_alias. The cross-compile is unaffected, because we are pinned to the previous version of mac_alias in depends. As a workaround, mac users could also install the previous version.
05:51 < fanquake> This hasn't been an issue for mac users until now, because the Python currently used by the native mac build would construct and run an "Applescript", which would modify the dmg during creation (also the source of the annoying "popup" behaviour).
05:51 < fanquake> I just haven't been motivated to figure out what the issue is with mac_alias is yet
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05:55 < wumpus> thanks for explaining, it's more clear to me now
05:56 < wumpus> maybe the new version of mac_alias is broken or at the least incompatible with what we do
05:58 < fanquake> The  previous version came  out ~2.5 years ago,  so it's quite possible something has broken/changed in a backwards incompatible way.
05:59 < fanquake> The new version also adds support for new versions of records as well
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06:07 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #20462: RPC/Wallet: unloadwallet: Clarify docs/error when both the RPC request and wallet_name parameter specify a wallet (master...unloadwallet_namematch_pt1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20462
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06:10 < wumpus> "NameError: name 'kind' is not defined" is a really strange error on assignment to kind
06:13 < wumpus> wait... https://github.com/al45tair/mac_alias/blob/master/mac_alias/alias.py#L282 doesn' look like valid python at all
06:13 < wumpus> you can't just end a line with assignment targets in ,
06:14 < wumpus> would have worked with (kind, volname, ...) with paranthesis around it
06:15 < luke-jr> what is cr ACK O.o
06:16 < wumpus> fanquake: so clearly an upstream issue!
06:16 < wumpus> luke-jr: huh?
06:18 < luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20462#issuecomment-732187813
06:20 < wumpus> I guess cr=code review
06:21 < luke-jr> aha, makes sense
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06:53 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to 0.20: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a2fa11f9de78...75bf23d8613a
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.20 fa074d2 MarcoFalke: Revert "Merge #19606: Backport wtxid relay to v0.20"
06:53 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.20 75bf23d MarcoFalke: Merge #20399: Revert "Merge #19606: Backport wtxid relay to v0.20"
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06:54 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20399: Revert "Merge #19606: Backport wtxid relay to v0.20" (0.20...2011-prepare020release) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20399
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06:55 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/555b5d1bf940...2ee954daaee5
06:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b87caf1 Sjors Provoost: test: add is_bdb_compiled helper
06:55 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2ee954d MarcoFalke: Merge #20458: test: add is_bdb_compiled helper
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09:30 < achow101> Should I reopen #20447 for the 0.21 branch?
09:30 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20447 | depends: Patch qt_intersect_spans to avoid non-deterministic behavior in LLVM 8 by achow101 · Pull Request #20447 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:48 < MarcoFalke> Is everyone on the clang-9 train? If not, it could make sense for master as well
09:50 < hebasto> achow101: I vote for that
09:50 < achow101> i think it's reasonable to merge into master and then revert when clang 9 is merged
09:51 < hebasto> sounds good
09:51 < achow101> i think there's some hesitation about clang 9 because apple has only blessed clang 8 for the sdk we use
09:52 < hebasto> I read about that many times in our community, but every time without justification
09:53 < achow101> the concern is that clang 9 could have introduced something which apple doesn't like
09:53 < achow101> I don't have an opinion on this since I work with neither clang nor macOS
09:53 < hebasto> yes, I understand the concern. but is it in real life?
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09:54 < achow101> afaik there aren't any problems, just vague "maybe there's an edge case"
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09:59 < hebasto> achow101: I'vr updated my https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20447#pullrequestreview-536690642
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10:06 < vasild_> Ditch old compilers!
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10:07 < hebasto> new owns have memcmp bug
10:10 < MarcoFalke> that's gcc, not clang
10:12 < wumpus> definitely for master I'd say just upgrade the compiler
10:12 < wumpus> for 0.21 I'd be okay with that as well
10:13 < promag> ryanofsky: I think we are discussing in the wrong place, sorry provoostenator
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10:15 < promag> ryanofsky: with you approach the async function would block right? for instance with Qt::BlockingQueuedConnection. Is this fine?
