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00:27 < jonasschnelli> what is the reason to extend the fuzzer seeds? Catching more potential issues?
00:30 < sipa> jonasschnelli: that's literally what fuzzing is
00:30 < sipa> finding more seeds
00:30 < sipa> finding more inputs that cover more code, or more potential issues
00:31 < jonasschnelli> I think my understanding of fuzzing is weak... I need to read more about it first
00:31 < jonasschnelli> I always thought its running a random stream against all possible APIs for a very long time
00:32 < sipa> every fuzz target is a function that takes a byte array, and uses it to decide what things to call
00:32 < sipa> some targets just call functions, and don't do anything elae
00:33 < jonasschnelli> okay. I get that.
00:33 < sipa> others have full simulators of what the expected behaviour is going to be and compares with it
00:33 < sipa> fuzzing is finding those input byte arrays, called seeds
00:33 < sipa> it does that by applying random mutations to existing seeds
00:33 < sipa> or trying new things
00:35 < sipa> when people spend CPU time fuzzing, the output is finding more seeds, because it somehow found something that appears either more interesting than all seeds there were before, or because it does the same but with a smaller seed
00:35 < jonasschnelli> so the seeds are actually not a random-stream-seeds that is used for pure fuzzing of a function(or API)? They decide what to call?
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00:35 < sipa> that's right, they are the exact input fed to the fuzz target
00:36 < sipa> our CI infrastructure also runs these seeds as part of the tests, but without trying to generate more
00:36 < jonasschnelli> you wrote "more interesting",.. does the fuzz target track to code paths (or percentage) beeing used?
00:36 < sipa> yes
00:36 < sipa> and more
00:37 < jonasschnelli> I see
00:37 < sipa> it has counters for various things; code blocks, branches, ..
00:37 < sipa> if you run in -use_value_profile mode it counts specific values seen in comparisons too
00:37 < jonasschnelli> so one can say there are "better" and "weaker" seeds?
00:38 < sipa> it"s the combimed corpus that matters
00:38 < sipa> but the goal is ultimately finding a small combined corpus with maximal coverage
00:38 < jonasschnelli> the more counters a seed hits the better,.. but overall, you want all "counter" to be hit by a range of seeds?
00:38 < sipa> right
00:39 < jonasschnelli> thanks. TIL
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00:39 < sipa> it's annoying that you need a separate build/configure foe it
00:39 < sipa> i have a separate worktree for that
00:40 < sipa> it's fun to play with
00:40 < jonasschnelli> Yes. That's the reason why I haven't looked closer into it. :)
00:40 < sipa> just follow doc/fuzzing.md
00:40 < jonasschnelli> will do
00:40 < sipa> we have a test/fuzz/test_runner.py that lets you more easily do larger scale testing 
00:41 < sipa> but just running a fuzzer directly will prpbably be more informative
00:41 < sipa> just compile with --with-sanitizers=fuzzer --enable-fuzz, and run e.g. FUZZ=asmap src/test/fuzz/fuzz
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00:42 < jonasschnelli> ok
00:42 < sipa> it'll test you when it finds new inputs, and some metrics about coverage
00:42 < sipa> you need to specify a dir name to leg it save its seeds
00:43 < sipa> *let
00:44 < sipa> *tell
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03:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/98de9eb1aa84...e669c3156ff8
03:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa957f8 MarcoFalke: test: Add race:SendZmqMessage tsan suppression
03:34 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e669c31 MarcoFalke: Merge #20748: test: Add race:SendZmqMessage tsan suppression
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03:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20748: test: Add race:SendZmqMessage tsan suppression (master...2012-ciSuppZmq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20748
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08:01 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20753: rpc: Allow to ignore specific policy reject reasons (master...2012-policyRpcIgnore) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20753
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09:05 < luke-jr> MarcoFalke: you know #7533 is still maintained, right? could just reopen that..
09:05 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7533 | RPC: sendrawtransaction: Allow the user to ignore/override specific rejections by luke-jr · Pull Request #7533 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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09:20 < MarcoFalke> luke-jr: Sure, happy to repoen
09:20 < MarcoFalke> It was tagged "up for grabs", so I implemented a minimal patch that still achieves a goal
09:21 < MarcoFalke> you can rebase on top of mine, if you want
09:23 < luke-jr> MarcoFalke: at this point, I guess it might be more productive if I just review yours and get that in first
09:25 < luke-jr> just seemed strange to go about it that way *shrug*
09:26 < MarcoFalke> Yeah, I wasn't aware that 7533 is still maintained
09:33 < luke-jr> ah
09:45 < miketwen_> looking for some clarity here.. smartfee estimator is used by default for bitcoin node correct? if you are not synced with the blockchain it will use fallbackfee if enabled. correct? In terms of priority or the decision tree I'm wondering how this relates with paytxfee..  and then I would guess settxfee would be the same logic as paytxfee but replace paytxfee?