10:16 < wumpus> but for 0.21 I'm also fine with patching the build system or qt spans function, I very much don't like that as a long term solution
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10:33 < miketwen_> hey .. still trying to figure out what I need to do to get my PR merged for gitian.sigs. Also, fanquake: the newest merged commit in gitian sigs with oliver gugger is breaking the verify script. https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gitian.sigs/issues/1316
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10:35 < miketwenty1> in reference to my gitian PR. https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gitian.sigs/pull/1307. Would someone tell me what this needs to be merged in.
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11:08 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20464: refactor: Treat CDataStream bytes as uint8_t (master...2011-dataStream) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20464
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11:52 < wumpus> you shouldn't have to do anything to get your PR for gitian.sigs merged, it's just that rc1 was kind of abandoned so no one is probably in a hurry
11:52 < wumpus> I'll merge it
11:52 < wumpus> oh already is okay
11:52 < miketwenty1> yeah.. Marco got me
11:53 < miketwenty1> thanks though.. will keep my eye out on rc2 or 21.1
11:53 < wumpus> great :)
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12:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20466: test: Fix intermittent p2p_finerprint issue (master...2011-testIntFixp2p) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20466
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12:02 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery closed pull request #20392: WIP: Switch appveyor build from Release to Debug (master...msvc-appveyor-debug-build) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20392
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12:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2ee954daaee5...cb89e1884585
12:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1f949 MarcoFalke: ci: Run nowallet ci config on cirrus
12:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa73674 MarcoFalke: ci: Run i686 centos ci config on cirrus
12:04 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7a438 MarcoFalke: ci: Fix doc typos in .cirrus.yml
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12:04 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19179: ci: Run ci configs on cirrus (master...2006-ciCirrus) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19179
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12:18 < luke-jr> wumpus: might make sense to get Win/Linux rc1 out there for testing at least?
12:21 < wumpus> I'm not sure what's the wait for rc2 now
12:22 < wumpus> but if it takes much longer to decide which of the competing determinism fixes to do for mac I'd agree, this doesn't affect any other OSes
12:22 < wumpus> it doesn't even really affect testing for macos
12:23 < wumpus> in any case people that can build from source can test rc1 fine
12:24 < luke-jr> but they could have tested master too :P\
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12:54 < wumpus> sure, almost no difference at the moment
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13:30 < achow101> would it be reasonable to change CFeeRate::GetFee to always round up?
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13:32 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dongcarl closed pull request #20019: depends: Properly pass $PATH to configure and pin (master...2020-09-resolve-PATH-prepending-madness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20019
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14:05 < aj> wumpus: re bitcoin-util; would be happy to add "grind" to bitcoin-tx and have a new PR that introduces a bitcoin-util that at least does a few things
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15:19 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dergoegge opened pull request #20469: build: Avoid secp256k1.h include from system (master...fixincludeorder) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20469
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15:27 < wumpus> aj: I just don't see the principal distinction between bitcoin-util and bitcoin-tx
15:27 < sipa> bitcoin-tx only operates on transactions, and allows multiple operations on it
15:27 < wumpus> if we would have known in advance that people would want to add utility functions that don't necessarily have to do with transactions, the better name would have been bitcoin-util, but that ship has sailed
15:27 < sipa> not sure how you'd integrate non-tx-mutating operations into it
15:29 < sipa> i guess you can integrate all bitcoin-tx's operations into a -util, by only allowing one operation per invocation
15:29 < wumpus> having only one 'general utilities' binaries would be nice at least
15:29 < wumpus> binary*
15:29 < luke-jr> library*
15:30 < wumpus> I don't particularly want the same as for the fuzzers
15:30 < wumpus> it'd be a library if that wasn't so difficult to do in a useful cross-platform usable way
15:32 < wumpus> a library has to handle all kinds of things like multi-threaded clients, different dynamic linking concepts, ABIs, bindings to different languages etc etc
15:32 < wumpus> try calling from bash into a library
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15:33 < wumpus> computing is such a mess and we're not going to solve that in this project !!!