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09:51 < jonatack> miketwenty1: right, settxfee overrides (global) -paytxfee setting
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09:53 < jonatack> settxfee is per-wallet
09:53 < miketwenty1> settxfee overrides smartfee estimate?
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09:56 < jonatack> miketwenty1: yes iirc, see: ./src/bitcoin-cli help settxfee
09:57 < miketwenty1> jonatack: there are many flags for targets / fees and such.. has anyone made a diagram or decision tree on what takes priority over what by any chance?
09:57 < miketwenty1> in terms of what fee gets paid for a tx
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10:04 < jonatack> miketwenty1: i agree that it's a bit confusing. if you want to set an explicit fee rate, know that in 0.21 and master it is now possible to pass the fee rate (not absolute fee, but the fee rate) in sat/vB with all of the various send commands (fee_rate param, see the rpc help)
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10:05 < jonatack> miketwenty1: i've noted your suggestion to clarify this somewhere, thanks
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10:34 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] amitiuttarwar opened pull request #20755: [rpc] Remove deprecated fields from getpeerinfo (master...2020-12-getpeerinfo-deprecate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20755
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10:57 < jonatack> miketwenty1: i've begun improving the settxfee help and (new rpc) setfeerate help in #20391 and will look at updating both helps with more info 
10:57 < gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20391 | wallet: introduce setfeerate (an improved settxfee, in sat/vB) by jonatack · Pull Request #20391 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
10:59 < jonatack> and will do the same for estimatesmartfee and the (new rpc) estimatefeerate helps (the new RPCs are in sat/vB)
11:01 < jonatack> and work to make these RPCs more user-friendly and reassuring to use
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11:49 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] amitiuttarwar opened pull request #20756: [doc] Add missing field (permissions) to the getpeerinfo help (master...2020-12-getpeerinfo-permissions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20756
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11:58 < justinmoon> FYI: jonatack's docker-based gitian guide (https://github.com/jonatack/bitcoin-development/blob/master/gitian-building.md) is much easier to follow than the official virtualbox-based docs (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/docs)
12:06 < jonatack> thanks! it's based on fanquake's guide
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12:22 < bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto opened pull request #161: Rework RPCConsole::banSelectedNode function (master...201223-ban) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/161
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12:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #20757: doc: tor.md and -onlynet helpupdate -onlynet help in src/init.cpp (master...tor-md-doc-updates) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20757
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12:23 < jonatack> ^ when github opens the pull before you finished typing the title
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13:25 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ajtowns opened pull request #20758: net-processing refactoring -- lose globals, move implementation details from .h to .cpp (master...202012-netproc-refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20758
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17:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e669c3156ff8...1be6f2dba9b7
17:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 176325a John Newbery: [net processing] Remove dropmessagestest
17:56 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1be6f2d fanquake: Merge #20747: net processing: Remove dropmessagestest
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17:56 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #20747: net processing: Remove dropmessagestest (master...2020-12-dropmessagestest) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20747
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21:29 < fanquake> how the hell would anyone know that the PR that's been closed  for two years & marked "up for grabs" is "still maintained". I certainly wouldn't.
21:33 < sipa> lol
21:34 < aj> fanquake: it's listed on https://bitcoinknots.org/
21:36 < aj> (i assume that list is precisely what luke means by "still maintained" as far as he's concerned)
21:37 < fanquake> aj: heh fair enough. I think those lists need a bit of an update. I can see a bunch of PRs (including mine) that have definitely into master 
21:37 < fanquake> *been merged into
21:44 < aj> fanquake: afaik knots is based on the last released version, presumably it'll get when knots updates to 0.21. dunno if knots does that before or after core does an official release
21:45 < aj> *it'll get updated
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22:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1be6f2dba9b7...cc592a85ea0c
22:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 812baaa Pieter Wuille: Switch to BIP341's suggested scheme for outputs without script
22:58 < bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cc592a8 MarcoFalke: Merge #20189: test: Switch to BIP341's suggested scheme for outputs withou...
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22:58 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20189: test: Switch to BIP341's suggested scheme for outputs without script (master...202010_taproot_std_noscript) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20189
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23:21 < queip> bitcoin startup/shutdown could use more debugging, node just turns off with "tor thread interrupted"... that isn't helpful
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23:22 < bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20759: doc: [test] Remove outdated comment in fuzz runner (master...2012-testDoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20759
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