15:34 < fanquake> we've just decided to solve money instead; because that's much less of a mess!
15:35 < sipa> haha
15:35 < wumpus> ... well one giant mess at a time is fair isn't it
15:35 < midnight> make friends with bunnie and offer accommodation for coreside precursor support if necessary :-D
15:35  * midnight ducks
15:36 < wumpus> let's pretend these things are sepaate and can be solved  one at a time, just for old times sake
15:37 < luke-jr> fanquake: lol
15:37 < wumpus> if not it's such a total screaming madness it's not even addressable
15:37 < wumpus> midnight: heh
15:40 < luke-jr> I mean, we already need to address threading for our own use…
15:41 < luke-jr> bindings don't have to be our problem either, and ABIs are fairly straightforward
15:41 < luke-jr> (perhaps not for the user side, but for the library developer)
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15:43 < wumpus> well it's easier to offer it as an utility, it doesn't rule out making it a library later
15:43 < wumpus> there are more design decisions involved inthat.
15:44 < wumpus> blame POSIX or the UNIX model or whatever you want *shrug* but as it stands, a process it the most straightforward interface
15:46 < luke-jr> it would be nice if C grew the annotations needed to automate bindings
15:47 < wumpus> yes
15:47 < luke-jr> would also make for better compile-time warnings I bet
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15:51 < aj> wumpus: i guess i think everything you currently use bitcoin-tx for should switch to psbt's; and it'd be easier to do that via a new command
15:53 < wumpus> it would also have been less of a problem to have different binaries (if you want a binary per entry point) if dynamic libraries were more standardized across platforms, right now we use, by necessity, a semi-static linking approach, so every binary ends up duplicating everything it links
15:54 < wumpus> because evertyhing is broken it ends up at a (pre-)80's common denominator
15:55 < wumpus> aj: you mean the current bitcoin-tx would be deprecated in the long run?
15:55 < aj> wumpus: yeah
15:55 < aj> wumpus: leave it as-is for compatability for a while of course
15:57 < sipa> aj: having a psbt standalone utility would be awesome
15:57 < sipa> (i don't have an opinion on inside bitcoin-util or elsewhere)
15:57 < wumpus> that makes sense, though I don't see how it relates to the signet grinding functionality
15:58 < aj> sipa: #14671 proposes that
15:58 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14671 | Utility to replace RPC calls that dont need wallet or chain context · Issue #14671 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
15:58 < wumpus> it seems kind of detached from everything so you could just as well add it to anything
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15:59 < sipa> aj: that seems to lack the most useful one :p
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15:59 < sipa> something that you give one or more PSBTs, and one or more descriptors, and it updates/processes/signs everything it knows how to
15:59 < aj> sipa: that needs wallet info?
16:00 < aj> sipa: i mean, could have bitcoin-util usurp bitcoin-wallet too, i guess...
16:01 < sipa> aj: no, no wallet
16:01 < aj> sipa: "signs everything it knows how to" ?
16:01 < sipa> just extract everything from the provided psbt and descriptors
16:01 < sipa> if those are private-key descriptors, it can sign; otherwise it can only update
16:01 < wumpus> bitcoin-wallet is a diagnostic utility, it's not like the monero-wallet which is really a client-side wallet implemetation
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16:05 < wumpus> though 'could have', sure, it could actually do that
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16:07 < aj> sipa: there's no rpc already that does that, right?
16:08 < sipa> aj: indeed
16:08 < sipa> the biggest hurdle is that the internal signing code can't do on-the-fly key derivation
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16:09 < sipa> apart from that it's pretty simple
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16:24 < luke-jr> wumpus: pretty sure wrapper scripts setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH would just work as well as static linking (and Windows/macOS don't even need that0
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